i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.Heydanbud92
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
they aren't fake they use sources to get their numbers. theres no way to know how much games actually sell, NPD does the exact same thing but they have more sources and track more of the market.
and last time i checked their japanese sales are almost exactly the same as the numbers famitsu and mediacreate put out, so they must be doing something right.
[QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.SmashBrosLegend
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
they aren't fake they use sources to get their numbers. theres no way to know how much games actually sell, NPD does the exact same thing but they have more sources and track more of the market.
and last time i checked their japanese sales are almost exactly the same as the numbers famitsu and mediacreate put out, so they must be doing something right.
---OkeyDokey---
no they aren't, some weeks they are right but others are way off....
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.Heydanbud92
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
Well, let's see it. Show me some NPD LTD numbers for the 360 and compare them to VgChartz.
Ahem. http://www.vgchartz.com/welcome.php. "VG Chartz collects and makes projections", "that is ensuring that the sample sizes used are significant enough to accurately represent the entire markets in which the samples are based", "verifies the accuracy of sell-through data by comparing with manufacturer production and shipment data", "By constantly adjusting sell-through data", "VG Chartz should be seen as a very powerful prediction tool". So they basically take a guess and fix their numbers when the real numbers become available.
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.SmashBrosLegend
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
Well, let's see it. Show me some NPD LTD numbers for the 360 and compare them to VgChartz.
LTD as of the end of Nov. according to NPD: 7.891 Million (you'lle just have to add them up yourself if you don't believe me)
LTD as of the week ending Dec. 1 in NA accroding to VG cartz: 9.149 Million
So VG chartz is over estimating 360 sales in NA by 1.258 Million. That's siginificant.
they aren't fake they use sources to get their numbers. theres no way to know how much games actually sell, NPD does the exact same thing but they have more sources and track more of the market.
and last time i checked their japanese sales are almost exactly the same as the numbers famitsu and mediacreate put out, so they must be doing something right.
---OkeyDokey---
Yeah. People don't understand that it's all relative really, and no particular source is necessarily better than another one. o_x It's all probability and statistics.
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.Heydanbud92
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
Well, let's see it. Show me some NPD LTD numbers for the 360 and compare them to VgChartz.
LTD as of the end of Nov. according to NPD: 7.891 Million (you'lle just have to add them up yourself if you don't believe me)
LTD as of the week ending Dec. 1 in NA accroding to VG cartz: 9.149 Million
So VG chartz is over estimating 360 sales in NA by 1.258 Million. That's siginificant.
Now add in NPD Canada. NPD's main numbers represent the US only. VgChartz represents all of North America. And then take into account that NPD has its own margin of error. They are by far the best source we have, but their numbers aren't exact either.
they aren't fake they use sources to get their numbers. theres no way to know how much games actually sell, NPD does the exact same thing but they have more sources and track more of the market.
and last time i checked their japanese sales are almost exactly the same as the numbers famitsu and mediacreate put out, so they must be doing something right.
wiretoss
Yeah. People don't understand that it's all relative really, and no particular source is necessarily better than another one. o_x It's all probability and statistics.
NPD can be declared "better" based on the fact that they have more data, more sources, more money, and more proven extrapolation methods.
they aren't fake they use sources to get their numbers. theres no way to know how much games actually sell, NPD does the exact same thing but they have more sources and track more of the market.
and last time i checked their japanese sales are almost exactly the same as the numbers famitsu and mediacreate put out, so they must be doing something right.
SmashBrosLegend
Yeah. People don't understand that it's all relative really, and no particular source is necessarily better than another one. o_x It's all probability and statistics.
NPD can be declared "better" based on the fact that they have more data, more sources, more money, and more proven extrapolation methods.
Vgchartz uses estimates yes...but then they change their estimates to real numbers when the real numbers come in. Yes, their estimates are off a lot of the time. But they are also making a lot of adjustments. They are far more accurate now imo then they were a year ago. So, what is the best site to use then?
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.Heydanbud92
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
Well, let's see it. Show me some NPD LTD numbers for the 360 and compare them to VgChartz.
LTD as of the end of Nov. according to NPD: 7.891 Million (you'lle just have to add them up yourself if you don't believe me)
LTD as of the week ending Dec. 1 in NA accroding to VG cartz: 9.149 Million
So VG chartz is over estimating 360 sales in NA by 1.258 Million. That's siginificant.
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.davidwes
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
Well, let's see it. Show me some NPD LTD numbers for the 360 and compare them to VgChartz.
LTD as of the end of Nov. according to NPD: 7.891 Million (you'lle just have to add them up yourself if you don't believe me)
LTD as of the week ending Dec. 1 in NA accroding to VG cartz: 9.149 Million
So VG chartz is over estimating 360 sales in NA by 1.258 Million. That's siginificant.
Did you add NPD Canada?
if someone could show me where to find some NPD canada #s so i can add them up i would admit that i'm wrong.
Their predictions are exactly that.... predictions. However, once NPD releases its data for both the U.S. and Canadian markets, VGchartz adjusts the numbers to remain accurate. Before NPD releases its numbers for the month, VGchartz predicts what the numbers might be and then adjusts the number afterwards.
they aren't fake they use sources to get their numbers. theres no way to know how much games actually sell, NPD does the exact same thing but they have more sources and track more of the market.
and last time i checked their japanese sales are almost exactly the same as the numbers famitsu and mediacreate put out, so they must be doing something right.
---OkeyDokey---
Their numbers are a joke. However, if you pay attention they change their figures when the actual sales figures (ie NPD) come out. Japan has official weekly figures which vgchartz use as far as i'm aware.
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.Heydanbud92
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
Well, let's see it. Show me some NPD LTD numbers for the 360 and compare them to VgChartz.
LTD as of the end of Nov. according to NPD: 7.891 Million (you'lle just have to add them up yourself if you don't believe me)
LTD as of the week ending Dec. 1 in NA accroding to VG cartz: 9.149 Million
So VG chartz is over estimating 360 sales in NA by 1.258 Million. That's siginificant.
LOL, linking a forum post for your NPD numbers is worse then using VGChatrz. Get out of this thread discussion now before you further embarass yourself.
For old consoles the data should be pretty accurate..
For newer it is more uncertain, but their total numbers still shouldn't be very far off.. But their monthly and weekly numbers are very inaccurate and should not be taken very seriously.
[QUOTE="SmashBrosLegend"][QUOTE="Heydanbud92"]i know. their numbers for 360 in NA esspecially are generally way too high.Danthegamingman
While I do agree that they aren't very accurate, if you actually read some articles they'll tell you that last month they tracked the 360 high on purpose to make up for other times when they tracked it low. Also keep in mind when comparing them to NPD that VgChartz tracks North America as a whole, while NPD tracks the US and Canada separately. And to address the topic, the numbers are not fake. They may be inaccurate, but ioi gets real data from real retailers and extrapolates them. They are not usually close to actual numbers, but they are an excellent indicator of general market trends.
I know. Add up the TOTAL of NPDs since launch and subtract that from 360s total # as of november according to VGchartz. it's a couple MILLION off.... That's WAY off.
Well, let's see it. Show me some NPD LTD numbers for the 360 and compare them to VgChartz.
LTD as of the end of Nov. according to NPD: 7.891 Million (you'lle just have to add them up yourself if you don't believe me)
LTD as of the week ending Dec. 1 in NA accroding to VG cartz: 9.149 Million
So VG chartz is over estimating 360 sales in NA by 1.258 Million. That's siginificant.
LOL, linking a forum post for your NPD numbers is worse then using VGChatrz. Get out of this thread discussion now before you further embarass yourself.
they are just the npd numbers all combined on one chart..... go check the numbers... he took them straight from NPD each month and put them in the chart..... wtf?
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