DF report: Looks like the X1X can't handle Anthem at 4k.

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Aaaaaand another one bites the dust for the X1X. This seems to be happening more and more. How can you have a "true 4k" console that hardly runs anything at actual 4k? What do you guys think about this? Disappointed? Not surprised? At this point you've got to wonder how many games on the X1X will even be capable of "true 4k".

http://heavy.com/games/2017/06/anthem-not-true-4k-xbox-one-x-digital-foundry-analysis/

From the article:

"Digital Foundry performed a technical analysis of Anthem, the game Microsoft showcased at their E3 conference to show off the power of their new console, and found that the title isn’t actually running in true 4K resolution.

[...] We see the use of checkerboarding 4K, one of the criticisms that met the PS4 Pro. Digital Foundry notes that we only see half the pixels being shaded. Of course, the game still looks very crisp and doesn’t detract too much from the visuals. However, Microsoft has been pushing the Xbox One X as a true 4K experience, so it’s a little disappointing to see this happening."

"Another thing pointed out in the analysis is the limited draw distance. At one point in the video, it is slowed down to 50 percent speed so we can get a better look at the ground and we can see the textures popping in as your character gets closer to it."

Ouch.

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TBH, it doesn't overly bother me. At all.

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So still better than any Playstation console. MS stays winning

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#4  Edited By gago-gago
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The game is not out yet, the Xbox One X is not out yet, but one thing that is a fact that the Xbox One X version is still better than any PS4 version. Must bother those Sony fans that cares so much for this stuff though.

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Oh dear god NOOOOO!!! Quick! Everyone panic! :P

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@lundy86_4: Well, it bothers lems, I can tell you that much.

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#7  Edited By commander
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so how does the ps4 pro run it, sub hd?

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#8  Edited By xxyetixx
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Oh my, an unfinished game running a scripted gameplay showcase off a PC wasn't running in true 4k, must mean PC's are weak sauce ?

Keep grasping it's adorable

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@commander: Classic tactic. The X1X falls short. Quick, talk about the PS4 Pro! Hurry!

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#10  Edited By BassMan
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If you want true 4K/60, then PC is the only viable option for any game that needs more than a potato to run. Even a 1080 Ti can't run some demanding games at max settings 4K/60. Still early for 4K.

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shocked...

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@reduc_ab_ said:

@commander: Classic tactic. The X1X falls short. Quick, talk about the PS4 Pro! Hurry!

fall short in what, there's no competition

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All anyone should care about as far as reso, "Of course, the game still looks very crisp and doesn’t detract too much from the visuals."

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@reduc_ab_: shouldnt be posting about something your actually interested in? Where is the "Arizona Sunshine" thread? Did I miss it and the hype, did it not pan out the way you'd hope it did?.

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@reduc_ab_ said:

@lundy86_4: Well, it bothers lems, I can tell you that much.

As much or more than what the Scorpio bothers you?

Judging from just your post history alone, i'd say it's about 90% not in your favour :(

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Things like resolution, and draw distance are driven by the GPU. If the final product has these issues, (which it won't) can you imagine how bad the PS Pro version will look.

Cows are literally in a no win situation here.

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Checkerboard Time Travel Projection strikes again. XboneX just keeps winning.

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this game is going to be horribly downgraded anyway

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Oh, lookie there, my Threaderipper+Vega plans looking more and more sound by the passing hour. . .

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#MooMooMooMooMooMooMooMooMoo

Can't wait to hear how the "True gamers" of this forum tells us how PC doesn't matter now. . .

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@reduc_ab_: Still gonna smash the PS4 Pro version... and that's gotta be eating you up inside hey :)

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From the article.

"Anthem is still in the alpha stages, so we can see this get cleaned up before the game’s official release next year. The trailer has shown us that the game already looks great and we can count on it getting better. We have Microsoft first-party games like Forza running in 4K and 60 frames-per-second, so we know the power is there to do it. It’s just up to BioWare to get as much optimization out of the console as possible. We’re excited to see where this goes because we’d like to see Microsoft hit it out of the park with their Xbox One X."

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@hrt_rulz01 said:

@reduc_ab_: Still gonna smash the PS4 Pro version... and that's gotta be eating you up inside hey :)

"true 4k!" OMG all teh 60fps!

*12 months later*

"At least it's better than teh Playstation!"

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@kuu2 said:

From the article.

"Anthem is still in the alpha stages, so we can see this get cleaned up before the game’s official release next year. The trailer has shown us that the game already looks great and we can count on it getting better. We have Microsoft first-party games like Forza running in 4K and 60 frames-per-second, so we know the power is there to do it. It’s just up to BioWare to get as much optimization out of the console as possible. We’re excited to see where this goes because we’d like to see Microsoft hit it out of the park with their Xbox One X."

Well we had Forza 5 and 6 running at 1080p 60fps on the original Xbox One console, so where were all the 1080p 60fps games? Again, using Forza as an example for what's to come hasn't worked in the past, and it will continue to not work in the future.

Also, is this setting up the "lazy devs" defense? That's what this feels like.

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TitanGreatness 2 says hello.

From the actual devs.

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@goldenelementxl: It's not setting up for "lazy devs" excuse if DF says it's up to Bioware to optimize it to play at 4K 60fps. They say the power is there.

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#28  Edited By SakusEnvoy
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@Shewgenja: So true. Seems like the goal post is always changing. I still remember the "PSFauxK" complaints and claims that One X allows for true uncompromised gaming. Is the goal now just to be better the PS4 Pro? I would hope it is better, considering it's more expensive and releasing a year later.

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@Shewgenja said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

@reduc_ab_: Still gonna smash the PS4 Pro version... and that's gotta be eating you up inside hey :)

"true 4k!" OMG all teh 60fps!

*12 months later*

"At least it's better than teh Playstation!"

"Lol @ 900p/720p Xbone games - the difference between between PS4 & Xbone versions are massive"

*Since Scorpio was announced*

"Resolution means nothing/won't be much difference... it's all about the games".

LOL. Hypocrites!

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It didn't stop me from buying a PS4 Pro, why would it stop me from buying a stronger Xbox? Like Spencer said, they don't tell devs how to use the power. First party games will be true 4K.

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@mems_1224 said:

So still better than any Playstation console. MS stays winning

No still in the same boat as sony and they still losing the war.lol

@gago-gago said:

The game is not out yet, the Xbox One X is not out yet, but one thing that is a fact that the Xbox One X version is still better than any PS4 version. Must bother those Sony fans that cares so much for this stuff though.

You don't care about power lol...

The only thing we know is that the XBO X is a weak POS as the pro which can't do native 4k in all games and have to resort to checkerboard like the pro..

I guess MS lie again to lemmings..Oh By the way the normal PS4 on launch had only 1 game at 900p the xbox one X already have several lower than 4k.

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@metalslimenite said:

The game is always online bro op trash, so who cares what it looks like?

Only hardcore weaboo JRPGs!!!!! Come on guys!!!!

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@kuu2 said:

From the article.

"Anthem is still in the alpha stages, so we can see this get cleaned up before the game’s official release next year. The trailer has shown us that the game already looks great and we can count on it getting better. We have Microsoft first-party games like Forza running in 4K and 60 frames-per-second, so we know the power is there to do it. It’s just up to BioWare to get as much optimization out of the console as possible. We’re excited to see where this goes because we’d like to see Microsoft hit it out of the park with their Xbox One X."

Checkerboard rendering is not something you drop or rise is static,what change is dynamic resolution,so if the game use checkerboard i am sure it will not change,once they implement checkerboard is to stay.

MS lie and promise true 4k.

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@Shewgenja said:
@hrt_rulz01 said:

@reduc_ab_: Still gonna smash the PS4 Pro version... and that's gotta be eating you up inside hey :)

"true 4k!" OMG all teh 60fps!

*12 months later*

"At least it's better than teh Playstation!"

Announcement of Scorpio then PS4 Pro event coming in underwhelming "Resolution doesn't matter!!!'

DF Spec reveal "Resolution doesn't matter!!!"

DF analysis of an alpha build of Anthem "Look it doesn't hit the resolution!!"

LOL

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#35  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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This isn't surprising to any PC gamers really. E3 Anthem showing was running on PC and I wouldn't take what the Xbox One X can do as far as 4K goes.

Nevertheless, I'm still down for Anthem on PC and it's a day one purchase baby!!!

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Oh no. It's my worst fear behind substandard burger condiments.

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@goldenelementxl said:
@kuu2 said:

From the article.

"Anthem is still in the alpha stages, so we can see this get cleaned up before the game’s official release next year. The trailer has shown us that the game already looks great and we can count on it getting better. We have Microsoft first-party games like Forza running in 4K and 60 frames-per-second, so we know the power is there to do it. It’s just up to BioWare to get as much optimization out of the console as possible. We’re excited to see where this goes because we’d like to see Microsoft hit it out of the park with their Xbox One X."

Well we had Forza 5 and 6 running at 1080p 60fps on the original Xbox One console, so where were all the 1080p 60fps games? Again, using Forza as an example for what's to come hasn't worked in the past, and it will continue to not work in the future.

Also, is this setting up the "lazy devs" defense? That's what this feels like.

If 3rd party don't maximize the power of Xbox one X, I don't see the value of getting Xbox One X if you already have a high-end PC like you have do you agree?

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@davillain- said:
@goldenelementxl said:
@kuu2 said:

From the article.

"Anthem is still in the alpha stages, so we can see this get cleaned up before the game’s official release next year. The trailer has shown us that the game already looks great and we can count on it getting better. We have Microsoft first-party games like Forza running in 4K and 60 frames-per-second, so we know the power is there to do it. It’s just up to BioWare to get as much optimization out of the console as possible. We’re excited to see where this goes because we’d like to see Microsoft hit it out of the park with their Xbox One X."

Well we had Forza 5 and 6 running at 1080p 60fps on the original Xbox One console, so where were all the 1080p 60fps games? Again, using Forza as an example for what's to come hasn't worked in the past, and it will continue to not work in the future.

Also, is this setting up the "lazy devs" defense? That's what this feels like.

If 3rd party don't maximize the power of Xbox one X, I don't see the value of getting Xbox One X if you already have a high-end PC like you have do you agree?

I don't see why would you buy an XB1X if you have a "high-end" PC, and prefer PC... unless you want a powerful console as a supplementary device that is. And can take advantage of Xbox Play Anywhere :)

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#39  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@hrt_rulz01: I was never interested in Power when this gen started. I wanted to play the newest games from what Sony/MS had to offer and it's why i went out and buy PS4/Xbox One and this was before when MS started Xbox Play Anywhere program.

Edit: And I get the feeling 3rd party are just gonna get lazy by not taking advantages what Xbox One X can do.

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@cainetao11: my eyes man, I will get you for this

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Cows clinging to Alpha builds of games now.

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you guys KNOW that high-end PC's can barely do 4K well on a 20" screen and you expect the X1X to do it adequately on a 50+" screen?

and you know the thing that bugs me about this, the whole time, they've been talking about resolution, resolution, resolution....what about detail, settings, and capability? You know, prettier explosions, better AI, faster load times, better networking, and stuff like that. Things that *gasp* matter.

With all that said...game's not out yet. Don't get yer panties in a bunch.

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#44  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@metalslimenite said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

you guys KNOW that high-end PC's can barely do 4K well and you expect the X1X to do it adequately?

For a year now, lemmings have been bragging about how the Scorpio would save humanity from starvation, send astronauts to Pluto, discover cold fusion and drop a piano on Donald Trump, so naturally folks will make fun of it when it doesn't deliver.

I just wish people would learn to say "I like to game on it, and that's OK" and laugh at people when they take it seriously.

I suppose they do bring it on themselves.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

you guys KNOW that high-end PC's can barely do 4K well on a 20" screen and you expect the X1X to do it adequately on a 50+" screen?

and you know the thing that bugs me about this, the whole time, they've been talking about resolution, resolution, resolution....what about detail, settings, and capability? You know, prettier explosions, better AI, faster load times, better networking, and stuff like that. Things that *gasp* matter.

With all that said...game's not out yet. Don't get yer panties in a bunch.

You are aware that the gamer community is who these companies react to, right? "1080p will make you a better gamer" is what Sony told people. Why? It wasn't because of all the outcry over ugly explosions, lousy AI, slow load times or networking. Its because gamers made a fvcking talking point about 900p and dynamic res on QB and the like. So both companies put out stronger boxes, one says Dynamic 4K and the other says True 4k because we the community made resolution an issue.

Lems said resolution wasn't a big deal when cows pointed and laughed, it all flipped when we knew X1X would be stronger than Pro, cows then said resolution doesn't matter, now that devs aren't going to use the power of the X1X for just resolution and they aren't mandated to, resolution matters again. It is a playground of kids arguing and we created it ourselves.

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#46  Edited By mrbojangles25
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@cainetao11 said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

you guys KNOW that high-end PC's can barely do 4K well on a 20" screen and you expect the X1X to do it adequately on a 50+" screen?

and you know the thing that bugs me about this, the whole time, they've been talking about resolution, resolution, resolution....what about detail, settings, and capability? You know, prettier explosions, better AI, faster load times, better networking, and stuff like that. Things that *gasp* matter.

With all that said...game's not out yet. Don't get yer panties in a bunch.

You are aware that the gamer community is who these companies react to, right? "1080p will make you a better gamer" is what Sony told people. Why? It wasn't because of all the outcry over ugly explosions, lousy AI, slow load times or networking. Its because gamers made a fvcking talking point about 900p and dynamic res on QB and the like. So both companies put out stronger boxes, one says Dynamic 4K and the other says True 4k because we the community made resolution an issue.

Lems said resolution wasn't a big deal when cows pointed and laughed, it all flipped when we knew X1X would be stronger than Pro, cows then said resolution doesn't matter, now that devs aren't going to use the power of the X1X for just resolution and they aren't mandated to, resolution matters again. It is a playground of kids arguing and we created it ourselves.

yeah and the teachers (Sony, Microsoft, etc) are betting on what kids win the fight lol

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@mrbojangles25 said:
@cainetao11 said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

you guys KNOW that high-end PC's can barely do 4K well on a 20" screen and you expect the X1X to do it adequately on a 50+" screen?

and you know the thing that bugs me about this, the whole time, they've been talking about resolution, resolution, resolution....what about detail, settings, and capability? You know, prettier explosions, better AI, faster load times, better networking, and stuff like that. Things that *gasp* matter.

With all that said...game's not out yet. Don't get yer panties in a bunch.

You are aware that the gamer community is who these companies react to, right? "1080p will make you a better gamer" is what Sony told people. Why? It wasn't because of all the outcry over ugly explosions, lousy AI, slow load times or networking. Its because gamers made a fvcking talking point about 900p and dynamic res on QB and the like. So both companies put out stronger boxes, one says Dynamic 4K and the other says True 4k because we the community made resolution an issue.

Lems said resolution wasn't a big deal when cows pointed and laughed, it all flipped when we knew X1X would be stronger than Pro, cows then said resolution doesn't matter, now that devs aren't going to use the power of the X1X for just resolution and they aren't mandated to, resolution matters again. It is a playground of kids arguing and we created it ourselves.

yeah and the teachers (Sony, Microsoft, etc) are betting on what kids win the fight lol

We all win with fights like this.

Better tech means better games.

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#48  Edited By deactivated-6092a2d005fba
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@metalslimenite said:
@mrbojangles25 said:

you guys KNOW that high-end PC's can barely do 4K well and you expect the X1X to do it adequately?

For a year now, lemmings have been bragging about how the Scorpio would save humanity from starvation, send astronauts to Pluto, discover cold fusion and drop a piano on Donald Trump, so naturally folks will make fun of it when it doesn't deliver.

You forgot the word "some" and I challenge you to find where I have been bragging about it mr dudebro.

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#49 PinkAnimal
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Lol so lemmings are paying $100 for the same checkerboard 4k they made so much fun of LMFAO. Lemmings talk too much before having facts at their disposal, they fall too much for Microsoft's phony hype so easily. There are some lemmings still right now trying to defend how the X1X is like a 1070 and according to Antwan the vast majority of games will be native 4k. Imagine, if this is happening already with early games, with new more advanced games coming the following years will be even worse. Lemmings should really learn to not talk so much and to read between the lines of Microsoft's bs. Come on guys, it's not that hard.

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#50 thehig1
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@BassMan: it is, and console targets is more like 4k/20-30fps

Main reason I've not been able to go back to console games was because I adjusted to 60fps, when I tried a console title locked at 30fps (often dipping below) I couldn't re adjust.