devs that care more about bribes than its fans

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#1 Edited by Gue1 (12171 posts) -

aka, Crystal Dynamics.

What do you think about that?

Is that a good business model?

They sell a remaster on multiple platforms

then make the sequel timed exclusive to just one platform

and then after getting their paycheck they release the game on all the other consoles for more profit.

It's like they are triple dipping. They are taking full advantage of gamer's gullibility.

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#2 Posted by freedomfreak (49894 posts) -

Money.

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#3 Edited by delta3074 (19951 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

aka, Crystal Dynamics.

What do you think about that?

Is that a good business model?

They sell a remaster on multiple platforms

then make the sequel timed exclusive to just one platform

and then after getting their paycheck they release the game on all the other consoles for more profit.

It's like they are triple dipping. They are taking full advantage of gamer's gullibility.

Don't ever start your own business dude, this is business 101, it's not up to the company to change it's ways, Gamers should be less gullible

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#4 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (19564 posts) -

Publishers care more about Bribes than their fans... Not Developers.

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#5 Posted by ghostwarrior786 (5811 posts) -

hahaha wow ms really struck a nerve with this tr deal. if u want to play it so badly just buy a godbox

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#6 Posted by DEadliNE-Zero0 (6607 posts) -

Welcome to business son.

They risked the millions to research, develop, market and release the first game. You enjoyed it, they got payd/ received the profits.

Now they fell it's better it's more risk evasive to take money from another company for the sequel. They own the IP, they can do what they want with it.

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#7 Posted by intotheminx (2579 posts) -

Sounds more like business to me.

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#8 Posted by Heil68 (57859 posts) -

Not in SONY's case. They have become the gen 8 leader by following the by gamers FOR gamers mantra, then coupling it with Live, Learn and Love.

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#9 Posted by Legend002 (13374 posts) -

CDprojekt whole PR motto is about the fans. That's about the only company that does that though which is unfortunate.

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#10 Posted by DEadliNE-Zero0 (6607 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

Not in SONY's case. They have become the gen 8 leader by following the by gamers FOR gamers mantra, then coupling it with Live, Learn and Love.

Tell'em Heil.

Praise Jesus Drake

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#11 Edited by shadiezz2012 (2474 posts) -

it's stupid and wrong but it's business

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#12 Posted by Devil-Itachi (4384 posts) -

Seriously? Sony fans really need to stop with the entitled nonsense. It makes perfect business sense, it's nothing against anyone.

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#13 Edited by Heil68 (57859 posts) -

@deadline-zero0 said:

@Heil68 said:

Not in SONY's case. They have become the gen 8 leader by following the by gamers FOR gamers mantra, then coupling it with Live, Learn and Love.

Tell'em Heil.

Praise Jesus Drake

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#14 Edited by parkurtommo (28295 posts) -

Umm, if I were a dev, and dipped my head in to any random video game forum, I would DEFINITELY not give a single shit about fans.

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#15 Posted by GTSaiyanjin2 (6018 posts) -

won't be buying anymore TR games... just because I won't know if its sequels will come out on the same platform... I could get temple of osiris, but its sequal could come out exclusively on ouya. So **** SE.

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#16 Edited by nintendoboy16 (33738 posts) -

@Devil-Itachi said:

Seriously? Sony fans really need to stop with the entitled nonsense. It makes perfect business sense, it's nothing against anyone.

The funny thing is, they were OKAY with Sony pulling tactics like this in the PS2 era and would still be okay with it this gen if Sony was still doing it.

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#17 Posted by charizard1605 (82661 posts) -

It's called being a business.

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#18 Posted by Legend002 (13374 posts) -

@charizard1605: That's such a great synonym for dbag.

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#19 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162189 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

Publishers care more about Bribes than their fans... Not Developers.

Uh no devs care about money as well. Don't be fooled thinking they don't.

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#20 Edited by zeeshanhaider (5524 posts) -

Funny you forget to mention FROM software.

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#21 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162189 posts) -

@Legend002 said:

@charizard1605: That's such a great synonym for dbag.

He's not wrong and you're not wrong. Business is in for themselves. Which is why we have things like regulations and unions.

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#22 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (19564 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic

I said bribes... Not money....

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#23 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162189 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@LJS9502_basic

I said bribes... Not money....

If pubs didn't exist then the devs would be making the deals...ie bribes as you call it. Stop assuming they are innocent. Sometimes yes....particularly when EA is involved. But not overall....not always. Hell one can say signing with pubs is a type of "bribe".

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#24 Posted by cainetao11 (32733 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

aka, Crystal Dynamics.

What do you think about that?

Is that a good business model?

They sell a remaster on multiple platforms

then make the sequel timed exclusive to just one platform

and then after getting their paycheck they release the game on all the other consoles for more profit.

It's like they are triple dipping. They are taking full advantage of gamer's gullibility.

Taking this a little bit too seriously? Well if a company gives me money during the development of a game, seems it only makes sense they get something for adding to the dev pool. Its a business model that has been used in every industry for generations. Why do some of you expect gaming to not be a big business?

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#26 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162189 posts) -
@farrell2k said:

Man, all this crying is making me tear up...

All you have to do it ignore it and not buy the game.

Shhh....the crying entertains me.

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#27 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (19564 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic

If Publishers didn't exist then Studios shut down.

I never said they were innocent.

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#28 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30064 posts) -

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

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#29 Posted by Ross_the_Boss6 (3759 posts) -

Funny. When I first read the news, I thought it was no big deal. When did this turn into the crime of the century?

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#30 Posted by GhoX (6267 posts) -

Crystal Dynamics is a subsidiary of Square Enix.

The decision of any large public company is ALWAYS driven by profit. There is no other reason, and anything perceived as an alternative reason would still have the ulterior motive of profit. Large public companies are owned by lots of people, most of them simply consider it another investment option and bear no particular fondness towards games or fans. They'd only ever act in a way that is perceived favourably by fans, when they believe/convinced by directors that doing so is more profitable than another action.

This is the nature of business. It's also one of the reasons why Valve is a shining beacon in this age of highly commercialised gaming. Valve remains a privately owned company, and has a much firmer rein over its directions, unlike public companies that can only ever be glued to profit.

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#31 Posted by clr84651 (5634 posts) -

Game devs are becoming too money grubbing.

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#32 Posted by clr84651 (5634 posts) -

@charizard1605 said:

It's called being a business.

There a multiple ways to do business. Taking a bribe is the crappy way.

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#33 Edited by Legend002 (13374 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

Not really. MS are screwing fans but the fans that are being screwed aren't their fans. They are simply bringing exclusive content to Xbox owners. The hate should be directed at Square Enix. They are the one screwing the majority of their own fans. TR is much more favorable in the Playstation ecosystem.

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#34 Posted by hehe101 (730 posts) -

The fumes... Still going strong.

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#35 Posted by zassimick (10407 posts) -

I like to think that the developers would utilize that money from a deal like this Crystal Dynamics/Microsoft one to make the game even better than what they could on their original budget.

Not saying this is the case, but if it is wouldn't an exclusivity deal like this one actually be good for the fans, the game overall, and the developers? Like Nintendo's deal with Platinum for Bayonetta 2, that game may not have even been made if it weren't for Nintendo. Sure, it's exclusive, but if they had a vision for a sequel isn't it better that this deal was made than it not?

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#36 Posted by jsmoke03 (13696 posts) -

they did nothing illegal, they are still releasing a game for both consoles eventually...whats the problem?

if its "i can only afford 1 console" then just wait. jeez its not like these guys will make games for free...they have to make business decisions to support their own well being and families. im just glad that im going to be able to play it.

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#37 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162189 posts) -

@Legend002 said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

Not really. MS are screwing fans but the fans that are being screwed aren't their fans. They are simply bringing exclusive content to Xbox owners. The hate should be directed at Square Enix. They are the one screwing the majority of their own fans. TR is much more favorable in the Playstation ecosystem.

Giving the devs a pass since we don't know how much was their decision.....both the pubs AND MS are guilty. MS knows this isn't good for gaming in it's entirety but they don't care. If they could have the (almost) monopoly on games like they do with their OS they'd be happy.

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#38 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30064 posts) -

@Legend002 said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

Not really. MS are screwing fans but the fans that are being screwed aren't their fans. They are simply bringing exclusive content to Xbox owners. The hate should be directed at Square Enix. They are the one screwing the majority of their own fans. TR is much more favorable in the Playstation ecosystem.

They aren't bringing exclusive content since the game was coming over anyway. It's not an achievement for Xbox One owners because the PS4 doesn't get this game. If I owned an Xbox One I would be disappointed in them doing this - it wastes money securing a game that the Xbox One was getting anyway, rather than trying to develop new games in their very disappointing first party.

I agree with what you said WRT Square-Enix but that doesn't relieve Microsoft of blame.

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#39 Edited by Legend002 (13374 posts) -

As long as you take care of your gamers then it's fine imo. This is coming from a Sony guy btw.

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#40 Posted by Lulu_Lulu (19564 posts) -

@Aljosa23

Microsoft is suppose to be doing everything they can to further their sales.... Thats just good business, the hate should go to Eidos and Square Enix for making a shortsighted deal. Thats gona have long term consequences.

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#41 Posted by Legend002 (13374 posts) -

@Aljosa23: It's all assumptions.

Mass Effect 2 took about a year to appear on PS3. Splinter Cell Conviction on the other hand never left Microsoft. We just don't really know for sure what the deal is. I am skeptical.

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#42 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30064 posts) -

@Lulu_Lulu said:

@Aljosa23

Microsoft is suppose to be doing everything they can to further their sales.... Thats just good business, the hate should go to Eidos and Square Enix for making a shortsighted deal. Thats gona have long term consequences.

I get that so nothing you're saying here is all that compelling. I just don't care about their business perspective. Is it a good idea for them to do this? Probably, I don't know. I am speaking as a consumer and that's really the only point of view that matters to me.

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#43 Posted by bezza2011 (2729 posts) -

Timed Exclusive so why bother buying an X1 when you know it's only exclusive to give Xbox Fans something to look forward to when people are playing Uncharted and then a few months later PS4 and PC fans will get it, win win for everyone in the end,

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#44 Posted by kingtito (9027 posts) -

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

So all the those new games coming out on top of one of the most iconic characters in video game history is a bad thing now even if it's a timed exclusive?

Keep the butthurt flowing cows(not directed towards you Aljosa)......it's hilarious. You are't known as the jokes of SWs for nothing.

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#45 Posted by blackace (23576 posts) -

@Gue1 said:

aka, Crystal Dynamics.

What do you think about that?

Is that a good business model?

They sell a remaster on multiple platforms

then make the sequel timed exclusive to just one platform

and then after getting their paycheck they release the game on all the other consoles for more profit.

It's like they are triple dipping. They are taking full advantage of gamer's gullibility.

Triple H: It's what's best for business.

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#46 Posted by LJS9502_basic (162189 posts) -

@kingtito said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

So all the those new games coming out on top of one of the most iconic characters in video game history is a bad thing now even if it's a timed exclusive?

Keep the butthurt flowing cows(not directed towards you Aljosa)......it's hilarious. You are't known as the jokes of SWs for nothing.

What a silly comment. You quote aljosa and the insult others as though they made the comment. Anyway...he's right. MS doesn't have many exclusives. They should invest in more.

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#47 Posted by speedfreak48t5p (12687 posts) -

@Heil68 said:

Not in SONY's case. They have become the gen 8 leader by following the by gamers FOR gamers mantra, then coupling it with Live, Learn and Love.

Sony's on a roll with their incredible console and world class, award winning exclusives.

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#48 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30064 posts) -

@kingtito said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

So all the those new games coming out on top of one of the most iconic characters in video game history is a bad thing now even if it's a timed exclusive?

My issue is that they paid money for a game that was already coming to the platform, rather than using it to help revive their first party studios. Helping CD make a completely new title would have been more interesting to me.

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#49 Posted by kingtito (9027 posts) -

@LJS9502_basic said:

@Legend002 said:

@Aljosa23 said:

Why the hate against Crystal Dynamics? The hate should be directed to Microsoft (from Xbone owners) for not investing in new games but choosing to acquire exclusive rights to a known property.

Not really. MS are screwing fans but the fans that are being screwed aren't their fans. They are simply bringing exclusive content to Xbox owners. The hate should be directed at Square Enix. They are the one screwing the majority of their own fans. TR is much more favorable in the Playstation ecosystem.

Giving the devs a pass since we don't know how much was their decision.....both the pubs AND MS are guilty. MS knows this isn't good for gaming in it's entirety but they don't care. If they could have the (almost) monopoly on games like they do with their OS they'd be happy.

And how is this bad for gaming? Do you get all upset when Sony secures an exclusive or when they did this in the past with the PS2? Was it good for business when MGS4 was PS3 exclusive even though it was a Konami game? Are you just being the typical butthurt hypocritical cow?

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#50 Posted by blackace (23576 posts) -
@Devil-Itachi said:

Seriously? Sony fans really need to stop with the entitled nonsense. It makes perfect business sense, it's nothing against anyone.

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