Do you want a $400 underpowered pos or a proper next gen console for $550?

Been hearing a lot of people bitchin' about next gen prices very likely going over $449.99, which i really don't get. Do you really want a $400 console when we know for a fact it simply cannot be very powerful at that price range? Do we really need another ps4/xbone, and how underpowered they were from day one? This gen, just like last gen, been around for way too long. Waiting for next gen to arrive, upgrade, and still suffer the same sub 25fps "cinematic experience" in 80% of games is not okay. And the "i don't care because PS5 will have great games" does not apply, because those same great games could be a miles better when running in a stable 60fps with high/ultra settings.

So, do you want something as cheap as possible, or something as next gen as possible, which, obviously, will come at a higher price.

I don't think it really matters. Hardware agnostic gaming is the future of gaming so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

@hardwenzen: Are you under the impression that $150 gets you from sub 30fps to 60fps high/ultra at 4k?

The thing is, if they drop in a 5700xt, and a ryzen they could run every game on 60 fps 1080p without efforts with new effects etc.

However what do they do? they again push further with 4k / raytracing etc which will nuke the performance down again towards 30 fps.

That's your issue. Faster hardware isn't going to solve anything. Because honestly what's in the PS5 rumored is already fast even at 9 tflops.

To get from 30 > 60 u need twice the performance. That will take a while before those gpu's hit the market on AMD side. could very well take 4 years could be already next year on the a market who knows with them atm.

But if that box is a base model again, they will just drop the 4k and go 8k and still sit at 30 fps. as example.

They should make pro or enthousiast products that are priced higher but give you a more quality experience with higher FPS whenever that's possible. they did a good job this generation with it. And with this generation they should be able to upgrade stuff more easier if they are not going to slam a code to the metal slogan on there games again and actually get it to run on a layer of software.

While I’m not necessarily opposed to paying more for a console I have also played many great games and have had a lot of fun with the Xbox One and Switch and some people have called those systems an “underpowered pos”. 🤷‍♂️

At the end of the day I just want a fun system with games I find enjoyable sold for a price that I find reasonable for what I get out of it.

I’ll always pay premium for more power. More power allows for better games.

A 2080ti doesn't get you that in every game, so of course not. But if they allow 1440p, i don't see why it wouldn't be possible to get 60fps in most everything, at least for the first few years. Also, if the system is sold for $550, and sony/ms is losing money per console sold because the systems are actually worth more than the selling price, then there's a chance to have a decent amount of 60fps/4k titles that aren't running on Medium or Low.

It's difficult to see anything to get excited about thus far.

Stick to PC.

I don't mind a $500 price tag but that's my top out.

Limitations can be a positive thing.

https://www.inc.com/thomas-oppong/for-a-more-creative-brain-embrace-constraints.html

Would extra computational power really only just be a $150 price increase? Granted, the next-gen consoles are reported to be 3.5 GHz octa-core CPUs, so the chances of the video card being bottlenecked would be pretty low.

Personally, I'm wanting to hear more about the specifics of the PS5/XSX's hardware, as I intend to shop around these specs.

That would be okay if they were pushing past PC but they aren't.

Got a PC, don't need whatever Sony or MS is doing. Whatever it'll be, it'll be an underpowered pos compared to PC.

Nintendo can stay underpowered. It seems to work vetter for them.

Couldn't agree more. I want that next gen experience, so I'll definitely be spending a bit more and buy a 3070/3080 or wait for the generation after that

Don't care, waiting for 4900X CPU instead. Finally ditched X299, now that was a POS.

People in general aren't willing to pay more than 400 for a toy. And that's what it would be, it doesn't matter if it's more powerful than a PC at that price. That was always a false equivalency console gamers told themselves. Consoles are closed and locked down. Because of that, I and others are okay paying twice as much for a PC that let's me do what I want, I wouldn't pay a lot for a PC if it was locked to gaming and movies. Same with a smartphone, it's like a PC communications device in your pocket, so people are okay with paying more.

I'm not trying to take a dump on consoles, but you need to understand why in general people will pay more for other items, yet not a console. Traditionally 400 has always been the limit of what people will pay for a console.

My opinion is that if gamers were ready to pay 400$ for a console 15 years ago it's against their own interests to demand the same price point today.

@hardwenzen: I want an $800 console.

@phbz: 15 years ago, my entry level job paid £36,000 - Now the same job pays £57,000

Increase of 58%. the PS3 cost $600 at launch and the X360 cost $400.

that's $632 for the X360 and $948 for the PS3. I wouldn't mind a $1000 PS5. if the vast majority of that money goes toward a majorly discounted RTX 3080 TI

@Mozelleple112: I think 1000 would be a mistake like 600 was. But that's my point, 400 while demanding for powerful hardware it's ridiculous.

If there are quality launch titles, and the system is trully powerful (lets say 13.5tf as an example) i don't think that $600 price tag would be anywhere near as big of a deal as it was in 2006. Just look at RTX gpu's. Everyone bitched about them for the first two weeks, now everyone has accepted its price tag and its the norm. And that's just a gpu, they don't offer quality exclusives and the rtx feature isn't even a thing as of yet. A quality console with good games would offer so much more for that $600 price tag. But they need quality games, and most importantly, games that justify that juicy $600 price tag.

@hardwenzen: I agree, 600 for next gen it's fine for me. Games will come if the hardware is there, not very concerned about that aspect.

Console developers need to stop chasing 4K, stick to 1080p/60fps and there is nothing wrong with 1080p either. Going for 4K on a console is what's the problem in today's console gaming. Give the gamer good/fun games to play on it and be happy for what you have. 1440p on console, sure but nothings wrong with 1080p which is easy to achieve maintaining 60fps.

Every console gamer knows if they want to go beyond 1440p, they can always switch to PC. Like @uninspiredcup said, no point in worry about next-gen consoles until they are officially release and I'm not even interested in next-gen consoles since I have a high-end PC.

$150 isn’t enough to make That big of a difference. But then again, console gamers act like $60 Is a fortune. Console gamers have such a skewed perception of money and value.

I don't know. Last black friday i've finally upgraded from 1080p/60hz to 14400/144hz and i really do not want to go back to 1080p. Give me 1440p/60fps and i'll gladly pay $600 (but only if the console is actually powerful. 2k/60fps with Medium/High settings ain't gonna cut it for $600). If my overclocked 1070 9600k can handle 2k, i don't see why next gen wouldn't be able to (again, if they're actually powerful and not another ps4 2.0 and xbone 2.0).

$150 is not enough, but will make a difference. Plus, if MS/Sony loses, say, an additional $100 per console sold(i believe that was the case with the 360 at launch), it should make a big difference compared to the $400 price tag.

Somebody in these forums said its possible to have more power at less cost so your missing an option :)

I paid more for the X so have no problem paying more for better. Unfortunately the amount of times I play games these days does put a limit that takes me away from expensive super PC setup. So the best console I can get i'll pay for

I pay $550+ regardless because I live in Canada lol. It doesn’t matter to me.

PS2 $549

PS3 $659(for 60GB...I ain’t buying the 20GB)

PS4 $399-$449

The PS4 was actually the cheapest so far for us.

I don’t care what the PS5 costs. It’s mine at launch.

I just want a console that doesn't stutter and provides decent visuals that aren't gimmicky. Raytraced reflections sound great and all but if that means taking a game from 60fps to 30 then I say scrap it. Or let us toggle it.

They can be (the film Jaws is a prime example) so I see the argument, but more power is really only a net gain for developers, and if an abundance of it detrimentally affects their creative visions, I'd argue they really weren't all that great to begin with. Nintendo's games wouldn't suddenly become less ingenuous and resourceful if they had some more silicon to bolster their creativity.

Plus you then have technical aspects removed from that; things like smoother framerates to which that argument doesn't really apply. Things like better framerates are always better. Always.

$500 has been my limit...but VR has kinda changed that. I'm willing to pay more if it means having enough power for high-end VR.

I'd have to see if it's worth it beyond the power argument, but I already pay more for performance, so I likely would.

I am hoping Sony and MS go overkill on a pricing war, in such a scenario, maybe we can have beastly consoles cheaper than we think.

I'm basically fine with current gen graphics. Pop in (mostly in open world games) is my main problem. Just wish I could trade 4k for higher frame rates.

If it's something I really want then I have no price limit. That's probably why I own a Vive, Oculus and a Pimax 5k but consoles have not interested me very much since the Dreamcast/PS2 days.

MS may do this because they have no exclusives to offer. If their system is noticeably better specs wise, at least there would be a reason for people to get it over the ps5 IF they dont already own a pc. I don't see Sony doing it. They will hype their SSD like it was all we ever wanted in a next gen system.

Doesn't matter.

If they keep pushing this 4K BS we're gonna be stuck with crappy performance on consoles again regardless.

At least we'll have SSDs so's the menus wont lag... hopefully......

@hardwenzen:

Yes the "I don't care because the ps5 will have great games" does apply. What good is a powerhouse console if there's no games that will properly utilize it's power, or if a games does look fantastic but plays poorly? At the end of the day, a polished turd is still just a turd.

That is not true. The best games of every generation are third party. If you're able to play, say, ultra settings in a stable 60fps vs medium/high with drops of frames to low 40's, the Xbox version of the game will be significantly better. There's also MS exclusives that you will be missing out, especially the next Obsidian titles. Of course this does not apply if you own a pc, but there's too many plebs without one, so it is a great option for them.

You have a point, but exclusives tend to efficiently utilize the consoles strength, and give the console a bit of distinction. More games will never hurt, especially if said games are blockbuster titles that can effectively compete with the multiplats. I love a powerhouse console, but if I had to chose, I'll choose the "more games" option. Especially if the power differences are going to be "negligible" at best.

It seems to me that you're expecting the next Xbox x to be a generation ahead of the ps5 in terms of capabilities. If the differences are that huge, then that might make my next gen choice that much harder, but if not, then my (initial) choice will be the ps5, easy.

Not expecting it to be a gen ahead of the ps5, but i do expect it to be noticeably more powerful (a bigger difference than xbone vs ps4). If that's not the case, on what will MS compete against the ps5 with? They know they're not getting more/better exclusives Sony has. I also think that they liked the "we have the most powerful console" with their XboneX. Because of the X, at least Xbone as a whole is not completely dead and forgotten. Imagine if the XboneX was less powerful than the Pro. You have an inferior upgrade from the original console which was already inferior to the original ps4, and you have no games to compete. That is dead on arrival. Instead, because they have the most powerful system with games like RDR2 running the best on, the system stayed relevant even tho they have no exclusives.

I also feel like Sony is gonna drop the ball next gen. Them constantly talking about their SSD instead of how powerful and improved their new system is, is the main reason. I can already see their March conference being 50% focused just on that fucking ssd and how fast next gen loading screens are. Like who cares? Current gen loading screens are from 20 years ago. Anything is an improvement to those mediocre loadings. I want to see next gen ai that does more than rush at you firing. I want to see next gen destruction that is impossible on current gen. Visuals that are far ahead of what we currently have on consoles while also running in 60fps. That would be next gen worthy. Not waiting 1.5sec loading screen to then play in some clusterfucky 26fps with tearing, poor AA (FXAA lol), x2 AF (again...), and all the garbage we got this gen. Just tired of it.

That ship sailed the moment consoles started using standard PC hardware.

Yep. And nobody is gonna tell me that an awesome game like GoW isn't at least a bit ruined by the fact that its running in 30fps. That game in a fixed 60 with a bit more FoV would've been incredible.

6 bills or bust. :P

If you care about performance, build a PC.

I want them to come out with 2 or 3 models. The shit version for people that care deeply for buying the cheapest thing and one for enthusiasts, with full BC, much better hardware and a huge SSD. I don't care if it's 1000+. They can also have an in-between-system as well

Truth is, the PC I build over 2 years ago is stronger than the next xBox will be and that's just sad.

Of course I would prefer exclsuives to exist so i'm not "forced" to buy some outdated hardware to play games I find interessting. But if you force me to get one of your toys, at least offer me a version that is somewhat decent ...

I would rather just stick with the current gen, honestly. I'm not going to see noticeable improvement with a jump to 4k without also upgrading my tv, anyway. Current gen graphics look really good. I don't need more.

Haha I'm hearing this argument since the Ps2 xD

Yeah, but it's actually true today. The jump from last gen to this gen really wasn't that noticeable. I don't have any issues whatsoever going back to a PS3 or Xbox 360 game the way I would have other gens. I expect the jump next gen to be even smaller. Really, unless a console wants to go all in on something like VR, which would be cost prohibitive, I just don't see the point.

Graphics aren't the only part of gaming. Current gen is plagued with abysmal performance, and you're fine with current gen?