Epic Games opening an online store to compete with Steam

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#51 Posted by Sushiglutton (6978 posts) -

It so gross that Steam (and to be fair the other platforms) have been able to get away with 30%. It's like an online casino. The software is just printing money for you. The online casino competition is fierce because of that. And so the online game store business will be. Think Valve is in a bit of trouble longterm because they will lack interesting exclusives compared to the other platforms.

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#52 Edited by TryIt (12971 posts) -

@Sushiglutton said:

It so gross that Steam (and to be fair the other platforms) have been able to get away with 30%. It's like an online casino. The software is just printing money for you. The online casino competition is fierce because of that. And so the online game store business will be. Think Valve is in a bit of trouble longterm because they will lack interesting exclusives compared to the other platforms.

well the reality is a great many of those games that people are buying and enjoying... publishers have said or would have said no to and those said games never would have been made.

My only complaint about Steam is that the tag system is terrible. Go to 'Simulation' (for example) and you will get anything

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#53 Posted by ProtossRushX (4714 posts) -

I'm moving to epic where the games will be at

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#54 Posted by dzimm (5079 posts) -

@boycie said:

@dzimm: oops... sorry. I forgot where I was. Fortnite sucks! Boo!

I never said it sucks. I just question your assessment that it's better than 95% of what gets published on Steam.

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#55 Posted by deactivated-5c18005f903a1 (4627 posts) -

@dzimm said:
@boycie said:

@dzimm: oops... sorry. I forgot where I was. Fortnite sucks! Boo!

I never said it sucks. I just question your assessment that it's better than 95% of what gets published on Steam.

It was a generalisation to be fair. I just imagine that a very large % of the 100,000 games shat on to steam every week are of questionable quality.

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#56 Posted by R4gn4r0k (29542 posts) -

@ProtossRushX said:

I'm moving to epic where the games will be at

What games ?

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#57 Posted by Jag85 (12408 posts) -

They're obviously trying to build on their success with Fortnite.

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#58 Posted by R4gn4r0k (29542 posts) -

@Sushiglutton said:

It so gross that Steam (and to be fair the other platforms) have been able to get away with 30%. It's like an online casino. The software is just printing money for you. The online casino competition is fierce because of that. And so the online game store business will be. Think Valve is in a bit of trouble longterm because they will lack interesting exclusives compared to the other platforms.

I'm pretty sure console manufacturers(Nintendo, Sony, MS) have been asking 30% as well.

Pretty sure it's been the industry standard since this industry's been around and it's not like 'evil' Valve stepped in and said: Hey, you're gonna give us our 30 now or we break your kneecaps.

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#59 Posted by TryIt (12971 posts) -

@boycie said:
@dzimm said:
@boycie said:

@dzimm: oops... sorry. I forgot where I was. Fortnite sucks! Boo!

I never said it sucks. I just question your assessment that it's better than 95% of what gets published on Steam.

It was a generalisation to be fair. I just imagine that a very large % of the 100,000 games shat on to steam every week are of questionable quality.

here is the math though

7500 games were released in 2015 on Steam.

if only 5% of them are good that is 375 games in ONE YEAR released that are good, and yes I think its fair to say that its at least 5% if not higher.

now is finding those games a pain in the ass? absolutely!!!!!!!!!!!!! so if you are looking for a reason to trash Steam be educated about it and trash their search and tag filters because that is horrible, but the games? oh hell no, its a HUGE boom of greatness for the gaming industry and has been literally life transforming for the better for me since 2013

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#60 Edited by br0kenrabbit (15583 posts) -

I really don't mind the way Ubisoft did it with Farcry: Primal. Yeah, I had to install UPlay, but I bought/launch the game from Steam and Steam launches and logs into Uplay. I just have to remember to close Uplay when I exit the game.

But if I have to manually log into different clients to play different games, screw dat.

Just like what is happening in the TV industry right now, there will be massive consolidations further down the road. A fragmented market is not good for consumers or publishers. It's like different book stores carrying different exclusive series; it makes no damn sense.

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#61 Posted by TryIt (12971 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:

I really don't mind the way Ubisoft did it with Farcry: Primal. Yeah, I had to install UPlay, but I bought/launch the game from Steam and Steam launches and logs into Uplay. I just have to remember to close Uplay when I exit the game.

But if I have to manually log into different clients to play different games, screw dat.

Just like what is happening in the TV industry right now, there will be massive consolidations further down the road. A fragmented market is not good for consumers or publishers. It's like different book stores carrying different exclusive series; it makes no damn sense.

I dont agree that fragmentation is not good for consumers, I think not doing so leads to monopolistic exploitation.

that said I get what you saying about it sometimes being a pain for some games

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#62 Posted by br0kenrabbit (15583 posts) -

@tryit said:

I dont agree that fragmentation is not good for consumers, I think not doing so leads to monopolistic exploitation.

that said I get what you saying about it sometimes being a pain for some games

You don't want a complete monopoly of anything, true. But I think of digital places like Steam more as a format, and how many formats do we need to do the same damn thing?

GOG has the right idea, but then again it's not trying to be a social hub, either.

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#63 Edited by TryIt (12971 posts) -

@br0kenrabbit said:
@tryit said:

I dont agree that fragmentation is not good for consumers, I think not doing so leads to monopolistic exploitation.

that said I get what you saying about it sometimes being a pain for some games

You don't want a complete monopoly of anything, true. But I think of digital places like Steam more as a format, and how many formats do we need to do the same damn thing?

GOG has the right idea, but then again it's not trying to be a social hub, either.

perhaps, its a sliding scale. where that slide is I dont know.

but I do tend to not be in the group of 'having options is bad for consumer' crowd which tend to have a running theme as such.

So maybe I am just nitpicking

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#64 Posted by dxmcat (2467 posts) -

Well since they abandoned UT in favor of fortnite, **** em. I could care less.

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#65 Posted by DaVillain- (33063 posts) -

@boycie said:

@tryit: steam is nothing special anymore.

At least Steam is supporting more JRPG/Animes games and while it may not be special, it' still a major player in the PC community.

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#66 Posted by VFighter (4043 posts) -

@tryit: I knew you couldnt go an entire thread without name dropping cheap crappy games nobody gives a shit about, and bam you didn't disappoint.

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#67 Posted by Icarian (1822 posts) -

@xantufrog said:

@madrocketeer:why would you want a "curated" store? You want others to decide what you can/should buy for you? The good games are still there - and they aren't always what someone else agrees upon, so what counts as "good" isn't really something I want someone else deciding. I get that it means there's more to sift through, but that's how I discover things that aren't mass-marketed out the ass to me but I actually enjoy

That's all well and good until one of those games contains a virus or a crypto miner.

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#68 Edited by xantufrog (10106 posts) -

@Icarian: if that's what you mean by curated then Steam is curated. They do screen for viruses and remove problematic software. There was a recent cryptomining snafu that I'm sure you are referring to but they also implemented additional flags in response to that.

You can get viruses surfing the web and downloading from known sources. You can get a virus from checking your messages on PSN for Christ's sake. It's a scary world out there

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#69 Posted by dzimm (5079 posts) -

There's nothing inherently wrong with a single distribution platform, and a lot of inherent benefits, as long as it's customer focused and doesn't abuse its position to exploit those it does business with.

Every publisher making their own distribution platform makes about as much as sense as selling TVs that can only receive one broadcaster's content.

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#70 Edited by ocinom (956 posts) -

Steam
Origins
Uplay
Battle.net
Bethesda
and now EPIC.

I hope Square Enix, Capcom, Namco Bandai, and Take Two make their own proprietary store.

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#71 Posted by X_CAPCOM_X (8279 posts) -

Why not just continue working on UT?

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#72 Edited by warmblur (1126 posts) -

Agree about competition being good but I'm so damn SICK of these digital stores I got enough with Steam, Origin, Uplay I refuse to install another f uck that.

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#73 Posted by xantufrog (10106 posts) -

@ocinom: at that point it will almost be like PC gaming in the 90s - when you just installed every game separately without a marketplace at all

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#74 Posted by madrocketeer (5896 posts) -

@X_CAPCOM_X:

Business reality.

Or, to be more specific, it doesn't make them as much money.

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#75 Posted by pyro1245 (4276 posts) -

If I were developing a game I would put it on as many platforms and stores as I could.

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#76 Edited by madrocketeer (5896 posts) -

The plot thickens. Sergey Galyonkin, the man behind the Steam statistics tracking website Steam Spy, actually works for Epic in his day job. In fact, as revealed by the tweet below, he's been working on the Epic Games Store for, quote, "the past several years."

As one of the replies said, this makes him a literal Steam spy.

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#77 Edited by mumunaro (101 posts) -

Its very hard to pull gamers from Steam when we have huge backlogs on average.

Enticing studios and publishers are kinda cute but these people will go where the gamers are and we have no reason to add yet another headache of yet another digital store just 2 play our games. Whats our reason to move, Epic?

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#78 Posted by uninspiredcup (29265 posts) -

@mumunaro said:

Its very hard to pull gamers from Steam when we have huge backlogs on average.

Enticing studios and publishers are kinda cute but these people will go where the gamers are and we have no reason to add yet another headache of yet another digital store just 2 play our games. Whats our reason to move?

Yep, The Draw is for Publishers, not consumers.

Offers literally nothing, just another annoying sign up.

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#79 Posted by Fuhrer_D (814 posts) -

This is a play for the children that will become teens, and the teens that will become adults; they're using Fortnite's reach to grow the future.