Digital Foundry opinion on MS harsh DRM ( xbox series, basically becomes a paperweight or E-waste)

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#1 daredevils2k
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Dark 1x at DF SAYS

that raises the other concern again just puts back in the spotlight the fact that the system if you have an xbox one or xbox series console, i think xbox one that's been factory reset or its a new console and their server is not available you can't set it up , so its bascially like uh a paperweight or E-waste

I am so glad that Nintendo and Sony doesn't follow these harsh drm policies that MS does. I am glad that my hard copies of games don't rely the internet to be played, unlike the XBOX series

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I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

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@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

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#4  Edited By BenjaminBanklin
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Xboners don't care. It's not like Xbox has games anyway.

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#5  Edited By Mesome713
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I play my Xbox Series X games offline just fine.

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#6 blaznwiipspman1
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DRM? Lol what does that even mean? How does that affect the normal user who is playing on gamepass or playing their game off a disc?

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@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

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@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

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Dark 1x at DF SAYS

that raises the other concern again just puts back in the spotlight the fact that the system if you have an xbox one or xbox series console, i think xbox one that's been factory reset or its a new console and their server is not available you can't set it up , so its bascially like uh a paperweight or E-waste

I am so glad that Nintendo and Sony doesn't follow these harsh drm policies that MS does. I am glad that my hard copies of games don't rely the internet to be played, unlike the XBOX series

Awesome. Xbox, GTFO from gaming industry. Xbox and Xbox community ( yuck ) will ruin gaming industry.

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@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

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#11 x_hedon
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@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Sure, just Google it. Many people have had issues with PS4/PS5 games not working offline, even when PSN has gone down.

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@mowgly1 said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

I too wouldn't trust biased PS or Xbox fans. That is why it's great to be a manticore like me.

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It's always worth pointing out that you do not have full control over your proprietary gaming console. Doesn't matter which corporation you are working with.

If you really care about preserving your games for the future then you will figure out a way to back up the data and bypass the DRM if necessary.

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#14  Edited By mowgly1
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@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

I too wouldn't trust biased PS or Xbox fans. That is why it's great to be a manticore like me.

I'm biased PS fan, but at least i'm not spewing shit and trying to hid Xbox fails and shits behind PS5, which, of course, PS5 doesn't have any. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

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#15  Edited By x_hedon
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@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

I too wouldn't trust biased PS or Xbox fans. That is why it's great to be a manticore like me.

I'm biased PS fan, but at least i'm not spewing shit and trying to hid Xbox fails and shits behind PS5, which, of course, PS5 doesn't have any. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

But all you do is spew shit. And yes, PS5 has DRM. I would recommend you stop lying.

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#16  Edited By mowgly1
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@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

I too wouldn't trust biased PS or Xbox fans. That is why it's great to be a manticore like me.

I'm biased PS fan, but at least i'm not spewing shit and trying to hid Xbox fails and shits behind PS5, which, of course, PS5 doesn't have any. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

But all you do is spew shit. And yes, PS5 has DRM. I would recommend you stop lying.

PS5 doesn't have DRM in any way like Xbox ( AS POINTED OUT BY DIGITAL FOUNDRY TOO ), so, cut the crap or GTFO. You literally trying to twist what Digital Foundry said

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@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

I too wouldn't trust biased PS or Xbox fans. That is why it's great to be a manticore like me.

I'm biased PS fan, but at least i'm not spewing shit and trying to hid Xbox fails and shits behind PS5, which, of course, PS5 doesn't have any. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

But all you do is spew shit. And yes, PS5 has DRM. I would recommend you stop lying.

PS5 doesn't have DRM in any way

There you go again, lying.

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#18  Edited By mowgly1
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@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:

I too wouldn't trust biased PS or Xbox fans. That is why it's great to be a manticore like me.

I'm biased PS fan, but at least i'm not spewing shit and trying to hid Xbox fails and shits behind PS5, which, of course, PS5 doesn't have any. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

But all you do is spew shit. And yes, PS5 has DRM. I would recommend you stop lying.

PS5 doesn't have DRM in any way

There you go again, lying.

Deliberately cut the rest of my post and twisting it. Pathetic Xbox human creature.

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@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

I'm biased PS fan, but at least i'm not spewing shit and trying to hid Xbox fails and shits behind PS5, which, of course, PS5 doesn't have any. YOU ARE PATHETIC.

But all you do is spew shit. And yes, PS5 has DRM. I would recommend you stop lying.

PS5 doesn't have DRM in any way

There you go again, lying.

Deliberately cut the rest of my post and twisting it. Pathetic Xbox human creature.

Nah. Some games also don't work offline on PS4/PS5 sadly. Sony has DRM and it's crippling gaming.

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@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:

But all you do is spew shit. And yes, PS5 has DRM. I would recommend you stop lying.

PS5 doesn't have DRM in any way

There you go again, lying.

Deliberately cut the rest of my post and twisting it. Pathetic Xbox human creature.

Nah. Some games also don't work offline on PS4/PS5 sadly. Sony has DRM and it's crippling gaming.

Some games like F2P games on PS5. LOL No shit, Sherlock. On Xbox ALL games didn't worked. You, xBOX fans and Xbox fucked up gaming industry.

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#21 Pedro
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This issue was present since the platform inception and now folks are acting surprised?🤣 We even had a thread on it in this forum almost 2 years ago.

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@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:

PS5 doesn't have DRM in any way

There you go again, lying.

Deliberately cut the rest of my post and twisting it. Pathetic Xbox human creature.

Nah. Some games also don't work offline on PS4/PS5 sadly. Sony has DRM and it's crippling gaming.

Some games like F2P games on PS5. LOL No shit, Sherlock. On Xbox ALL games didn't worked. You, xBOX fans and Xbox fucked up gaming industry.

Why are you lying again. 🤡

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#23 x_hedon
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@Pedro said:

This issue was present since the platform inception and now folks are acting surprised?🤣 We even had a thread on it in this forum almost 2 years ago.

Mowgly1 doesn’t like people enjoying multiple platforms. He doesn’t actually care about DRM.

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#24  Edited By GoldenElementXL  Online
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We are just missing 1 Xbox apologist in this thread. I’m sure his damage conTroll senses are tingling, though

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Cow meltdowns are the best 🤣

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@goldenelementxl said:

We are just missing 1 Xbox apologist in this thread. I’m sure his damage conTroll senses are tingling, though

Let us know when they all get here!

I wonder how they and the cows will react? Good thing when I was playing Nier Replicant at my cabin this weekend (we don‘t have internet at our cabin) on my Xbox, it worked smooth as silk.

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Don’t we already have a thread on this topic?

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I've never seen so many lems in damage control mode before. I guess DF opinion of MS very harsh DRM policy has made them go bonkers.

I want to take this time to say thank you, Sony and Nintendo for being there for us gameers. You two really care for us

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#29  Edited By GirlUSoCrazy
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@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

You have to be honest though, the thieves will always get what they want. Like Denuvo, they impose restrictions that inconvenience the legitimate customer far more than the pirate.

Digital game stores place limits on devices they can install it on, limits of who can be playing when family sharing, limits on playing offline, limits on performance when DRM steals CPU time and RAM.

Yet the thieves always seem to get timely releases, don't have those limitations, and even get to play earlier sometimes. It doesn't change much except for adding more hoops for the legitimate user as time goes on.

GoG DRM-free releases exist. There should be something possible like this for legitimate users on all platforms and storefronts.

Especially with physical media you should always be able to put it in and play it completely offline. There isn't even a fake disc problem with devices that have the above mentioned restrictions.

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@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Maybe if companies weren't this scummy there would be less thieves?

Who's wrong for not willing to line a CEO's pockets with silver?

Devs get hired, get fired once the project is done and never seen their names in any credit.

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@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Sure, just Google it. Many people have had issues with PS4/PS5 games not working offline, even when PSN has gone down.

I have never once had a problem playing a PS4 or PS5 game while being offline unless it was an online only game, which those do exist. Now forced patches are another issue, sometimes you have to connect online to update the game.

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@R4gn4r0k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Maybe if companies weren't this scummy there would be less thieves?

Who's wrong for not willing to line a CEO's pockets with silver?

Devs get hired, get fired once the project is done and never seen their names in any credit.

While what you say is true there still should never ever be theft.

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@goldenelementxl said:

We are just missing 1 Xbox apologist in this thread. I’m sure his damage conTroll senses are tingling, though

lol :P

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That Mowgly guy seems like he'd be fun at parties.

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@mowgly1: Relax…

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@daredevils2k: Good. Stay off the XBox, and don't comment on it going forward.

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@dabear said:

@daredevils2k: Good. Stay off the XBox, and don't comment on it going forward.

but who else will point out all the faults of the xbox ?

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@daredevils2k said:
@dabear said:

@daredevils2k: Good. Stay off the XBox, and don't comment on it going forward.

but who else will point out all the faults of the xbox ?

True. We need to even the playing field. Some need to point out the faults of PlayStation, and some need to point out the faults of Xbox.

Sounds like Even Steven!

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@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@dabear said:

@daredevils2k: Good. Stay off the XBox, and don't comment on it going forward.

but who else will point out all the faults of the xbox ?

True. We need to even the playing field. Some need to point out the faults of PlayStation, and some need to point out the faults of Xbox.

Sounds like Even Steven!

Exactly!! because knowing is half the battle

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@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@dabear said:

@daredevils2k: Good. Stay off the XBox, and don't comment on it going forward.

but who else will point out all the faults of the xbox ?

True. We need to even the playing field. Some need to point out the faults of PlayStation, and some need to point out the faults of Xbox.

Sounds like Even Steven!

Exactly!! because knowing is half the battle

Yup. I’m here to help.

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@mowgly1 said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:

I don't like that Sony and MS have DRM. It's the thieves that ruin it for everyone.

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

Why are you spinning this, like it's a good thing?

In excess of 95% plus of the $70 game, GT7 is not accessible offline. :-S

"In fact, there are only four game modes in GT7 that you can play in offline mode. Drift Trial, Music Rally, Single Race, and Time Trial are your only gameplay options if you want to go off the grid.

Even worse is the fact that you can’t unlock any vehicles while offline. You’re completely locked into a list of 13 different cars"

https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/is-gran-turismo-7-playable-offline-answered/

So basically the game turns into a demo when offline... For a $70 game. But that's okay, because you're a fan of the company.

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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@mowgly1 said:
@daredevils2k said:
@x_hedon said:
@daredevils2k said:

Sony's isnt' that harsh, you're still able to play your hard copy of games with out checking with servers, unlike MS. DF seems like the way that Sony and Nintendo handles DRM.

Sadly, some of the games on the PS don't work offline either. Disc or digital. I wish Sony and MS would look into their DRM practice and find a way to improve it.

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

Why are you spinning this, like it's a good thing?

In excess of 95% plus of the $70 game, GT7 is not accessible offline. :-S

"In fact, there are only four game modes in GT7 that you can play in offline mode. Drift Trial, Music Rally, Single Race, and Time Trial are your only gameplay options if you want to go off the grid.

Even worse is the fact that you can’t unlock any vehicles while offline. You’re completely locked into a list of 13 different cars"

https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/is-gran-turismo-7-playable-offline-answered/

So basically the game turns into a demo when offline... For a $70 game. But that's okay, because you're a fan of the company.

dam that was a burn

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Music to my ears. Xbox is shit

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#44  Edited By mowgly1
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@firedrakes said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@mowgly1 said:
@daredevils2k said:

can you post a link to that? because as of now its just GT7

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

Why are you spinning this, like it's a good thing?

In excess of 95% plus of the $70 game, GT7 is not accessible offline. :-S

"In fact, there are only four game modes in GT7 that you can play in offline mode. Drift Trial, Music Rally, Single Race, and Time Trial are your only gameplay options if you want to go off the grid.

Even worse is the fact that you can’t unlock any vehicles while offline. You’re completely locked into a list of 13 different cars"

https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/is-gran-turismo-7-playable-offline-answered/

So basically the game turns into a demo when offline... For a $70 game. But that's okay, because you're a fan of the company.

dam that was a burn

Lol. Which burn? On crappy Xbpx you couldn't even play the damn games when XBL was down. At least you can play that GT7 "demo" indefinitely offline. Take an L, Xbox fans, and take Xbox underground with you

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@HalcyonScarlet said:
@mowgly1 said:

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

Why are you spinning this, like it's a good thing?

In excess of 95% plus of the $70 game, GT7 is not accessible offline. :-S

"In fact, there are only four game modes in GT7 that you can play in offline mode. Drift Trial, Music Rally, Single Race, and Time Trial are your only gameplay options if you want to go off the grid.

Even worse is the fact that you can’t unlock any vehicles while offline. You’re completely locked into a list of 13 different cars"

https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/is-gran-turismo-7-playable-offline-answered/

So basically the game turns into a demo when offline... For a $70 game. But that's okay, because you're a fan of the company.

Holy shit. R E K T!

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#46 mowgly1
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@x_hedon said:
@HalcyonScarlet said:
@mowgly1 said:

Don't trust this Xbox fans whatever he said. He will try to screw your brain. He always trying to hid Xbox crap mentioning PS5. Also, GT7 can be played offline. Not the full portion of the game, but it can be played

Why are you spinning this, like it's a good thing?

In excess of 95% plus of the $70 game, GT7 is not accessible offline. :-S

"In fact, there are only four game modes in GT7 that you can play in offline mode. Drift Trial, Music Rally, Single Race, and Time Trial are your only gameplay options if you want to go off the grid.

Even worse is the fact that you can’t unlock any vehicles while offline. You’re completely locked into a list of 13 different cars"

https://twinfinite.net/2022/03/is-gran-turismo-7-playable-offline-answered/

So basically the game turns into a demo when offline... For a $70 game. But that's okay, because you're a fan of the company.

Holy shit. R E K T!

Holy shit, Rekt! Xbox fans are dumb

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@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:

Holy shit. R E K T!

Holy shit, Rekt! Xbox fans are dumb

I am not too worried about Xbox fans personally. But you do you.

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@x_hedon said:
@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:

Holy shit. R E K T!

Holy shit, Rekt! Xbox fans are dumb

I am not too worried about Xbox fans personally.

You should, Kvally, you really should.

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#49 x_hedon
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@mowgly1 said:
@x_hedon said:

I am not too worried about Xbox fans personally.

You should, Kvally, you really should.

Nah, I will leave that to you cows. I like my manticore life.