Death Stranding is pretty awful

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#251 lundy86_4
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Picked it up today, because I said i'd give it at least a fair shake. Won't be starting it until tomorrow.

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#252 I_P_Daily
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@Bread_or_Decide said:

I love other people telling me how I feel about something and that I'm faking it.

The only person that's allowed to tell me that I'm faking it, is my wife, all right, buddy.

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@Bread_or_Decide said:

35 HOURS IN...

The game is tough. If you plan poorly, you'll fail. If you carry too many items, you'll fail. When you make that delivery, there's no greater feeling. I love leaving behind all the the items that helped me make the journey, knowing it will ease someone else's burden.

The story has had me memorized since the start. The game loop is addictive and once I'm done with the story I'm eager to go back and do the side quest deliveries.

Always ping your BB to scan the area. Water too deep? Don't go in. Hill too steep? Don't chance it. If you fall, it's your fault.

It's walking and item management in a world unlike any other in video games.

Loving it. My brother just beat it, it's his first kojima game, and he had nothing but great things to say once his journey was over.

Can't wait to meet him at the finish line. At my own pace...of course.

Teh feelz….

Your post comes across as you're trying to convince yourself that its good lol.

I'm not telling you anything other than how your post comes across, which to ME is like you're trying to convince yourself as well as everyone else. Maybe don't try so hard next time :)

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#253 getyeryayasout
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The people making the most noise about the game, haven't played it.

What is it about Kojima?

He drives people nuts...like a chauffeur for testicles.

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#254 phbz
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I'm in 80h and just on chapter 6... For the last 20h or so the game stopped feeling like a roller coaster. The highs don't feel so high, but the bads don't feel so bad neither. Just feels like something I can play forever as a time sinker.

The game is actually pretty deep mechanically, and supports a wide variety of approaches. I can't really get bored because every time I change my play the game has answers. But it clearly has some problems, like boss fights being slow and way too easy, attacking mULE camps is also too easy, same with BTs. Plus the bad writing. There's definitely a lot of editing and balancing lacking here. But I believe this game will be a cult classic.

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#255 UItravioIence
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This might be my goty. Game is seriously addicting.

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#256 Chutebox
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@uitravioience: Im about 18 hours into it and on episode 3. Not sure if that's far or not, but I'm always doing standard deliveries... just one more!

People.helping build roads.helps soooo much.

Mules are annoying though

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#257 Bread_or_Decide
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@i_p_daily: Sounds like thats your problem not mine.

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#258 Robbie23
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@Chutebox: Wait until you unlock premium orders, getting double SS rank on every mission is addictive. I'm doing a platinum playthrough with currently 60% completion.

I'm actually really enjoying this game and believe the majority of negative meta critic user reviews are by people who have not even played the game.

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#259  Edited By Chutebox
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@robbie23 said:

@Chutebox: Wait until you unlock premium orders, getting double SS rank on every mission is addictive. I'm doing a platinum playthrough with currently 60% completion.

I'm actually really enjoying this game and believe the majority of negative meta critic user reviews are by people who have not even played the game.

Literally just unlocked this when I stopped playing last night.

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#260 Bread_or_Decide
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@robbie23: Premium orders? Wwhhaaa!!!

There’s so much game here.

Beat it today,45 hours, only finished main quest deliveries.

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#261 Chutebox
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@Bread_or_Decide: dude episode 3 and I got premium haha.

You didn't through the whole game?

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#262 Bread_or_Decide
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@Chutebox: I don’t think I did.

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#263  Edited By MirkoS77
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@getyeryayasout said:

The people making the most noise about the game, haven't played it.

What is it about Kojima?

He drives people nuts...like a chauffeur for testicles.

It's because his games, while very technically proficient and for the most part extremely competently designed (at least going by the MGS series as I've not played Stranding yet) are otherwise teenage fantasy, preachy, pretentious, infantile jr. college tryhard shit. The guy can design a game far and above others, but he is an incompetent story teller. He'd best stay far away from cinema because it's only the defining characteristic of gaming's medium he grasps so well that is his saving grace from being a complete laughing stock if it were absent. Yet people are practically cultish akin to Trumpism in their adoration and devotion to him, proclaiming that anyone that can't understand his convoluted, pseudo-intellectual prepubescent trash just aren't intellectually enlightened enough themselves, that the medium hasn't caught up with his genius, or some other excuse that attempts to lay the blame everywhere else other than it should be.

Which makes me curious: does Stranding even have a coherent story? Does it make any sense whatsoever? Or does Kojima pull every possible idea from the ether as usual to throw into a pot, mix it with a splash of virgin fantasy, juvenile scat humor, add a dash of salt, and then have his sycophants try desperately to serve and pass it off as the next profound breakthrough in philosophical thought? If so, I could use a good laugh.

Sorry for the rant yas, but I can't stand the accolades Kojima gets for his narratives. They are nothing but grade school tier garbage. He deserves praise for his game design (again, speaking only about MGS), but for everything else he deserves to be mercilessly mocked and laughed at.

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#264 Sn0man
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This game is hot garbage.

That's what I was hearing before it came out. Thanks for confirming.

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#265 lundy86_4
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Just up to Chapter 3, so not really too far. As usual, the story is completely out-to-lunch, but i've actually had a bit of fun in the short spurts i've played. It's definitely not MGS1/3-tier, but it's okay.

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#266 Phazevariance
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Chapter 3 is basically the start of the game. Chapters 1 and 2 are like the tutorial map.

I'm about 60h in, and just near the end of the game now. It's actually been pretty fun. When you leave a distro center and it says "have a safe journey" it very often does feel like a journey. Since the game does have stats (not sure if you can view them or not) you do get upgrades to things like stamina and balance, so traversing the land becomes a lot easier as you progress through the game. Guns are definitely not the main focus here and I believe you get negatively impacted for using lethal force.

I'd say it's a good 8/10 but the flaws prevent me from giving it anything higher than that. If you come into the game expecting to just run from point to point, you're likely going to have a bad time. The game is 50% preparation, and 50% the journey.

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#267  Edited By lundy86_4
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@Phazevariance: You do increase stats based upon your level of each thing on the pentagram. Sorry, still new to the game... Apparently different levels affect different things like stamina/weight capacity.

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#268 Chutebox
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Also get things that make carrying easier (exo).

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#269 Mozelleple112
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47 hours into this game and still on Episode 3. Are the other episodes as big??? Enjoying the hell out of this game even though it's the worst Kojima game I've played, it doesn't say much considering he has made at least two 10/10 games:p

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#270 KillzoneSnake
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Metacritic just deleted thousands of negative reviews to increase the score before the Kojima Awards.

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#271 SecretPolice
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:P

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#272  Edited By Jag85  Online
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@KillzoneSnake said:

Metacritic just deleted thousands of negative reviews to increase the score before the Kojima Awards.

As they should. They did the same for Astral Chain. They'll probably do the same for Pokemon Sword & Shield next. That's what they should do for all review-bombs from now on. That should send a clear message to review-bombers that their dirty tactics will be rejected. Rotten Tomatoes went a step further, and now only show verified user ratings for new movies.

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#273 cainetao11
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@KillzoneSnake said:

Metacritic just deleted thousands of negative reviews to increase the score before the Kojima Awards.

LOL Pure bias. They haven't removed any for Forza 7.

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#274  Edited By uninspiredcup
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#275  Edited By phbz
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Finally beat the game. 112h, level 323.

Overall I enjoyed it. Core game is good and it creates great moments of emergent gameplay that never get old all the way through. Never got bored to be honest, built all the roads, made an impressive zip line, attacked camps, and so on. There's enough variety to the way one choses to play.

The online component works well enough, but it's not what I'd call a golden moment in gaming as Journey was.But it does feel great occasionally. Combat situations are perhaps the weakest component of the game, boss fights are particularly mediocre.

The writing it's just too awful. Like, the story is dumb but OK yet the narrative is just so bad, it takes overexposition to a level I've never seen before and most of the time for stuff not that good or worth the time. The characters within the narrative are fine, but the construction of their narrative arch is pretty terrible. I think the biggest challenge in gaming is how to intertwine narrative into gameplay and DS is pretty terrible at that. Kojima goes so far with his attempts of emotional exploitation that just made me numb and indifferent. Even BB, didn't connect emotionally at all with. Fragile was my favourite character, great voice acting and facial animations.

But on the other hand it shines in connecting the player to the world. Here Kojima absolutely nails it. Gives vibes of Inarritu's The Revenant for its man Vs nature theme. And there's plenty of movie influences going on here. The beach takes me to the 7th Seal, BTs remind me of Kairo. The Road and even Mad Max are obvious inspirations too. And that all would be great if Kojima was good at writing. Death Stranding shows Kojima is a brilliant game designer and a mediocre writer. And sadly the mediocre writing trickles down to gameplay it self.

A good game with severe issues. I'll give it a 7.5 but believe it's a game that won't be forgotten as quickly as some higher rated games will. Mostly because although there's a lot of bad here there's also enough moments where its emergent gameplay is an absolute triumph. Not exaggerating really, there was plenty of times when after a situation was over I just took a break to think about the complexity of all that went down and how satisfying that was.

Technically is great. Graphics good, sound design great. Music ok but it's a matter of taste, to me it felt derivative but still enjoyable. Level design/morphology are great too, but the world lacks the surprises and variety of something like a BotW.

tldr:

7.5, still I'll recommend anyone to try it.

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#276  Edited By Litchie
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@phbz: Best review of DS I've ever read. 👍

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#277 phbz
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@Litchie: Thanks. Just noticed a lot of typos!

It's certainly a provocative game that invites debate, not always for the best reasons.

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#278  Edited By Bluestars
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Metacritic HaH

A shit game is a shit game if you think it’s a shit game

“A special kinda stupid” or people who judge a game by other people’s opinions as they are also known

HAH

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#279 hrt_rulz01
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@uninspiredcup said:

LMAO!

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#280 cainetao11
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@bluestars: I agree. But that never flew here with Xbox games. That’s SW for ya

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#281 pdogg93
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@cainetao11: that’s because A majority of Xbox games have universally been regarded as shit.

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#283  Edited By cainetao11
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@pdogg93: but so have most of your posts

Clearly some people are incapable of NOT NEEDING the approval of strangers. I say if crackdown/DS makes ya happy good on ya.