David Cage on Kara: "My Next PS3 Games Will Look Even Better"

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#1 Blazerdt47
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Well I can't wait to see what they have next for PS3. :D

David Cage on Kara: 'My next PS3 games will look even better' Tech has "evolved" since stunning GDC demo, creator reveals

Yesterday Heavy Rain creator David Cage blew GDC's socks off with astunning PlayStation 3 demoshowcasing his studio's new game engine.

But, speaking to CVG, the French design artiste claimed the final PS3 games running on the technology will look even better...

"Kara was made a year ago, so the technology has evolved a lot since then," the Quantic Dream head told CVG at GDC. "We've worked a lot on the cinematography, we've worked a lot on lens flares, on diffraction and how the light plays on the optic... We're playing with all these things, so I think that the next games - whatever they are - are going to look much better than Kara."

Although Kara is just a tech demo (Cage asked us to write down 'this isn't my next game' in big letters), the designer said he's already learnt a lot from its ability to use full body motion capture to tell a story.

"We learned the importance of working with actors, the importance of rehearsing - all the things that went through body language," he explained.

"We thought that each time a character had something to say they should say it vocally, in words and dialogue, but actually when you start playing with full performance capture, there's a lot you can say without any words.

"It's like discovering a new area that we had totally ignored. It gives you a lot of subtlety and the possibility to have nuances that were not available in games before."

The impressive Kara technology, he said, offers players an approach to emotion in games not possible in Heavy Rain.

The success of films like Avatar also play a part in the progression of this kind of story-based gaming, he added, claiming that five years ago Hollywood actors would "no way" agree to motion capture acting.

"If you spoke to Hollywood actors maybe five years ago, and told them about motion capture they would ask just what you were talking about," he said. "Since Avatar they all understand that this is respectable too. That they can do this and still be an actor.

"They understand how the world is changing, and how their work is changing. Today it's really easy to go to Hollywood and talk to talented actors (famous and not famous) and say that you're doing the same thing. Five years ago, they'd have said 'No way'. Now: 'Why not? Show me the script.'"

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"[The technology] gives you more realism," he continued. "It allows you to work with the emotion. It lets you have real actors in a very different way to before. I've never thought that realism was an end or a goal in itself: it's one approach to emotion.

"Pixar showed that they can make you feel passionate and emotionally engaged in plastic toys, so I think you can have non-realistic rendering - and that's fine - but with Kara and Heavy Rain this is the direction we want to explore, as we think that we have a lot to learn with realistic rendering before we can go to non-realistic rendering."

However, not to put the importance of technology over a good story, the designer emphasizes that he sees the game engine as simply the delivery methods for the script, acting performances and characters built by the game team.

Even PlayStation 4 would only make a difference in polygons, he claims.

"Of course you always have a platform in mind. At the same time, all this is really from the mantel - whether it's on PlayStation 3, 4, 5 or 6 the process of writing a good script, working with actors, building characters etc...

"In the future we'll do it with more polys and more textures, but fundamentally what we learn right now will remain consistent."

Stay tuned for the full David Cage interview, to be published in the coming days.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339089/features/david-cage-on-kara-my-next-ps3-games-will-look-even-better/

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#2 finalstar2007
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woho excited i am!

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#3 Joedgabe
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TL;DR

But Feel like commenting. I know it's something about Heavy Rain director I hope the game is good and i'm glad there are different type of games out there (: I actually enjoyed heavy rain one of my favorites this gen.

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Sounds cool, but I'm more of a believe it when I see it person. If the games looks as awesome as he says it will then I expect to see that when I buy it. I wont allow myself to get hyped before hand.

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Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

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Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

Slashless

Heavy Rain > Metal Gear 1-4 > Twilight > Insert Something here > Metal Gear Rising

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#7 Slashless
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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

Joedgabe

Heavy Rain > Metal Gear 1-4 > Twilight > Insert Something here > Metal Gear Rising

Your math is f*cked.

It's

MGS2>MGS4>MGS3>MG Rising>MGS1>TWilight>Insert Something Here>LoosingENDS>Heavy Rain

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#8 EPaul
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lol @ slashless comment


Hopefully he'l show us at E3

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[QUOTE="Joedgabe"]

[QUOTE="Slashless"]

Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

Slashless

Heavy Rain > Metal Gear 1-4 > Twilight > Insert Something here > Metal Gear Rising

Your math is f*cked.

It's

MGS2>MGS4>MGS3>MG Rising>MGS1>TWilight>Insert Something Here>LoosingENDS>Heavy Rain

I think this is what you call the difference between college and highschool level math.

It was an honest mistake he made.

I'm also a fan of Heavy Rain, but come on? Cant compare to MGS.

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#10 Slashless
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lol @ slashless comment

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Can't stop me I'm an MVP

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The 'my next PS3 game' is the only thing that stuck out. Hello ego.
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[QUOTE="skrat_01"]The 'my next PS3 game' is the only thing that stuck out. Hello ego.

lol I didn't realize he programmed his games all by himself. What a Renaissance man.
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Heavy Rain was so bad.

It's one of those games you play and you think it's really good at the time, but then when you are done you look back and say " wow that was not very fun, and made little sense." Like LA Noire but not as polished and with a story with more holes than swiss cheese.

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I hope that by "better", he means "better-looking people".
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Glad that people will start jumping the David Cage bandwagon now. Not enough people enjoyed/played Heavy Rain imo.

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What shocked me was they only used it for show....it's not even their next game So what they are saying is "kara" was just practice....damn
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[QUOTE="eboyishere"]What shocked me was they only used it for show....it's not even their next game So what they are saying is "kara" was just practice....damn

So was the 'hard rain audition' video. Though the character model was reused in Heavy Rain.
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I don't care about looking better. I want a game with the emotional connection I got in that few minute video.
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I believe it, because they're cutscenes :P

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*waits for loosingEnds to show up*

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awesome. heavy rain = one of the top 10 video games of this gen, kant want for Kara. the emotionnn in the game iz all about emotion now guys.
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obligatory "what games? all i see are movies"
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I guess it is that time of year again where more power from the cell is untapped.

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Well I can't wait to see what they have next for PS3. :D

David Cage on Kara: 'My next PS3 games will look even better' Tech has "evolved" since stunning GDC demo, creator reveals

Yesterday Heavy Rain creator David Cage blew GDC's socks off with astunning PlayStation 3 demoshowcasing his studio's new game engine.

But, speaking to CVG, the French design artiste claimed the final PS3 games running on the technology will look even better...

"Kara was made a year ago, so the technology has evolved a lot since then," the Quantic Dream head told CVG at GDC. "We've worked a lot on the cinematography, we've worked a lot on lens flares, on diffraction and how the light plays on the optic... We're playing with all these things, so I think that the next games - whatever they are - are going to look much better than Kara."

Although Kara is just a tech demo (Cage asked us to write down 'this isn't my next game' in big letters), the designer said he's already learnt a lot from its ability to use full body motion capture to tell a story.

"We learned the importance of working with actors, the importance of rehearsing - all the things that went through body language," he explained.

"We thought that each time a character had something to say they should say it vocally, in words and dialogue, but actually when you start playing with full performance capture, there's a lot you can say without any words.

"It's like discovering a new area that we had totally ignored. It gives you a lot of subtlety and the possibility to have nuances that were not available in games before."

The impressive Kara technology, he said, offers players an approach to emotion in games not possible in Heavy Rain.

The success of films like Avatar also play a part in the progression of this kind of story-based gaming, he added, claiming that five years ago Hollywood actors would "no way" agree to motion capture acting.

"If you spoke to Hollywood actors maybe five years ago, and told them about motion capture they would ask just what you were talking about," he said. "Since Avatar they all understand that this is respectable too. That they can do this and still be an actor.

"They understand how the world is changing, and how their work is changing. Today it's really easy to go to Hollywood and talk to talented actors (famous and not famous) and say that you're doing the same thing. Five years ago, they'd have said 'No way'. Now: 'Why not? Show me the script.'"

Click to view larger image

"[The technology] gives you more realism," he continued. "It allows you to work with the emotion. It lets you have real actors in a very different way to before. I've never thought that realism was an end or a goal in itself: it's one approach to emotion.

"Pixar showed that they can make you feel passionate and emotionally engaged in plastic toys, so I think you can have non-realistic rendering - and that's fine - but with Kara and Heavy Rain this is the direction we want to explore, as we think that we have a lot to learn with realistic rendering before we can go to non-realistic rendering."

However, not to put the importance of technology over a good story, the designer emphasizes that he sees the game engine as simply the delivery methods for the script, acting performances and characters built by the game team.

Even PlayStation 4 would only make a difference in polygons, he claims.

"Of course you always have a platform in mind. At the same time, all this is really from the mantel - whether it's on PlayStation 3, 4, 5 or 6 the process of writing a good script, working with actors, building characters etc...

"In the future we'll do it with more polys and more textures, but fundamentally what we learn right now will remain consistent."

Stay tuned for the full David Cage interview, to be published in the coming days.

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/339089/features/david-cage-on-kara-my-next-ps3-games-will-look-even-better/

Blazerdt47

LOL no. Console games have a lot more hurdles to leap before that statement becomes true. Get back to me when you console gamers have a game with full Ray Tracing, Tesselation, SSAO, Indirect Illumination advanced partical systems ect ect.

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LOL no. Console games have a lot more hurdles to leap before that statement becomes true. Get back to me when you console gamers have a game with full Ray Tracing, Tesselation, SSAO, Indirect Illumination advanced partical systems ect ect.

vtoshkatur
And what does that really have to do with the claim that it would look better? You don't need all that to just look better.
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KARA will appear as cameo in any of Quantric Dreams upcoming games
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KARA will appear as cameo in any of Quantric Dreams upcoming gameshippiesanta

I think it is a way of building hype for a developer that undersold on their last game. I'm thinking the same thing with The Samaratin demo.

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Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...
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Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...freedomfreak
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...freedomfreak
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:lol: anyways to keep it on track (do we even have to bother anymore?) I don't think it's about MOAR POWER as so many devs claim but a lot of new tricks they learn throughout the years. PS3 does and yes sometimes even xbox pump out games that do look better after all these years.
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No doubt it will be beyond stunning and be better than anything available on 360. Instant day 1 buy.
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[QUOTE="freedomfreak"][QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...GrayF0X786
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I don't know what happened but I won't be surprised if we see him around again.
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Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...GrayF0X786
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...kuraimen
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[QUOTE="GrayF0X786"]Hi everyone, i think playstation 3 is better becuase it has better games, blu ray, free online gaming and did i mention better games...kuraimen
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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

Joedgabe

Heavy Rain > Metal Gear 1-4 > Twilight > Insert Something here > Metal Gear Rising

Wat, Rising isn't out, and it's being dev'd by Platinum, the way I see it, it'll likely be the best game out of all of those (the best GAME, may be an inferior movie)
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I hope this "Kara" thing turns into a real game. Quantic dream has to know by now that people are talking about how awesome that trailer was. They'd be stupid not to make it into a game
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I remember when Shenmue came out on the dreamcast and Yu Suzuki had a facial demo running on the dreamcast (which is available on the shenmue passport disk of shenmue 1) and being amazed at how the eyes roll and move and the mouth and just the models having general lifelike animations and movements.
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I find the bit about the PS4 a little confusing. PS4 is just polygons, right? Weird..
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I enjoyed Heavy Rain alot 2 years ago. I'm looking forward to this.

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Make 'Kara' a game and take my money.

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Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

Slashless

I doubt it, SOny makes cut scenes, not games

Maybe as cut scenes, will be great, like Uncharted, MGS4, Heavy Rain etc

The problem is that these are not games

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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

loosingENDS

I doubt it, SOny makes cut scenes, not games

Maybe as cut scenes, will be great, like Uncharted, MGS4, Heavy Rain etc

The problem is that these are not games

well , they get reviewed here at GAMEspot. Sooo , I'm pretty sure they are games.
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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

loosingENDS

I doubt it, SOny makes cut scenes, not games

Maybe as cut scenes, will be great, like Uncharted, MGS4, Heavy Rain etc

The problem is that these are not games

>Talking about Sony made games

>Mentions MGS4

wutrudoing

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Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

Slashless

You have very low standards if that is all you want... The developer would have to literally try to make a game worse than Heavy Rain... Calling it a game is a slap in the face to hardcore gamers everywhere, it is more of an interactive movie like MGS and a bad one at that.

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#48 Slashless
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[QUOTE="Slashless"]

Hope it's better than Heavy rain.

cjuncto

You have very low standards if that is all you want... The developer would have to literally try to make a game worse than Heavy Rain... Calling it a game is a slap in the face to hardcore gamers everywhere, it is more of an interactive movie like MGS and a bad one at that.

MGS4 isn't an interactive Movie. It's a Video game with long and many cutscenes and a fair share of gameplay that can be tackled from whichever way you want it to be.