DX 12 Coming to XBOX One

What are you smoking? Because that sub hd (its not sub hd btw, hd is 720p and up) game you mentioned looks better then every multiplatform ps4 game. This is not a multiplatform war, its a graphical output war. More specifically, what each machine is capable of out-putting. And from that standpoint Ryse looks phenomenal, and a new SDK will only make X1 games look better going forward. Talk to me when one of those multiplatform games looks better then Ryse.

The system is capable, give the developers time to exploit the hardware. Some Dev are further along then others, such as Turn 10 and Crytec. Give it some time. Its been 3 months and conclusions are being drawn about an entire generation.

@ronvalencia: the last four version s of dx required new gpus. Even nvidia gpus has do 11.1 features But wasn't fully compliant with the whole api

All 3 games in development before SDK was released. your dumb to think this is the BEst X1 will do

This means good news for THE ONE

Bad news for the quad.

Simple logic.

Last two PC's DX release doesn't require new GPUs i.e. AMD GCN fully supports DX11.1 and DX11.2.

AMD GCN fully supports DirectX 11.X superset in both API and hardware.

*facepalm*

@kbanna: lol don't get ahead of yourself, Ryse looks good. That's about it. The XOne will never match up to the ps4 visually. Once you get that through your head the better.

I think it would of been completely silly and short cited on MS's part not to build the X1's GPU to be DX12 capable. I think the hardware launched ahead of the software and MS is now playing catch up. No one has done a deep-dive into the X1's gpu yet, and even though its AMD equivalent has been identified , MS made several internal modifications to the GPU and the API set-up in general. Its logical to assume that MS launched the X1 with a fully DX12 compatible GPU, but since it was not available at launch, and they were not ready to talk about it yet, the marketing was surrounding the current DX.11.2 iteration.

Correct me if I'm wrong but both 11.1 and 11.2 are small updates, not exactly a big change. Most of 11.1 were updates for metro apps on 8.

If it doesn't require new hardware then that means there's isn't much there when it comes to new features.

Cows in denial over what this is going to mean for The One.

That secret sauce is starting to heat to a nice simmer.

And Again what PS4 game currently looks as good as Ryse? The only one that comes close is Killzone. So the best looking games this gen so far are on ether system...not one. The sooner you get that through your head the better.

@FoxbatAlpha: Excuse me but grown men are trying to talk here. Dont bring that rubbish around Us

11.1's feature level 11_1 requires 64 UVA slots for all shader stages (vertex/hull/domain/pixel/compute shaders) while feature level 11_0 requires 8 UVA slots for just pixel and compute shaders.

DX11.0 introduces UVA feature i.e. requires 8 UVA slots for just pixel and compute shaders.

UVA = random memory access.

For competitive reasons, NVIDIA would minimise 64 UVA for all shader stages's introduction when compared to DX11.0's 8 slot UVA for pixel and compute shaders. DX11.1 is only "Metro apps" argument LOL.

DX10.1/DX10.X(NVIDIA's DX10.1 like kit-bash) to DX11.0 = 8 UVA slots for pixel and compute shaders.

DX11.0 to DX11.1(feature level 11_1) = 64 UVA slots for vertex, hull domain, pixel and compute shaders. Small update ??? just Metro apps???

IF a game uses 64 UVAs for shader stages, it will gimp on all current NVIDIA hardware. PC games are designed with lowest common denominator i.e. feature level 11_0. X1/PS4 's rapid install base growth would be important to end feature level 11_0 GPUs.

11.2's Tiled Resource Tier 2 requires feature level 11_1 GPU.

@MdBrOtha04: ok. There is more to read here about the all powerful ONE and what DX12 could bring. http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1zu1rt/directx12_confirmed_for_xbox_one/

microsoft is the true software innovator while sony is only can copy and paste

@kbanna: You are correct, current ly there is no clear winner. Unfortunately for you, Infamous releases in a couple weeks and The Order releases this fall. Both games blow anything shown on the X1 so far.

Why is that unfortunate for him? Does it matter if you think a game on your favorite inanimate object looks better than another game on your least favorite inanimate object? Or, perhaps a better question, should it matter to him what you think?

@Stevo_the_gamer: he's saying unfortunately in reference to his current argument, pretty tasteless you're selectively quoting just to take personal shots.

@tyloss: yep, thats what he does. Hes a little special.

Unfortunately for me?......ok. Anyway, again I disagree. I would put the footage we have seen for Quantum Break up against any PS4 game I've seen so far. We will see.

low-level access

@kbanna: lmao, footage? You mean CGI and pre rendered scenes? Ok, cool.

You kinda right, just dont be surprised when Xbox One reaches Avatar quality graphics with DX12. Coming in a few years i guess.

I guess MSoft will let games do the speaking, not specs.

so when the magic sdk fails to transform xbone in the magic supercomputah will lems fallback to "just you wait for teh directx"!!!!? it's like microsoft keeps pumping magic words for lems with no tangible results

Yea kinda like a magical mushroom. Bro if you know what im saying.

@Opus_Rea-333: troll or serious?

Judge yourself.

Not many people believe in God yet i do and wishes more people believed in him.

Well now people might start to get their monies worth. About time. >_>

Oh God. Lems, drop it. PS4 is more powerful, get over it. Nothing will change that

Especially those with a Xbox One. :)))))

Let me get on thing straight......Do you Sony fans think that the X1 will not run the majority of multiplatform games in 1080p at 60fps for the majority of this generaton?? Do you feel that Ryse will be the pinnacle of X1 graphics for the remainder of the Generation,or do you admit that there will be better looking games on the system??

hahahahahaa ok but the truth will never be changed by the thing that created it bro.

Please dont question me, im just human.

kbanna well said. ;)

I'm gonna guess they will say Yes to the first question, and a maybe to the second

I told you all from the beginning that AMD, Intel, NVIDIA, and MS was a partnership with the X1 the Xbox one was designed by ALL partners. I really think the X1 is fully DX12 and going to show why resolution don't matter. But I'm sure they are gonna make DX12 framework for OpenGL so it will help the ps4 also.

Where did you see a "personal shot"?

Developers will be able to store HUGE amounts of data without sacrificing GPU performance. X1 exclusives will have better graphics, WAY more detailed textures, lighting effects, etc. And don't be ignorant PS4 fanboys, X1 games will easily be able to run 1080p 60fps once developers start utilizing Direct X 12.

I find it hilarious and frustrating that people judge the X1's power based on multiplatform games at launch. its ridiculous and stupid. Do you realize that multiplatform games aren't developed with the X1's complex hardware in mind? Look at Tomb Raider, porting that over to X1 obviously won't run as well as PS4 because unlike Sony, Microsoft innovates better than Nintendo ever has. X1 hardware is new and complicated for developers AT THE MOMENT. PS4 is just an updated PS3, nothing new at all.

I Can't wait a couple years from now so they all shut the f**k up, immature kids like to say the word xboners I guess.

I'm guessing this is including "playstation"

I don't... I don't even...

@gamemediator:

This is my second time posting this but it completely shuts down that complexity argument:

PS4 Isn't anything like the ps3. Different gpu and cpu maker. Memory was split. The GPU has 256MB of GDDR3 and the CPU has 256MB of XDRAM. The PS3 had dedicated pixel and vertex shaders.

The PS4 is unified Stream processors like the Xbox One and 360

If anything the 360 and the Xbox One are more alike with the gpu being made by AMD in both generations. Both GPU's have unified shader architecture. Both had unified memory shared by both the cpu and gpu. Both have a pool of very fast memory (EDRAM vs ESRAM) for a frame buffer. I'm pretty sure the xbox 360 EDRAM is faster than ESRAM on the One. Bandwidth however out EDRAM was slower however.

So developers have had almost 10 years to figure out this ES/EDRAM business and they are still having issues with 1080p. There must be something else wrong? Maybe the 384 stream processors that the xbox 1 doesn't have is the culprit.

Microsoft saying those extra stream processors wouldn't help is complete BS. Nvidia release $500+ GPU's with lower core and memory clock speed than a $350 gpu and it still runs circles around that cheaper gpu. Why? More cuda cores/higher memory bandwidth.

PS3 has

1. IBM CELL (PowerPC + 8 SPE "DSP like") linked to 256MB Rambus XDR memory.

2. NVIDIA RSX linked to 256MB GDDR3 memory. GDDR3 was designed by ATI with the collaboration of JEDEC.

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Xbox One's GPU has a faster connection to ESRAM than Xbox 360's GPU connection to EDRAM i.e. 204 GB/s vs 32 GB/s.

Xbox One has 768 stream processors clock at 853Mhz NOT 384 stream processors. X1's 12 CU x 16 = 768 stream processors.

PS; I actually have Radeon HD 8570M in my 13 inch Ultrabook with 364 stream processors.

Where did you get "Microsoft saying those extra stream processors wouldn't help" statement? I recall Microsoft has stated 32 ROPS would not increase performance.

The following TR 2013 benchmark (with ultimate setting) is a R9-290 with 1Ghz core clock (via 290X firmware) speed with 69 GB/s memory bandwidth.

Notice the frame rate is nearly X1's ~30 fps results. For this case, Microsoft's statement on extra stream processors wouldn't help would be correct.

@ronvalencia: 1. Well aware of who made the cpu.

2. Well aware of who made the gpu.

3. Got it from a microsoft technical fellow that posted on neogaf

He basically said they tested the gpu with 14 gcn compute units and found it more beneficial to bump up the clock speed and disabled 2 of the cu's

@ronvalencia: on a scale of 1 to 10, how bad does it bother you knowing the PS4 is more powerful than the XOne?

The way you posed your question(s), your implications were pretty clear.

Major nelson says otherwise a bout the edram banwidth

http://majornelson.com/2005/05/20/xbox-360-vs-ps3-part-4-of-4/

@ronvalencia:

The ps4 current advantage over the one and the gtx 770 memory and core clock speed vs the gtx 780 throws that Microsoft argument out the water.

For those who don't know the 770 stock has a higher clock gpu and memory that runs 1Ghz (with a G) faster than the 780 but the higher cuda cores count/higher memory bandwidth more than makes up for it.

You are creating words between lines with preconceived thought. That is unwise.