CyberPunk 2077 possibility downgraded

I really hope they don't pull this shit again I've had it with all the downgrades this generation it's false advertising and I always find it weird that the CD projekt Red fanboys will defend The Witcher's 3 downgrade but then criticize Ubisoft for it. Lets just hope the devs are talking about the gameplay and not the visuals. Graphics may not be everything but when you show that much footage of a game and get people hyped and then drop the graphics quality it's a massive let down Cyberpunk 2077 main strength is it's atmosphere and graphics.

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/cyberpunk-2077-developer-i-would-say-that-the-game-is-pretty-different-to-what-we-shown-last-year/

They said different.... not downgraded. But who knows.

Meh. I generally don’t get too bent out of shape when games get downgraded from what they looked like when first shown off. Even if Cyberpunk 2077 gets downgraded I’m sure it will still look great graphically and be an excellent game overall.

The whole trailer had a disclaimer about not being a final product. The developers were pretty clear about it and even said that the polemics about the Witcher 3 downgrade made them have second thoughts on releasing early game footage. But even after all this I'm pretty sure some gamers will find a way to be offended, because of course they will.

Anyway, I wonder if the PS will be the only platform censuring the game. That would be a big stain on Sony at the end of the gen.

The witcher 3, even with a "downgrade", was a marvel. Besides, on PC you can just mod it to look however you want.

I trust CDPR.

graphics are only good thing about CDPR. thier gameplay suck. no hope for cyberpunk.

Well the graphics will be downgraded... They almost always are to some degree, a lot of developers HAVE to do in order to get a game running at a steady frame rate last thing you want a is a 2x performance difference going from area to area usually the first things to be dropped is the level of detail and the lighting simply because depending on the area/scene the lighting can kill performance along with the level of detail with Cyberpunk the lighting and level of detail may be fine in a small room or building complex but the moment you go into a busy scene filled with 100 or so moving NPC the level of detail and lighting if its too advance will destroy the performance regardless of the gpu you have.

Just look at the scene where they take the elevator down... That will not look like that, sure maybe if 1080/30 was the target with a 8-10 TFLOP GPU but with current and next generation consoles targeting 4K that are will undoubtedly change and the lighting in general will get worse. This will also affect PC as I am sure this won't just be a drop in setting for consoles but a change made during the development of the game.

Here is a example below from The Witcher 3: Lighting and level of detail where the biggest change.

The mods I've seen can never match that E3 Demo and I don't trust CDPR hell I don't trust any game company nobody should.

Yeah, my burger at McDonalds was downgraded too!

The outrage! To think they lured me into thinking what is advertised is exactly what I am going to get. Next you'll be telling me that cool red sports car is not going to get me laid.

It's not about trust, it is about realistic expectations.

In other words, trusting yourself to keep things in perspective. Do you really think current-gen hardware will make the game look that nice in a non-demo environment?

Look, I don't like it any more than you, I wish we got what was advertised, but the truth is we A.) sort of do get what is advertised, and B.) need to realize that the ads convey a version of the truth.

@warmblur: There are E3 reshade mods to make it look like the E3 demo. There are other mods (HD textures, lighting mods, effects mods, etc.) that make it look dramatically better than even that.

I can understand your sentiment to not trust gaming companies, but I still do. I believe that any company or individual deserves to be credited/recognized for their hard work.

CDPR has been good to their fans, released fantastic dlc, and 3 stellar games. I would personally give them the benefit of the doubt over other companies like Bethesda who do not have that track record.

Over rated developer, aside from that though, every multi plat game is downgraded.

@mrbojangles25 said:

Yeah, my burger at McDonalds was downgraded too!

The outrage! To think they lured me into thinking what is advertised is exactly what I am going to get. Next you'll be telling me that cool red sports car is not going to get me laid.

@warmblur said:

@XVision84 said:

The witcher 3, even with a "downgrade", was a marvel. Besides, on PC you can just mod it to look however you want.

I trust CDPR.

The mods I've seen can never match that E3 Demo and I don't trust CDPR hell I don't trust any game company nobody should.

It's not about trust, it is about realistic expectations.

In other words, trusting yourself to keep things in perspective. Do you really think current-gen hardware will make the game look that nice in a non-demo environment?

Look, I don't like it any more than you, I wish we got what was advertised, but the truth is we A.) sort of do get what is advertised, and B.) need to realize that the ads convey a version of the truth.

PS: There's no reason to downgrade the PC version and if they do it for parity they are just as bad as Ubisoft.

They were pretty up front last year about being hesitant to show that gameplay demo for exactly this reason - they said it would change! and they predicted people would freak out when it inevitably did.

games changing over the course of development is not always the same as intentionally misleading consumers with false advertising.

Agree on that but I don't agree that every Multiplatform is downgraded unless you're talking about the Switch versions.

If you don't want to see a larger downgrade, play Cyberpunk 2077 on PC. The reality is, the hardware in the current consoles will play the game, but that's it. Witcher 3 on console vs PC was clearly day & night.

Every game gets a pre-alpha to layout the general look and feel, and what they do during post-production is optimize and make artistic changes to run as optimally as possible on the platforms it has to run on. It was the same bullshit those whiny Xbox One fanboys were complaining about with Spider-man PS4, which turned out to be an upgrade in visuals in the end product. At the end of the day, I'm buying Cyberpunk 2077 on PC so this whole thing doesn't bother me.

I learned not to get too hyped for games. Metal Gear Solid 2 was the game that ruined it for me. All the awesome pre-launch stuff with Solid Snake and then you got stuck playing with that panzy Raiden for most of the game. That really pissed me off. I just judge the final product these days.

@davillain-: My man Davillain hitting the nail on the head as usual ✊

And you simple minded PC and xbots try to argue against next generation adoption but are crying because a dev is trying to maximize on current gen saturation?

lmfao!

The graphics of 2077 aren't even really impressive for a "next-gen" game even though it's considered cross-gen by the developers.

But THIS is what you get when devs choose to stagnate a game's potential by sticking to old current gen development.

Thank goodness for Sony or we might be stuck with current gen development because of idiots like those here in system wars who advocate that next gen only be mid-gen refreshes.

IF 2077 is downgraded, it's because they were force to pull back development in order to maintain playability for current gen 1.8 and 1.3TF PS4 and xbox one systems.

THIS is why generations are important! Sony will boldly move that base development line with PS5 exclusives and then force other devs to follow.

Switch version confirmed

Maybe they got the hint from MS about 2 billion gamers and will make it compatible with ios and android as well :D.

Awesome, right guys? Play anywhere on anything even google watch, yesss!

I didn't take away that at all from reading the article. That being said demo was probably not running on a base Ps4... Anyway I think it will be tempting to get this game on next gen in 2020.

Yep when I saw all those NPCs on screen filling the city that was first thing I expected to get downgraded if not then I expect a lot less them on screen on consoles similar to what happened with The Witcher 3.

The game is over hyped so its guarantee to disappoint.

It's why I never get too hyped for game reveals at big shows like E3, TGS, GDC etc. No doubt MS and Sony will be in full bullshot form when they unveil their consoles with the little words " in engine footage/ real-time". Almost all games are downgraded in some way and it's hard to think of many games outside Nintendo in-house stuff that look better than the reveal. My only problem is what and where did this allegedly gameplay come from? Even PC ports are downgraded, why not keep the bullshot version and port it to high-end PCs? Instead they get higher res, faster framerates console crumbs.

The answer is rather simple, the changes made are not after the game is developed meaning the bull shots are not some hidden setting you can just enable on PC... The bull shots 2-3 years prior to release even the ones that are in game usually are graphically too demanding and the game is during development scaled down to a more reliable version and a lot of features are scrapped entirely or completely overhauled like lighting the TOD of certain scenes.

The PC version regardless of being a port from console or originally PC then ported to consoles is same version so their its always the same game minus resolution, framerate and AF/AA texture quality and in general features.

Those bullshot versions are scrapped for a reason... They offer unreliable performance and even if your on GTX 2080 Ti PC the last thing you want is to have 80FPS on one scene then a few minutes later drop down to 30-40FPS because the lighting is so advance that the moment your in a scene with a different TOD your framerate is chopped in half.

Finally, they fixed the UI of the game. I think that is what they meant by different.

They should have released this on next gen consoles.

I own the PC version never played the console versions but judging from this video the biggest difference is PC has 60 FPS while consoles have 30. I'm sure there's other differences but I don't see the night and day difference from the vanilla version of the game.

Also I'm getting Cyberpunk 2077 on PC too but if they do downgrade it for console parity it will piss me off why should the PC version be nerfed to match console hardware every system should be able to be utilized for it's own strengths. It's like buying a sports car but you are not able to drive it on the road because it would make the other drivers jealous give me break only in the gaming world is this logic acceptable.

@warmblur: Here's a better video, though it's only between the PS4 and PC.

I own both versions, the PC however doesn't have that blur while PS4 does and locked 30fps. The PS4 version for me was to review it, I always play PC version and looking at DF comparison is clearly day/night. I never played the Xbox One version though.

Yeah that's a bit better comparison it's no night in day at least for me. Here's a video of Crysis on PC compared to 360 this is night and day before parity ruined everything.

@warmblur: One more thing I need to mention. When traveling to heavy city population such as Novigrad, that's when the CPU gets very intensive and both PS4/Xbox One using Jaguar, the number of NPC will be limited compare to on PC, it's not limited and can push the NPC as far as it can.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: But isn't this what PC gamers want? Don't they want games that punish their hardware like Crysis did? If I were a PC player that's what I would want otherwise just be shackled to console ports with higher framerates and res. Developers always claim to be strapped for time but always find the time to make bullshot gameplay reveals with assets that could be used.

I don't really care much about the graphics, as long as the presentation is clean.

However, I do care about gameplay and performance. If both of those are subpar, I would care a lot about the game.

You are a little confused with the subject of the topic. Let me help.

Crysis is a finished product... We are talking about a unfinished product here, Crysis tech demo also was bullshots and the final game didn't look like the demo it was a thing of subject back then and modders did their best to get it to that level after launch.

So like I said before I don't think you people understand how development works... ALL amazing trailers/gameplay 1-3 years before the games launch are to some degree bullshots and will be downgraded to reach playable targets.

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: looks just like the final game on PC to me.

Then you weren't there when it launched when modder's came out with Natural Mod and Crysis Realifesis. The DX10 trailer was even worse bullshot where even today through mods is hard to replicate:

Just look at the comments... The Vanilla Crysis DID not look like the trailer demos at all and we all knew about it. You saying it does is your own pride not wanting to accept reality of what actually happened because its suits the subject that you clearly can't comprehend.. ALL GAMES SHOWN EARLY ARE DOWNGRADED!

Here's the higher resolution video... It was from GDC no user made, its from Crytek and the game did not look anything like the DX10 bullshot on launch not without modding and forced TOD settings.

As long as the game is enjoyable i don't think i'll mind tooooo much..

Not really into first person only view..

If you seriously thought it would look like what the shown without any downgrades, there's something wrong with you.

@npiet1 said:

If you seriously thought it would look like what the shown without any downgrades, there's something wrong with you.

I expect the PC version to look like it since it was running on a beefed up PC.

@warmblur: yeah keyword beefed up.

Yeah, true but that doesn't mean you need the highest end PC to run it unless you want to max it out I'm fine with running it on medium settings I can always upgrade my video card if I wanted so it's not a big deal. I rather have that then have the PC version downgraded because it might make console gamers hardware feel inferior boohoo.

Well it's certainly a downgrade if you don't play it on PC. Like most video games every gen.

@zaryia: Yea that's not true. Im pretty sure PS5 or Xbox Anaconda will play it to the standards of what was shown. It seems you don't know what a downgrade actually is.

Even if they downgrade I'll just mod. Console kidz can enjoy the downgrade.