Do you consider PC a 'Microsoft' platform?

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#1 Starshine_M2A2
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Curious as Steam, Epic, Origin ect are generally considered platforms in themselves - "coming to Steam" for example - but still sit on Microsoft's OS.

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#2 Pedro
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Windows is a Microsoft platform but it is not the same as it is for consoles. It is an open platform that allows for various methods of acquiring software and it is not limited to Microsoft distribution.

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#3 Fairmonkey
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I consider PC gaming more of steam than Microsoft

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#4  Edited By madrocketeer
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PC belongs to no one. If a free OS was to release tomorrow that runs all the games better than Windows with zero issues, many gamers would gladly jump ship.

It's a free and open market. Microsoft merely has a presence in it, just like how Intel and AMD have a presence in it, just like how Steam and EGS have a presence in it, and so on. A very large and significant presence, sure, but still merely one among many. Google is the dominant search engine. Is internet search engine a Google platform?

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#5  Edited By Fedor
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Nope. Open market, if MS tried to change that PC gaming would find an alternative.

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#6 Pedro
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Anyone saying no is detached from reality.

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#7  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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Nah, not really. MS doesn't see any money for most game sales, any more than your mouse manufacturer would.

*edit* Not wanting to be detached from reality, though, I'll say "It's complicated".

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#8 NathanDrakeSwag
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No, because it isn't.

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#9 Pedro
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@sancho_panzer said:

Nah, not really. MS doesn't see any money for most game sales, any more than your mouse manufacturer would.

*edit* Not wanting to be detached from reality, though, I'll say "It's complicated".

But it is not complicated. Windows is Microsoft platform. Windows is an open platform that facilitates other platforms such as Steam, Origin etc. It is not the same as console platforms which are closed systems but it is still a Microsoft platform.

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#10 WonderWinner
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No.

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#11  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@Pedro: Well, ok, but if we're getting that technical, then STEAM, and PC in general, also covers Linux OSes, so we'd have to specify "Do you consider Windows OS PC to be an MS platform?", and the question related to our own understanding of PC and platform, or why bother with the word "consider"?

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#12 loonski
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No, cause I can do whatever the hell I want with it and install whatever I feel like.

Can I do that with an xbox/ps without modding the heck out of it? No.

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#13 Pedro
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@sancho_panzer said:

@Pedro: Well, ok, but if we're getting that technical, then STEAM also covers Linux OSes, so we'd have to specify "Do you consider Windows OS PC to be an MS platform?", and the question related to our own understanding of PC and platform, or why bother with the word "consider"?

It is not that technical. When you see game listed for PC it is specifically referring to Microsoft Windows. Microsoft Windows is a gaming platform. As stated before, it is an open gaming platform which allows for other platforms. It is not the same as console platforms that are closed systems. I am not sure why there is a deviation from these simple facts.

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#14 hardwenzen  Online
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How long until TC begins talking about drugs and call everyone on SW degenerates, etc?

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#15  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@Pedro said:
@sancho_panzer said:

@Pedro: Well, ok, but if we're getting that technical, then STEAM also covers Linux OSes, so we'd have to specify "Do you consider Windows OS PC to be an MS platform?", and the question related to our own understanding of PC and platform, or why bother with the word "consider"?

It is not that technical. When you see game listed for PC it is specifically referring to Microsoft Windows. Microsoft Windows is a gaming platform. As stated before, it is an open gaming platform which allows for other platforms. It is not the same as console platforms that are closed systems. I am not sure why there is a deviation from these simple facts.

But you're doing the consideringhere for me, and that wasn't the question. WhenIhear "PC", I'm not thinking about box labels.

*edit* Does anyone know how to fix the spacing issue after formatting edits?

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#16 enzyme36
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Nope. Microsoft is my OS... but I call the platforms what they are:

I play this game on steam...

Im playing this GOG game...

I have Diablo on B net...

I play 76 off the Bethesda Launcher...

Im playing this on Gamepass (this one is what I consider my Microsoft platform)

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#17 Fedor
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@hardwenzen: What happened now?

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#19 DaVillain-  Moderator
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My gaming PC is running W10 but it is NOT a MS platform nor it ever will be as PC itself is and always be an open-house for all PC gamers. But however in the past, MS tried to sneak-in an online fee and trying to get PC gamers paying XBL but nope, PC gamers put a stop to that and MS left PC alone.

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#20  Edited By simple-facts  Online
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Xbox studio games are Xbox studio's games,you play them on pc,console,gamepass or phone you are part of the Xbox family,Xbox thanks you for you're support

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#21  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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No. I play games on linux whenever I can to support its growth (but I won't sacrifice a good experience for it - if it's glitchy or runs like trash then Windows it is).

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#22  Edited By NathanDrakeSwag
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@simple-facts said:

Xbox studio games are Xbox studio's games,you play them on pc,console,gamepass or phone you are part of the Xbox family,Xbox thanks you for you're support

your*

HaH

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#23 hardwenzen  Online
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@fedor said:

@hardwenzen: What happened now?

Today? Nothing yet. Just predicting it to happen. But two days ago he was unleashed.

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#24 navyguy21
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The only thing that is "Microsoft platform " on PC is Gamepass PC and Windows Store.

They have to pay Valve when they put games on Steam like everyone else

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#25 DaVillain-  Moderator
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@fedor said:

@hardwenzen: What happened now?

I think he's talking about TC latest thread got locked by another mod and trust me, I had nothing to do with it.

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#26 Sushiglutton
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No, that would mean MS decided what games were allowed on PC and took a percentage of every game sold. Neither is true.

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#27 Pedro
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Folks the OS is a platform. PC being open doesn't change the fact that Windows is a development platform. When a game is listed for PC it is always referring to Microsoft Windows. If the game is on Linux it would specifically state Linux. These things should not be debatable in the slightest but it seems like there are a lot of strange emotional association around PC gaming. But to deny that Windows is not a platform is insane.

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#28  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy  Online
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When people say PC I have to ask what OS? MacOS, Windows, BSD, Linux, etc. It isn't MS until you put Windows on.

But they don't collect third party software licensing fees, you don't need to use an MS SDK, you don't need MS APIs, you don't need MS to certify your software, and you don't have to go through MS to buy software.

You don't always need MS to run Windows either, ReactOS is a non-MS implementation of Windows.

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#29 onesiphorus
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@madrocketeer: While the PC is considered a free and open platform while consoles are the opposite, it was not always the case for consoles, as they were as free and open as the PC prior to the video game crash of 1983. Any company can release its game on an Atari, Colecovision, or Intellivision platform, even if its game is considered pornographic (e.g. the controversial Custer's Revenge).

I assume that the free and open nature of consoles in the pre-crash era had a negative affect on the industry as when Nintendo came released the Famicom as the NES in the U.S. a few years after the crash, it made it into a closed platform through schemes like the lockout chip to prevent unlicensed publishers from releasing their games on the NES. However, the lockout chip did not prevent all unlicensed publishers from releasing their games (e.g. Tengen), but Nintendo set the precedent of future consoles being closed platforms.

How gaming would be like today if the NES failed and consoles went the way of the dodo.

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#30 Sancho_Panzer
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@Pedro said:

Folks the OS is a platform. PC being open doesn't change the fact that Windows is a development platform. When a game is listed for PC it is always referring to Microsoft Windows. If the game is on Linux it would specifically state Linux. These things should not be debatable in the slightest but it seems like there are a lot of strange emotional association around PC gaming. But to deny that Windows is not a platform is insane.

Do you know, I'd never thought about the exact definition of platforms...

Is it really so clear cut, or does the definition vary depending on the domain of use? Like, is there a single legal definition, a separate industry definition and a third common sense definition, or is it all the same in all contexts?

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#31 Fedor
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Would have liked to see this landslide in the form of a poll.

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@Pedro said:

Folks the OS is a platform. PC being open doesn't change the fact that Windows is a development platform. When a game is listed for PC it is always referring to Microsoft Windows. If the game is on Linux it would specifically state Linux. These things should not be debatable in the slightest but it seems like there are a lot of strange emotional association around PC gaming. But to deny that Windows is not a platform is insane.

That's fair Pedro, I get that but keep in mind most of my games do come from Steam/Valve & other clients. I may have Windows 10 store/Xbox GP on it but when MS puts their games into Steam such as FH4, Halo, Gears, they still gotta pay Valve 30% despite I have W10 as my OS. Heck if that wasn't the case, MS wouldn't be paying Valve to put their games on Steam in the first place.

This is just me saying if you all want to to call PC is a MS platform, then by all means. As long as I'm free to mod my games, then I'm okay.

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#33 hardwenzen  Online
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While MS is buying studios such as Bethesda, Sony will buy out PC for 20 billion. That's how you will see Bloodborne on pc.

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#34  Edited By Zero_epyon
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PC is a platform but it is not owned by MS. Besides PC having multiple storefronts, a gaming PC doesn't even have to run Windows.

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#35  Edited By Pedro
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@davillain- said:

That's fair Pedro, I get that but keep in mind most of my games do come from Steam/Valve & other clients. I may have Windows 10 store/Xbox GP on it but when MS puts their games into Steam such as FH4, Halo, Gears, they still gotta pay Valve 30% despite I have W10 as my OS. Heck if that wasn't the case, MS wouldn't be paying Valve to put their games on Steam in the first place.

This is just me saying if you all want to to call PC is a MS platform, then by all means. As long as I'm free to mod my games, then I'm okay.

I just think it is important to clarify the meaning of platform, which I why I made a distinction between open and closed platform. Windows is a gaming platform. It is not a closed platform that is found in consoles. It is a platform that allows for other gaming platforms to exist within itself. This openness does not make it less of a platform. That distinction is very important. Acquiring games or other software outside of Microsoft does not make it less of a platform. The reason we can and will continue to be able to such a thing is because the OS is an open platform. 😊

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#36  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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Separate questions. PC is thought of as Windows. Although a mac is a PC, it's not really referred a PC.

PC gaming is mostly Windows. The best way to game on Mac OS will be Xcloud, mainly because of the yearly macos updates, that plays havoc with compatibility.

But PC gaming is not MS, they're just hosts a platform.

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#37  Edited By Sancho_Panzer
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@Pedro: Here's the page you want us to discuss, I think.

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/game-platform

I'm too lazy, but I appreciate what you're doing here.

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#38 Pedro
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@HalcyonScarlet said:

But PC gaming is not MS, they're just hosts a platform.

That is technically true. However, it is not practically used in that fashion. When a game is announced for PC it is almost 100% Microsoft Windows they are referring to. The PC moniker has become a Windows thing despite the actual abbreviation indicating to the contrary.

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#39 Pedro
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@sancho_panzer said:

@Pedro: Here's the page you want us to debate, I think.

https://www.lawinsider.com/dictionary/game-platform

I'm too lazy, but I appreciate what you're doing here.

Unfortunately, OP question was more open-ended thus the reason I made a distinction between open and closed platforms.

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#40 osan0
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Windows certainly is a MS platform. The PC is not just windows though (but it mostly is in fairness).

I do most of my PC gaming on linux for example. clearly not a MS platform.

I suppose the difference is in how you define a platform. on consoles it tends to be a combination of hardware, software and services all tightly coupled together and locked down.

the PC is different as it has different hardware, OS and service providers and any combination of these makes up a PC. you don't have to have a PC with an intel CPU, an NVidia GPU running windows with Steam installed to call it a PC or a gaming PC.

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#41 Sancho_Panzer
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@Pedro: Ah, ok. FWIW, I'd have clung to that consideration point throughout and stuck with legal definitions as the only ones truly set in stone. Would have got quite snarky about it too!

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#42 Zaryia
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Yes, it is part of the Microsoft gaming family. For games on the box it literally says for platforms "MS Windows" in the list.

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#43  Edited By Antwan3K
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are people really trying to imply that Windows PC isn't a Microsoft owned platform?..

only on SW..

literally anywhere else, the answer is obviously "yes"..

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#44  Edited By madrocketeer
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@onesiphorus:

Yeah, one of those big "what ifs" of gaming, like "what if the Nintendo 64 used CDs instead of cartridges," "what if Sega didn't mess up the Sega Saturn" and "what if John Romero didn't let his reputation go to his head and made something half decent out of Daikatana," and so on.

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#45 HalcyonScarlet
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@Pedro said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:

But PC gaming is not MS, they're just hosts a platform.

That is technically true. However, it is not practically used in that fashion. When a game is announced for PC it is almost 100% Microsoft Windows they are referring to. The PC moniker has become a Windows thing despite the actual abbreviation indicating to the contrary.

That is true. If a game is macOS, steamOS or Linux compatible, they specifically say. But when they say PC, Windows is assumed as the host platform. That is what I'm getting at.

More importantly, Direct X is the preferred API for PC gaming, which is good for Xbox and vice versa, but also cements MSs position with PC gaming.

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#46 wandering_halls
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I'm running Windows 10.

But lol, no, my PC is not a MS platform. PC gaming is the wild west. Use what you want, reject the rest. If MS overstepped themselves, they'd be rejected, too.

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#47 SOedipus
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No, lol

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Nope.

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#50 JasonOfA36
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Nope.