Digital Foundry - Tomb Raider PC vs PS4

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#1 Edited by leandrro (1635 posts) -

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

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#2 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

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#3 Posted by MonsieurX (36672 posts) -

*500$ considering windows

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#4 Edited by leandrro (1635 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

ultimate settings 1080p, just like described by Digital Foundry

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#5 Edited by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

PC is the way to go for nearly any multiplat, this holds even more true this next gen with weaker than ever consoles!

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#6 Posted by leandrro (1635 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

*500$ considering windows

im talking about hardware

PS4 software price is absurd,

to play TR online on PS4 you need to spend 400 + 50 on PSN + 60 on the game = 510

on my PC its 400 + 0 + 0 (TR came for free) + 30 to 100 on Windows (but only if im really that stupid) = 430 to 500

lets not discuss software price because its not fair for the PS4

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#7 Edited by chikenfriedrice (13561 posts) -

Haha PC wins as always

I played it on the highest settings and it looked great.....so yeah no need for these console bastard versions

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#8 Edited by jhonMalcovich (7090 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

The game was running on my old Radeon 5870 at 1080p, at the settings close to ultra with TressFx on, at some 41 average fps. So if he has something better than 5870, like 7850 or better, then it's totally possible for him to run TR at Ultimate settings. TR was a very optimized game for ATI cards, and was't very demanding in general.

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#9 Edited by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@leandrro said:

@MonsieurX said:

*500$ considering windows

im talking about hardware

PS4 software price is absurd,

to play TR online on PS4 you need to spend 400 + 50 on PSN + 60 on the game = 510

on my PC its 400 + 0 + 0 (TR came for free) + 30 to 100 on Windows (but only if im really that stupid) = 430 to 500

lets not discuss software price because its not fair for the PS4

Just because TR came with your GPU, does not make it free for everyone

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#10 Posted by Heil68 (57642 posts) -

Another major victory for the world's most powerful video game console, the PS4.

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#11 Posted by freedomfreak (49722 posts) -
@leandrro said:

(TR came for free)

:will:

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#12 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@jhonMalcovich said:

@lostrib said:

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

The game was running on my old Radeon 5870 at 1080p at the setting clsoe to ultra, with TressFx on,at some 41 average fps. So if he has something better than 5870, like 7850 or better, then it's totally possible for him to run TR at Ultimate settings. TR was a very optimized game for ATI cards, and was't very demanding game in general.

I don't know how much it's been optimized since release but the original ultimate benchmarks have a 7870 at 42 fps average (1680x1050) and 36fps @1080x1200

Also, it's AMD now not ATI. Can't be making mistakes like that

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#13 Posted by silversix_ (26347 posts) -

Was the bone version so crappier looking that they didn't even bothered in the comparison?

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#14 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

Was the bone version so crappier looking that they didn't even bothered in the comparison?

Yeah, pretty much. The intro is basically that the PS4 version is better than x1

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#15 Posted by NFJSupreme (6468 posts) -

No surprises here. Pc will always be superior

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#16 Edited by bobbetybob (19370 posts) -

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR STUPID PC.

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#17 Posted by ohgeez (919 posts) -

@leandrro said:

@MonsieurX said:

*500$ considering windows

im talking about hardware

PS4 software price is absurd,

to play TR online on PS4 you need to spend 400 + 50 on PSN + 60 on the game = 510

on my PC its 400 + 0 + 0 (TR came for free) + 30 to 100 on Windows (but only if im really that stupid) = 430 to 500

lets not discuss software price because its not fair for the PS4

First of all, who would want to play this online?

Secondly, if they did, you are including free games in your PC fees but not for the PSN. I mean, I know its not THIS specific game, but PS+ gives you a lot of free crap. Its not consistent that you add that to PCs value and not PSNs.

Thirdly, from the digital foundry article, the PS4 version of the game seems well optimized compared to PC version which runs at a comparable level with a 7850 and tressfx off. With tressfx on, you would probably need a much more powerful card.

The game looks pretty good on next gen systems, I am pretty impressed. Lara's face does look much worse though.

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#18 Edited by Tessellation (8997 posts) -

basement dweller cows owned again lol

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#19 Edited by Rage010101 (5470 posts) -

Pretty much what us hermits knew months ago. There's a reason we are the Master Race. We are of a higher caliber intelligence than console kids. We saw this coming, there was no need for a crystal ball.

Many console scrubs were screaming "wait for Digital Foundry to analyze it". Well the time has come kiddos, now there are no excuses. Kneel before your PC overlords!

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#20 Posted by ohgeez (919 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

Was the bone version so crappier looking that they didn't even bothered in the comparison?

Here's the summary of the xbox version in comparison, which they've noted has pretty good IQ despite these findings.

+Less judder

-Some alpha effects are lower res effects

-DOF and anisotropic filtering are lower quality

-Lower framerate (as mentioned in the old article)

-Some lower res textures (possibly a bug)

-Some cutscenes are 900p

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#21 Edited by jhonMalcovich (7090 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

@lostrib said:

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

The game was running on my old Radeon 5870 at 1080p at the setting clsoe to ultra, with TressFx on,at some 41 average fps. So if he has something better than 5870, like 7850 or better, then it's totally possible for him to run TR at Ultimate settings. TR was a very optimized game for ATI cards, and was't very demanding game in general.

I don't know how much it's been optimized since release but the original ultimate benchmarks have a 7870 at 42 fps average (1680x1050) and 36fps @1080x1200

Also, it's AMD now not ATI. Can't be making mistakes like that

I don't remember that, and I bought TR day 1, and played it on my Radeon 5870 1GB without a hitch.

But according to this current benchmark

http://www.techspot.com/review/645-tomb-raider-performance/page3.html

Radeon 7870 runs the game at ultra quality(16xAF) at 1920*1200 at average 52 fps.

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#22 Posted by silversix_ (26347 posts) -

@Tessellation said:

basement dweller cows owned again lol

i don't think i've told you this before but im in love with you, you give SW a very special flavor.

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#23 Edited by lglz1337 (4942 posts) -

not even a comparison vs Xbone bahahahaha

and hetmits act they have a uber machine

clear winner ps4

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#24 Posted by Dreams-Visions (26578 posts) -

PS4

1080p

FXAA

40-50fps fluctuations, 60fps peak in less demanding areas


XOne

1080p gameplay

900p in some cutscenes

FXAA

Lower quality DOF

Some alpha effects rendered half resolution

Reduced anisotropic filtering on artwork

Some lower res textures

24-30fps fluctuations

Less judder in certain situations

Well, we certainly have a clear winner here...but we knew as much already. At least the game is playable and stays mostly around 30fps on the One.

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#25 Edited by R4gn4r0k (26809 posts) -

@chikenfriedrice said:

Haha PC wins as always

I played it on the highest settings and it looked great.....so yeah no need for these console bastard versions

The only thing I didn't like was that Lara's hair was rendered incredibly with TressFX but the other characters just had stock hair, making Lara's hair stand out more than it should.

One small complaint for an otherwise spectacular looking game though.

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#26 Posted by silversix_ (26347 posts) -
@ohgeez said:

@silversix_ said:

Was the bone version so crappier looking that they didn't even bothered in the comparison?

Here's the summary of the xbox version in comparison, which they've noted has pretty good IQ despite these findings.

+Less judder

-Some alpha effects are lower res effects

-DOF and anisotropic filtering are lower quality

-Lower framerate (as mentioned in the old article)

-Some lower res textures (possibly a bug)

-Some cutscenes are 900p


Ouch especially the 900p cutsceens like wtf is that-.-

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#27 Edited by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@jhonMalcovich said:

@lostrib said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

@lostrib said:

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

The game was running on my old Radeon 5870 at 1080p at the setting clsoe to ultra, with TressFx on,at some 41 average fps. So if he has something better than 5870, like 7850 or better, then it's totally possible for him to run TR at Ultimate settings. TR was a very optimized game for ATI cards, and was't very demanding game in general.

I don't know how much it's been optimized since release but the original ultimate benchmarks have a 7870 at 42 fps average (1680x1050) and 36fps @1080x1200

Also, it's AMD now not ATI. Can't be making mistakes like that

I don't remember that, and I bought TR day 1, and played it on my Radeon 5870 1GB without a hitch.

But according to this current benchmark

http://www.techspot.com/review/645-tomb-raider-performance/page3.html

Radeon 7870 runs the game at ultra quality(16xAF) at 1920*1200 at average 52 fps.

Ultimate is higher settings than ultra

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#28 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

not even a comparison vs Xbone bahahahaha

and hetmits act they have a uber machine

clear winner ps4

what's a hetmit?

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#29 Edited by lglz1337 (4942 posts) -

@lostrib: heRmit better ?

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#30 Edited by glez13 (9743 posts) -

@jhonMalcovich said:

@lostrib said:

@jhonMalcovich said:

@lostrib said:

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

The game was running on my old Radeon 5870 at 1080p at the setting clsoe to ultra, with TressFx on,at some 41 average fps. So if he has something better than 5870, like 7850 or better, then it's totally possible for him to run TR at Ultimate settings. TR was a very optimized game for ATI cards, and was't very demanding game in general.

I don't know how much it's been optimized since release but the original ultimate benchmarks have a 7870 at 42 fps average (1680x1050) and 36fps @1080x1200

Also, it's AMD now not ATI. Can't be making mistakes like that

I don't remember that, and I bought TR day 1, and played it on my Radeon 5870 1GB without a hitch.

But according to this current benchmark

http://www.techspot.com/review/645-tomb-raider-performance/page3.html

Radeon 7870 runs the game at ultra quality(16xAF) at 1920*1200 at average 52 fps.

That's Ultra not Ultimate(TressFX). Ultimate is in the next page and is what he said 36fps average.

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#31 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@lglz1337 said:

@lostrib: heRmit better ?

why is the R capitalized?

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#32 Edited by donalbane (16383 posts) -

The reason I like getting multiplats on PC is that over time, you will be able to push them even more when you upgrade. Not to mention few games look as gorgeous in 3D as Tomb Raider.

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#33 Edited by Tessellation (8997 posts) -

@silversix_ said:

@Tessellation said:

basement dweller cows owned again lol

i don't think i've told you this before but im in love with you, you give SW a very special flavor.

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#34 Posted by _Matt_ (10427 posts) -

@bobbetybob said:

NOBODY CARES ABOUT YOUR STUPID PC.

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#35 Edited by I_can_haz (6511 posts) -

TLHBO. Seems the most cost effective way to multiplats this gen is with a PS4.

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#36 Posted by AM-Gamer (8116 posts) -

@leandrro: So let me get this straight, the pc version has worse hair physics ,les foliage, basically looks dead because the entire environment doesn't move and runs 10fps lower on your pc. But hey at least you get tesselation, and you somehow call it a win?

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#37 Edited by ReadingRainbow4 (18733 posts) -

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

Lol, no.

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#38 Edited by KittenNose (1397 posts) -
@MonsieurX said:

*500$ considering windows

That is cool, so long as you up the price of the PS4 to seven or eight hundred dollars because it holds multiplayer hostage behind a pay wall. Fifty bucks a year over the course of the the console life cycle to access basic game play features really adds up. Lets see if people are factoring that in...

@I_can_haz said:

TLHBO. Seems the most cost effective way to multiplats this gen is with a PS4.

Nope, nope didn't think so.

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#39 Edited by deactivated-59b71619573a1 (38222 posts) -

Still a crappy game

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#40 Posted by ReadingRainbow4 (18733 posts) -

@seanmcloughlin said:

Still a crappy game

Yup, it really falls apart halfway through. The beginning was promising until they throw the "Survival," based gameplay completely out the window and make it a shittier version of uncharted.

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#41 Posted by CrownKingArthur (5262 posts) -

no surprises at all. pc can be the most powerful, and the value is very good at the moment.

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#42 Edited by Riverwolf007 (26023 posts) -

your $400 pc is playing a game from last year on ultra?

damn dude i'm going to have to have you pick out components for me the next time i build a pc.

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#43 Posted by BlessedChill (697 posts) -

TC screams bias.

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#44 Edited by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

@BlessedChill said:

TC screams bias.

I'm not sure if you have to be biased to think a PC multiplat looks better anymore,

more like you justneed a pair of eyes.

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#45 Edited by tormentos (26626 posts) -

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

Your $400 PC that you use with a steal OS and parts you already have that would actually cost close to $600 in real life.?

Yeah i believe you...

To what PC they compared the PS4 version because i am sure it wasn't to a $400 PC..lol

@leandrro said:

@MonsieurX said:

*500$ considering windows

im talking about hardware

PS4 software price is absurd,

to play TR online on PS4 you need to spend 400 + 50 on PSN + 60 on the game = 510

on my PC its 400 + 0 + 0 (TR came for free) + 30 to 100 on Windows (but only if im really that stupid) = 430 to 500

lets not discuss software price because its not fair for the PS4

Why the fu** do i need PSN+ to play single player on Tomb Raider moron.? Also what GPU you have.?

Wasn't a 7850.?

@Tessellation said:

basement dweller cows owned again lol

Don't worry soon SuperDae will release new specs..lol

I hear there is an 8% GPU release coming that should make your xbox one run like a Titan GPU..lol

@jhonMalcovich said:

@lostrib said:

@leandrro said:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2014-tomb-raider-definitive-edition-next-gen-face-off?utm_source=eurogamer&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=net-daily

"Running with the ultimate preset enabled and the original TressFX in action, it's clear that the Definitive Edition delivers an upgrade in select areas, but fails to trump the PC game in all respects. Certainly, when it comes to running at 1080p60 - or with even higher resolutions and frame-rate - no other platform can truly offer a PC-beating experience."

so another easy win for my U$400 PC over the PS4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naO0daBZeRo

1080p 44fps avg on benchmark, 45-55fps most of the time in real gameplay

at what settings?

The game was running on my old Radeon 5870 at 1080p, at the settings close to ultra with TressFx on, at some 41 average fps. So if he has something better than 5870, like 7850 or better, then it's totally possible for him to run TR at Ultimate settings. TR was a very optimized game for ATI cards, and was't very demanding in general.

The 7850 get 33 FPS average on 1680x1050 which isn't even 1080p,so i don't think he can get 44FPS on ultimate on 1080p,it doesn't even get it on lower resolution,but on Ultra it probably could.

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#46 Posted by Jag85 (10664 posts) -

In other words, the PS4 version has better foliage and sub-surface light scattering, while the PC version is better in every other way.

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#47 Posted by tormentos (26626 posts) -
@silversix_ said:
@ohgeez said:

@silversix_ said:

Was the bone version so crappier looking that they didn't even bothered in the comparison?

Here's the summary of the xbox version in comparison, which they've noted has pretty good IQ despite these findings.

+Less judder

-Some alpha effects are lower res effects

-DOF and anisotropic filtering are lower quality

-Lower framerate (as mentioned in the old article)

-Some lower res textures (possibly a bug)

-Some cutscenes are 900p

Ouch especially the 900p cutsceens like wtf is that-.-

Because Tomb Raider Cut scenes are probably on engine in real time,so to keep parity with those the xbox one has to drop to 900p to be able to keep up,this was say already by several people that it appear that the game had lower resolution some times it was that.

-Some alpha effects are lower res effects

-DOF and anisotropic filtering are lower quality

-Lower framerate (as mentioned in the old article)

-Some lower res textures (possibly a bug)

All that + an 20FPS on average advantage for the PS4 really show that the xbox one is really in trouble and explain why MS is giving back 8% of the reservation the PS4 is killing it,i wonder how much bigger the gap will get,because as of now this is basically the biggest difference yet of any multiplatforms..

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#48 Posted by uninspiredcup (24677 posts) -

My friends, the price point is the elephant in the room.

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#49 Edited by BlessedChill (697 posts) -

@Jankarcop said:

@BlessedChill said:

TC screams bias.

I'm not sure if you have to be biased to think a PC multiplat looks better anymore,

more like you justneed a pair of eyes.

0 dollars for a copy of windows? He's obviously lying.

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#50 Edited by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@BlessedChill said:

@Jankarcop said:

@BlessedChill said:

TC screams bias.

I'm not sure if you have to be biased to think a PC multiplat looks better anymore,

more like you justneed a pair of eyes.

0 dollars for a copy of windows? He's obviously lying.

what does the price of windows have to do with how a game looks?