Does RTS have best story?

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#1  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Does the pc have the best stories and story telling with RTS games like Homeworld, Warcraft 3 and Starcraft?

And should these titles get credited well above console titles such as Metal Gear solid and UnchartedLastOfUS?


It seems with these classics for people who remember, it's difficult to be impressed.

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#2  Edited By PraetorianMan
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Whatever the answer is, it sure isn't Company of Heroes 2...

That was one of the relatively few examples where I felt like the stupid narrative by itself torpedoed the entire game.

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Neil Druckmann is a God.

His writing is unmatched.

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#4  Edited By PrincessGomez92
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Final Fantasy XIII is unmatched in story goodness.

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#5  Edited By RoccoHout
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From what I've seen, no. In fact they have the most cheesiest stories of all genres imo. I kinda like the whole Tiberium story from the Command & Conquer games though

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#6  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@RoccoHout said:

From what I've seen, no. In fact they have the most cheesiest stories of all genres imo. I kinda like the whole Tiberium story from the Command & Conquer games though

Cheesy does not equal bad story my friend. that's tone.

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#7  Edited By Spartan070
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I don't think so, then again it's merely my opinion.

Also how did you manage to bring up a PC vs Console debate it what was presented as a genre debate?

dat bait

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#8  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@PraetorianMan said:

Whatever the answer is, it sure isn't Company of Heroes 2...

That was one of the relatively few examples where I felt like the stupid narrative by itself torpedoed the entire game.

Agreed. The original Company Of Heroes (7 years ago) featured stunning in engine cinematisc. Only to be replaced around 7 years later with FMV''s that looked like they came from the PS1 era and DLC spamming that amounted to well over $200. Truly a disgrace.

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#9  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@Spartan070 said:

I don't think so, then again it's merely my opinion.

Also how did you manage to bring up a PC vs Console debate it what was presented as a genre debate?

dat bait

A genre debate is a debate of genre. Warcraft and Homeworld do not exist on consoles. These are pc titles that pushed the envelope.

For example, Warcraft III tells (a) story from multiple perspectives. Including (but not limited too) the character you are playing changing to the enemy you are playing against, the villain. Truly an incredible use of the interactive nature video games provide.

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Other than StarCraft, I have never been particularly impressed with the story of RTSs, and even StarCraft's wasn't all that great to me, although decent.

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#11 padaporra
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Nope.

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Dawn of war 2 had a pretty cool story.

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@princessgomez92 said:

Final Fantasy XIII is unmatched in story goodness.

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#14  Edited By Lulu_Lulu
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If you mean by Plot... Who cares.

If you mean by Narration and Presentation Then if its anything like Black & White... Then you're really on to Something !

But if its just more passive storytelling Methods then its no better than MGS Uncharted, or The Last Of Us.

Its Funny that you referrenced Sony Exclusives.

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#15  Edited By IgGy621985
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I don't really care that much about the plot in the RTS games. Also, Warcraft and LotR are not that different, so it's obvious Blizzard was influenced by Tolkien's books.

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#16 Cloud_imperium
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Best storylines are usually found in RPGs and Adventure games . However Starcraft storyline is pretty epic , same goes for other RTS games you mentioned . While Storytelling in games like TLOU and Uncharted is amazing , the plot itself is nothing new and have been done several times before . As for MGS , more doesn't mean better . So my answer is Yes , these games deserve more attention when it comes to story .

That's just my opinion . (Can't wait for Homeworld HD )

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#17 Lulu_Lulu
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@ Cloud_imperium

The StoryTelling in Uncharted and TLOU is nothing special either.

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#18  Edited By R4gn4r0k
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@freedomfreak said:

Neil Druckmann is a God.

His writing is unmatched.

Nah, Sam Lake is the best video game writer.

Neil Druckmann can't even write his own name compared to Sam Lake

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#19 deactivated-57ad0e5285d73
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absolutely not. Warcraft 3 has a good story? lol. Starcraft.........has a good story? lol.

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LOL love the comedy thread. Very humorous.

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#21 Lulu_Lulu
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@ R4gn4r0k + freedomfreak

Both Neil Druckman and Same Lake are writing gods.

But what good is passive storytelling methods (no matter how well written) in an Interactive Medium ?

David Cage is a Writing Peasant.... But when it comes to interactive stories he's leaps and Bounds ahead of Druckman and Lake..... He's also extremely pretentious.

Embrace the Cage ! :p

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#22 freedomfreak  Online
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@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ R4gn4r0k + freedomfreak

Both Neil Druckman and Same Lake are writing gods.

But what good is passive storytelling methods (no matter how well written) in an Interactive Medium ?

David Cage is a Writing Peasant.... But when it comes to interactive stories he's leaps and Bounds ahead of Druckman and Lake..... He's also extremely pretentious.

Embrace the Cage ! :p

I like cutscenes a lot more than whatever Mr. Cage pulls with his games.

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@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ Cloud_imperium

The StoryTelling in Uncharted and TLOU is nothing special either.

May be , but is good not bad .

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#25  Edited By speedfreak48t5p
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@freedomfreak said:
@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ R4gn4r0k + freedomfreak

Both Neil Druckman and Same Lake are writing gods.

But what good is passive storytelling methods (no matter how well written) in an Interactive Medium ?

David Cage is a Writing Peasant.... But when it comes to interactive stories he's leaps and Bounds ahead of Druckman and Lake..... He's also extremely pretentious.

Embrace the Cage ! :p

I like cutscenes a lot more than whatever Mr. Cage pulls with his games.

Preach!

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#26 Gamerno66666
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RTS have stories?

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#27 Lulu_Lulu
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@ freedomfreak

Then Watch a movie ! :p they're better at that.

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Can I get an "Amen" ?

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#28 Lulu_Lulu
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@ Cloud_imperium

Its not that Simple. Theres also relevent and irrelvant to consider

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@Lulu_Lulu said:

Then Watch a movie ! :p they're better at that.

That's some stupid-ass reasoning, man. C'mon.

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GG.. don't you herm beggars have some PC games to play?

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#31 Lulu_Lulu
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What so stupid about wanting less passivity in an interactive medium ?

How about you "C'mon" instead.

I mean, you wouldn't want words in your photography.... Thats what books are for. Same goes for video games and non-interactive cutscenes.

I understand if people don't like my reasoning but you have to atleast consider its validity.

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#32  Edited By deactivated-5f19d4c9d7318
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I don't like the story/campaign modes very often in any strategy games, it's more fun to make your own story by just going into a randomly generated SP or even multiplayer game like in Civ 5.

I've got many a great story from battling with Ghandi in Civ. Fucking hate that guy.

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@Lulu_Lulu said:

What so stupid about wanting less passivity in an interactive medium ?

How about you "C'mon" instead.

I mean, you wouldn't want words in your photography.... Thats what books are for. Same goes for video games and non-interactive cutscenes.

I understand if people don't like my reasoning but you have to atleast consider its validity.

No, it's stupid you telling me to watch a movie because I like cutscenes in video games.

I've considered its validity with games like Heavy Rain and the likes, and I don't find holding down 3 buttons at the same time a better way of telling a story.

And please, stop with all the analogies. You're really over-simplifying things here and looking at it from a very narrow perspective.

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#34 PrincessGomez92
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Only a casual would like cutscenes.

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#35  Edited By Gue1
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@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ Cloud_imperium

The StoryTelling in Uncharted and TLOU is nothing special either.

why not? Can you mention one game that integrates gameplay and story in the way these 2 do it? Because the hundreds of awards they have gotten like half of them are for story-telling you know. And some of those awards include: Annual Writers Guild of America and Game Developers Choice.

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Nope, visual novels

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#37  Edited By Gue1
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@freedomfreak said:
@Lulu_Lulu said:

What so stupid about wanting less passivity in an interactive medium ?

How about you "C'mon" instead.

I mean, you wouldn't want words in your photography.... Thats what books are for. Same goes for video games and non-interactive cutscenes.

I understand if people don't like my reasoning but you have to atleast consider its validity.

No, it's stupid you telling me to watch a movie because I like cutscenes in video games.

I've considered its validity with games like Heavy Rain and the likes, and I don't find holding down 3 buttons at the same time a better way of telling a story.

And please, stop with all the analogies. You're really over-simplifying things here and looking at it from a very narrow perspective.

you don't find it because Heavy Rain was about choices that changed the narrative and outcome, not about pressing buttons. -__-

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#38  Edited By freedomfreak  Online
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@Gue1 said:

you don't find it because Heavy Rain was about choices that changed the narrative and outcome, not about pressing buttons. -__-

Which is still told through cutscenes. The only difference is when, and how you press buttons.

Big whoop.

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#39  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Sort of suspected the thread would be invaded by younger people on console, particularly PS3 ranting about movie games with fake media awards. It's nice to see one or two real gamers though. Indeed, Homeworld HD will bring home the bacon.

Guys, open up your horizons abit. Back in the day (the best days) the story was around the gameplay, not the other way around. Pick up Warcraft III on Blizzardgods,net and see the masters in action.

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#40 AdobeArtist  Moderator
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I'm pretty sure most people don't play RTS for the story. Most RPGs have far better story that's driven by plot and character development than found in any RTS.

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#41  Edited By clyde46
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@Gue1 said:

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@ Cloud_imperium

The StoryTelling in Uncharted and TLOU is nothing special either.

why not? Can you mention one game that integrates gameplay and story in the way these 2 do it? Because the hundreds of awards they have gotten like half of them are for story-telling you know. And some of those awards include: Annual Writers Guild of America and Game Developers Choice.

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I agree that Uncharted had a sucky story but TLOU? Lol no, I had a blast playing that and the story was the icing on the cake.

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#43 uninspiredcup
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@AdobeArtist said:

I'm pretty sure most people don't play RTS for the story. Most RPGs have far better story that's driven by plot and character development than found in any RTS.

My friend and fourth favorite moderator, this is a good point you bring up as well, Warcraft should also get credit for injecting epic story telling in an MMORPG via phasing. Clearly, due to the nature of the game, a much, much harder endeavor than something like Naughty Dogs 6 hours highly scripted titles or David Cage's

On those two fronts, both Warcraft III and World Of The Warcraft, great achievements for the industry, great achievements.

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#44  Edited By AdobeArtist  Moderator
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@uninspiredcup: Only fourth favorite? ;) :P

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Starcraft's story is overrated.

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#47 Lulu_Lulu
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@ freedomfreak

Stories by nature are passive experiences. Thats why they are much better in mediums that require nothing more than your eyes and ears.

If developers want to integrate stories into the gameplay then at the very least it shouldn't get in the way of it being a game.... That means No Cutscenes ! Unless they use things like Picure in Picture Methods. Or just Voice Overs, like Portal and Bioshock.

How ever thats not the best use of the medium. How can one interact with Stories... I don't really know... But Cage is closer to figuring that out than Neil Druckman is.

Oh I almost forgot, your three button argument is a valid one but you sorta overlooked that thats a technical fault, he did it that way because thats about as far as the current technology can get us to intuitive interaction that aren't Shooting, Jumping, or Fighting. Because... You know... A story consists of more than that.... Which TLOU just couldn't do Interactively.

And last but not least... i know my Analogies suck.... What does that say about your argument: "I like cutscenes therefore they are part of video games" ? Well ?

@ Gue1

Alot of Games impliment Story telling the way TLOU does. Infact I'd reckon that Uncharted has a thousand just like it. But let me be clear that I'm not talking about quality... I'm talking about execution/implimentation and Relevance.

Did any of those two get an award for how well they made use for the medium... Is there even a category for such an achievement ?

@ clyde46

They didn't have sucky stories... Hell they didn't have sucky narratives, they make great youtube movies :p. But as for the stories relevance to the gameplay... Thats where the issue lies.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

@freedomfreak said:

Neil Druckmann is a God.

His writing is unmatched.

Nah, Sam Lake is the best video game writer.

Neil Druckmann can't even write his own name compared to Sam Lake

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#49  Edited By lamprey263
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no, but I don't play RTSs for the story

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#50 Lulu_Lulu
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I'm surprized nobody here has mentioned "Ludonarrative Dissonance" yet.

So let me do the honours.

Ludonarrative Dissonance (LND) is The Conflict Between a games narrative and its gameplay. Like Bioshock.... Watchout for spoilers when looking this up.

Ludonarrative Resonance (LNR), although less common, is the implied opposite and people familiar with dissonance are familiar with resonance. Its the games narrative resonating properly with the gameplay.

Little did you know theres two more concepts of Ludonarratives that occur frequently but aren't as popularly known.

LudoNarrative "Ignorance" (Its real, Google It !) and Lulu's very own Ludonarrative "Coincidence" :D ! Thats right I made up a phenomonon.... YAY 4 ME :) !

Anyway... Ludonarrative Ignorance is like LND on steroids. The gameplay doesn't just conflict with the narrative (and vice versa) it flatout denys its existence.... The Narrative does one thing and The Gameplay does its own thing. Kinda like Final Fantasy XIII. The gameplay and Story don't acknowledge each others existance, infact I'm pretty sure they were made seperately by two different teams.

Lulu's Ludonarrative Coincidence is a weird mutation of LNR, It occurs when a narrative doesn't so much resonate with gameplay as much as it is just amusing or bending beyond its nature for it. Kind of Like Uncharted or Tomb Raider, The Story and Gameplay are not in conflict.... But they don't quite resonate. Instead the story bends and twists to accommodate why an Explorer is constantly getting shot at by hundreds of hostile enemies.

Or President Evil and its virus that disentigrates to explain why the dead boddies disappear. Or The Last Of Us.... I can't think of something right now... Come again tommorrow, I'l have a fesh pack of critism by then.

So in essence its basically a highly unlikely yet still logical situation for gameplay's sake. Even by video game logic.