Does Xbox Series X even have RTX like the PS5? uh hard to say..

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#1  Edited By sakaiXx
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Its my turn today yahoo.

Apparently The Medium, a timed Xbox exclusive has removed any mention of raytracing on Xbox Series X as per this very biased Xbox website that I now suddenly trust wrote:

The Medium: Ray-Tracing mentions being removed from some Xbox.com pages

An interesting discovery from XboxEra Forum member “Bsigg” has shown that The Medium’s ray-tracing capabilities may now be in doubt.

From the screen shot on the following page, it has now been removed (Link).

However, on the Xbox Series X Game Listing page, Ray-Tracing is still listed as a part of The Medium’s design.

This could of course, just be an error – or perhaps the developers have chosen a new path forward – and one that may no longer be ray-traced.

-BY JON "SIKAMIKANICO" CLARKE Xboxera

Classic Xbox team shooting themselves on the foot, ten times to make sure it works. Not only none of the Xbox showcase features gameplay running on Xbox Series X, they cannot even confirm exclusives even have this basic current gen RTX features. Mark Cerny is god.

Source:-

https://xboxera.com/2020/08/06/the-medium-ray-tracing-mentions-being-removed-from-some-xbox-com-pages/

https://www.xbox.com/en-US/games/the-medium

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#2 rzxv04
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Most likely an error.

I think the Xbox will have better RTX than PS5 due to raw specs. By how much, I'm not exactly sure.

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#3  Edited By BassMan
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Neither console will have RTX as that is only for Nvidia. Don't expect much from ray tracing on next-gen consoles anyway. Real-time RT is still in its infancy. You will see advances on PC throughout the generation, but the consoles will be stuck with the same hardware which will prove inadequate for any serious RT work.

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#4 hardwenzen
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But what kind of RTX will the PS5 have with 9.2tflops?

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#5 sakaiXx
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@hardwenzen said:

But what kind of RTX will the PS5 have with 9.2tflops?

More than The Medium on Xbox Series X ofcourse

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#6 hardwenzen
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@sakaixx said:
@hardwenzen said:

But what kind of RTX will the PS5 have with 9.2tflops?

More than The Medium on Xbox Series X ofcourse

That game looks like Alan Wake from 2008. Not much of a win.

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@BassMan said:

Neither console will have RTX as that is only for Nvidia. Don't expect much from ray tracing on next-gen consoles anyway. Real-time RT is still in its infancy. You will see advances on PC throughout the generation, but the consoles will be stuck with the same hardware which will prove inadequate for any serious RT work.

Wouldn't it be likely for consoles to push more optimizations for RT as devs will focus on them and due to desperation in its weaker stats but will then serve as a multiplier for PC's power?

I guess I'm not really disagreeing with you. I think Nvidia is really going take PC for a ride. RTX cards seem to still be its own category on PC for 2 years now?

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[UPDATE]: Bloober Team have reached out and clarified that the change seen on Xbox.com is a mistake and Ray-Tracing is 100% confirmed for The Medium on Xbox Series X.

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@RpgGamer23q said:

[UPDATE]: Bloober Team have reached out and clarified that the change seen on Xbox.com is a mistake and Ray-Tracing is 100% confirmed for The Medium on Xbox Series X.

There ya go.

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#10  Edited By BassMan
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@rzxv04 said:
@BassMan said:

Neither console will have RTX as that is only for Nvidia. Don't expect much from ray tracing on next-gen consoles anyway. Real-time RT is still in its infancy. You will see advances on PC throughout the generation, but the consoles will be stuck with the same hardware which will prove inadequate for any serious RT work.

Wouldn't it be likely for consoles to push more optimizations for RT as devs will focus on them and due to desperation in its weaker stats but will then serve as a multiplier for PC's power?

I guess I'm not really disagreeing with you. I think Nvidia is really going take PC for a ride. RTX cards seem to still be its own category on PC for 2 years now?

Sure, there are optimizations that can be made, but that still doesn't make up for lack of processing power. Even an RTX 2080 Ti is not very good for ray tracing. Most games only feature one type of implementation (reflections/global illumination/shadows). Rarely do you see multiple implementations because it is so demanding. Also, the amount of rays being calculated is still very low and they apply denoising to make it look somewhat decent. It is still not of a very high quality. We need much more processing power before we start getting to a level of quality that we see with pre-rendered ray tracing.

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#11 Pedro
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@BassMan said:

Sure, there are optimizations that can be made, but that still doesn't make up for lack of processing power. Even an RTX 2080 Ti is not very good for ray tracing. Most games only feature one type of implementation (reflections/global illumination/shadows). Rarely do you see multiple implementations because it is so demanding. Also, the amount of rays being calculated is still very low and they apply denoising to make it look somewhat decent. It is still not of a very high quality. We need much more processing power before we start getting to a level of quality that we see with pre-rendered ray tracing.

You will be surprised how much optimization can make a difference. Consoles are the perfect platform for innovating with regards to performance. A lot of the graphical advancements in gaming were due to limitations and not reliance on brute force. I look forward to rays being multi-purpose instead of single purpose as they are currently used now.

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#12 rzxv04
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@BassMan said:
@rzxv04 said:
@BassMan said:

Neither console will have RTX as that is only for Nvidia. Don't expect much from ray tracing on next-gen consoles anyway. Real-time RT is still in its infancy. You will see advances on PC throughout the generation, but the consoles will be stuck with the same hardware which will prove inadequate for any serious RT work.

Wouldn't it be likely for consoles to push more optimizations for RT as devs will focus on them and due to desperation in its weaker stats but will then serve as a multiplier for PC's power?

I guess I'm not really disagreeing with you. I think Nvidia is really going take PC for a ride. RTX cards seem to still be its own category on PC for 2 years now?

Sure, there are optimizations that can be made, but that still doesn't make up for lack of processing power. Even an RTX 2080 Ti is not very good for ray tracing. Most games only feature one type of implementation (reflections/global illumination/shadows). Rarely do you see multiple implementations because it is so demanding. Also, the amount of rays being calculated is still very low and they apply denoising to make it look somewhat decent. It is still not of a very high quality. We need much more processing power before we start getting to a level of quality that we see with pre-rendered ray tracing.

I see. I wonder if major RT upgrades are gonna be in for mid-gen.

Wouldn't 2080Ti crush all of those RT stuff if it only renders 2-3K native at 30 FPS?

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#13 Bluestars
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The ps5 will never be the better console....power you see!

Faster loading times...yea,but after seeing how bad the ps5 games look is that a good thing?...HaH

Tho the Spider-Man PS4 dlc that PS4 gamers can’t play looks better than anything ps5 related

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#14 Tessellation
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LMAO cows are delusional if a more powerful console "doesn't have" raytracing what makes you think a overclocked 9.2 TFLOPS POS will have it?? 🤣

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#15 rzxv04
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@bluestars said:

The ps5 will never be the better console....power you see!

Faster loading times...yea,but after seeing how bad the ps5 games look is that a good thing?...HaH

Tho the Spider-Man PS4 dlc that PS4 gamers can’t play looks better than anything ps5 related

I think horizon fw trailer has more going for it, more things to see. I've just watched miles trailer, frame by frame and the backgrounds are mostly blurred out.

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Nevermind, op was destroyed and TC ran away.

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#18  Edited By Bluestars
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@rzxv04:

Horizon will look fantastic,just as Hellblade 2 will

Everything else is looking MeH,but halo has a couple of things going for it even if the devs don’t Manage to boost the visuals to fanboys standards.....it’s gameplay and multiplayer

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Series X will always have better ray tracing due to raw CU difference.

I more interested to see the innovation that comes from RT in general due to it being more widely adopted now.

I haven't had many games on PC that took advantage of the 2080 ti fully other than 2 games.......in 2 years

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@BassMan said:

Neither console will have RTX as that is only for Nvidia. Don't expect much from ray tracing on next-gen consoles anyway. Real-time RT is still in its infancy. You will see advances on PC throughout the generation, but the consoles will be stuck with the same hardware which will prove inadequate for any serious RT work.

Completely agree.

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#21 Mesome713
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Xbox will have better raytracing, it's way more powerful.

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#22 tormentos
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@hardwenzen said:

But what kind of RTX will the PS5 have with 9.2tflops?

Lets see Spiderman has RT and is a launch game which lemmings claims is a PS4 game,and Halo Infinite doesn't have RT has 5 years in the making and lemmings claims it build from ground up for series X.

I say allot more than the series X as of now.🤣🤣🤣

@bluestars said:

The ps5 will never be the better console....power you see!

Faster loading times...yea,but after seeing how bad the ps5 games look is that a good thing?...HaH

Tho the Spider-Man PS4 dlc that PS4 gamers can’t play looks better than anything ps5 related

Spiderman >>>>>>>>>>>> Halo graphically speaking.

And to ad insult Spiderman has ray tracing Halo doesn't.

Hell i dare say Halo is the ugliest next gen game i have seen so far,considering 500 millions were pump into it and 5 years i can't even begin to understand how in hell that happen.

Like Phil Collings say in one of its song something happen on a way to heaven.😂

Nothing i have see on series X look better than Horizon 2.

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Whoopsy. Yet another backfiring thread by the SDF. 😅

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Poor thread. We hardly knew ya. 😅

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@sakaixx: Hahaha you failed big time like most of the fanboys on here!

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#26 hardwenzen
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@tormentos: How does one even bothers with rtx features on a 9.2tflops system when the company that has made it pushes it to be a 4k machine? At the end of the day you will have a failed 4k (dynamic 4k) and barely any RT. Power of the PS5 😅

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Isn't this game already 30fps on XSX? Looks like it's running at medium settings either way.

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#28 rzxv04
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@bluestars said:

@rzxv04:

Horizon will look fantastic,just as Hellblade 2 will

Everything else is looking MeH,but halo has a couple of things going for it even if the devs don’t Manage to boost the visuals to fanboys standards.....it’s gameplay and multiplayer

I'm game with halo even if it would look like a ps2 game (which it won't). It's just relaxing to shoot funny looking aliens with cartoony voices. I hope it has online co-op.

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So the PS5 is not only faster than XSX but more powerful too. The hits just keep coming for Xbox.

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Lmao... OP nowhere to be seen. What a surprise!!!

Cows have seriously lost the plot.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: delusional much? ps5 graphics wont touch xbox series x, an ssd cannnot save it no matter how much epicgames trys to brainwash you.

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@NathanDrakeSwag: what on earth are you taking about

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@NathanDrakeSwag: more like the fake news keeps on coming

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

So the PS5 is not only faster than XSX but more powerful too. The hits just keep coming for Xbox.

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#35 Tessellation
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@NathanDrakeSwag: yeah in some alternated reality , but in reality ps5 still a weak POS of 9.2 TFLOPS overclocked

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@hardwenzen said:

@tormentos: How does one even bothers with rtx features on a 9.2tflops system when the company that has made it pushes it to be a 4k machine? At the end of the day you will have a failed 4k (dynamic 4k) and barely any RT. Power of the PS5 😅

Don't know ask Insomniac they were able to get it running on PS5 on spiderman,while 343 with $500 millions pump into halo haven't been able to.

Don't know maybe but then again everything show so far has been 4k,but is not like the series X will not go there,i mean the same was say about the pro and xbox one X and we already know the xbox one X also had to run many games at dynamic or lower resolution than 4k.

@filthyn00b said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: delusional much? ps5 graphics wont touch xbox series x, an ssd cannnot save it no matter how much epicgames trys to brainwash you.

There are PS4 games that look better than this shit.

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#37 tormentos
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@xantufrog said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: what on earth are you taking about

He is probably just trolling lemms.😂

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#38 rzxv04
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I'm pretty sure it was a joke post just to add system wars flava here.

"My turn today.."

"..could just be an error.."

"..Cerny is god."

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@tormentos said:
@hardwenzen said:

@tormentos: How does one even bothers with rtx features on a 9.2tflops system when the company that has made it pushes it to be a 4k machine? At the end of the day you will have a failed 4k (dynamic 4k) and barely any RT. Power of the PS5 😅

Don't know ask Insomniac they were able to get it running on PS5 on spiderman,while 343 with $500 millions pump into halo haven't been able to.

Don't know maybe but then again everything show so far has been 4k,but is not like the series X will not go there,i mean the same was say about the pro and xbox one X and we already know the xbox one X also had to run many games at dynamic or lower resolution than 4k.

@filthyn00b said:

@NathanDrakeSwag: delusional much? ps5 graphics wont touch xbox series x, an ssd cannnot save it no matter how much epicgames trys to brainwash you.

There are PS4 games that look better than this shit.

I don't get it, why do you post Infinite pics when quoting me? Am i supposed to be triggered about a game that i have been carpet bombing since the Xbox event? Like what are you doing lol

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#40 tormentos
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@hardwenzen said:

I don't get it, why do you post Infinite pics when quoting me? Am i supposed to be triggered about a game that i have been carpet bombing since the Xbox event? Like what are you doing lol

The picture i posted there has nothing to do with you,look below who's post the screen is.

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#41 hardwenzen
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@tormentos said:
@hardwenzen said:

I don't get it, why do you post Infinite pics when quoting me? Am i supposed to be triggered about a game that i have been carpet bombing since the Xbox event? Like what are you doing lol

The picture i posted there has nothing to do with you,look below who's post the screen is.

I noticed, but lets not pretend you haven't quoted me with Infinite pics or try to do some kind of ownage with infinite related posts. I am the one bashing it you scrub.

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#42 Pedro
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

So the PS5 is not only faster than XSX but more powerful too. The hits just keep coming for Xbox.

You are so right. Please share this sentiment as often as you can, Microsoft fannies are being fed lies. 😎

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#43 firedrakes
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i can see pr for team green work..... its a new tech...... ahaha