Crowbcat video: Crackdowngrade 3, after five years of waiting

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#1 Edited by mowgly1 (1209 posts) -

"a foundation for how we will change the way you play games forever"

It's hilarious to see. Red Faction at the end is a nice touch

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#2 Posted by MonsieurX (38989 posts) -

I think everybody at this point got it, but cows do love to talk about it

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#3 Edited by mowgly1 (1209 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:

I think everybody at this point got it, but cows do love to talk about it

Well, you should blame your lovely boss Phil Spencer for releasing this game in that kind of state

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#4 Posted by MonsieurX (38989 posts) -

@mowgly1 said:
@MonsieurX said:

I think everybody at this point got it, but cows do love to talk about it

Well, you should blame your lovely boss Phil Spencer to put game in that kind of shape

My boss?

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#5 Posted by mowgly1 (1209 posts) -

@MonsieurX said:
@mowgly1 said:
@MonsieurX said:

I think everybody at this point got it, but cows do love to talk about it

Well, you should blame your lovely boss Phil Spencer to put game in that kind of shape

My boss?

Yeah, boss, god, chief, whatever. Here is the badge for you :

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#6 Edited by MonsieurX (38989 posts) -

@mowgly1 said:
@MonsieurX said:
@mowgly1 said:
@MonsieurX said:

I think everybody at this point got it, but cows do love to talk about it

Well, you should blame your lovely boss Phil Spencer to put game in that kind of shape

My boss?

Yeah, boss, god, chief, whatever. Here is the badge for you :

Never knew I rooted for Phil Spencer.

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#7 Posted by lundy86_4 (52666 posts) -

Are we still on CD3? Wow.

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#8 Edited by Pedro (33921 posts) -

Sony fannies can't get enough of Xbox or Phil Spencer. I wouldn't be surprised that they secretly touch themselves every time they type his name.

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#9 Posted by mowgly1 (1209 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

Are we still on CD3? Wow.

Oh yeah. There is still EDGE's review to be published. So, they're on CD3 too.

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#10 Posted by mrbojangles25 (43775 posts) -

Ho-ho-holy shitballs, we get it, people. Crackdown 3 is the worst thing ever created by people.

Moving on...

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#11 Posted by Archangel3371 (27570 posts) -

Well ain’t that just dandy.

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#12 Posted by Daredevils2k (2010 posts) -

Phil Spencer should be fired for this poor excuse of a game. Under his watch, he has released nothing but flops such as Sea of Thieves, Quantum Break and cancelled what look like would of been a really game Scalebound

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#13 Edited by deactivated-5cd08b1605da1 (9317 posts) -

Just goes to show how much cr4p these companies are eager to feed you in order to hype their games and consoles at the start of every gen. MS did it the "cloud processing" and Sony did it with "teh cell" too

But idiots will keep falling for the hype anyway because, well... they're idiots

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#14 Posted by Shewgenja (21205 posts) -

I love how XBox gets like two or three exclusives a year and we're supposed to be over Crackdown 3 like it's ancient history lol

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#15 Posted by BigBadBully (2148 posts) -

The Wrecking Zone/Cloud stuff is pulling mostly comments made when Ruffian Games was developing and using its Cloudgine Tech. Crackdown 3 Wrecking Zone in the final release was done by a different team and from my knowledge not using Cloudgine, which this video is quoting.

Plus the developer(Ruffian Games) of Crackdown 1 and 2 isnt the same developer who did Crackdown 3 Campaign(Sumo Digital). Seeing the differences between 2 developers.

This video really doesnt give the details and just spreading crap about a mediocre franchise.

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#16 Posted by lundy86_4 (52666 posts) -

@BigBadBully said:

The Wrecking Zone/Cloud stuff is pulling mostly comments made when Ruffian Games was developing and using its Cloudgine Tech. Crackdown 3 Wrecking Zone in the final release was done by a different team and from my knowledge not using Cloudgine, which this video is quoting.

Plus the developer(Ruffian Games) of Crackdown 1 and 2 isnt the same developer who did Crackdown 3 Campaign(Sumo Digital). Seeing the differences between 2 developers.

This video really doesnt give the details and just spreading crap about a mediocre franchise.

Yeah, Cloudgine was bought out by Epic. The game went through development hell and was still completely lackluster, but that's par for the course.

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#17 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4350 posts) -
@daredevils2k said:

Phil Spencer should be fired for this poor excuse of a game. Under his watch, he has released nothing but flops such as Sea of Thieves, Quantum Break and cancelled what look like would of been a really game Scalebound

It's not just the release the game alone, which is bad enough, since game companies release bad games all the time... but this one is unique. It's the fact that Phil was willing to concoct a wholesale deception to try and sell it. MS knew this game wouldn't work in a real world setting. No one is really giving him the shit he deserves for perpetuating this.

If Crackdown had been promoted in target videos and renders, whatever, because we know that the movies would be a placeholder for a final product. But, NO. What they presented they claimed was PRE-ALPHA GAMEPLAY FOOTAGE! Just a straight out and out lie to potential customers. Something MS is far too comfortable with doing these days.

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#18 Edited by lundy86_4 (52666 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin: At which point in the development/publicity cycle did they do this deception? They had to switch up entirely once Cloudgine was bought out. Sumo did the best with what they could with the scraps, which was just "alright."

Cloudgine being bought was brought to light in early 2018...

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#19 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4350 posts) -
@lundy86_4 said:

@BenjaminBanklin: At which point in the development/publicity cycle did they do this? They had to switch up entirely once Cloudgine was bought out. Sumo did the best with what they could with the scraps, which was just "alright."

Cloudgine being bought was brought to light in early 2018...

Cloudgine was a consult to MS for using cloud tech. The devs of the game said their leaving didn't affect development. This is not workable tech in the way they demoed it for gaming. This the gaming equivalent of the Theranos scandal. Promising something that just wasn't really there yet.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:

Cloudgine was a consult to MS for using cloud tech. The devs of the game said their leaving didn't affect development. This is not workable tech in the way they demoed it for gaming. This the gaming equivalent of the Theranos scandal. Promising something that just wasn't really there yet.

Are you saying that they played the PR game, and it ultimately failed? That's fair game... The game fell well short of promises, but there is no doubting that the sale of Cloudgine played a heavy-hand.

However, you didn't provide any kind of timeline... I was wondering when in the cycle that Phil tried to "concoct a wholesale deception?" Was it after the buyout, or before?

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#21 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4350 posts) -
@lundy86_4 said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Cloudgine was a consult to MS for using cloud tech. The devs of the game said their leaving didn't affect development. This is not workable tech in the way they demoed it for gaming. This the gaming equivalent of the Theranos scandal. Promising something that just wasn't really there yet.

Are you saying that they played the PR game, and it ultimately failed? That's fair game... The game fell well short of promises, but there is no doubting that the sale of Cloudgine played a heavy-hand.

However, you didn't provide any kind of timeline... I was wondering when in the cycle that Phil tried to "concoct a wholesale deception?" Was it after the buyout, or before?

It was a deception when they demoed it as realtime footage. It doesn't matter when Cloudgine was bought because it didn't factor in the game's development according to the people that worked on it. If they couldn't get a workable game in that state, don't make the promise. MS has been overselling cloud power all gen and what would get people's attention more than the cloud calculating real time destruction? It was all anyone could talk about after it was shown. And that's all MS seemed to care about.

All the subsequent delays seemed to signify a need to stall showing this mode of the game in an actual playable state. What they came up with was far from the dream.

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#22 Edited by lundy86_4 (52666 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin said:

It was a deception when they demoed it as realtime footage. It doesn't matter when Cloudgine was bought because it didn't factor in the game's development according to the people that worked on it. If they couldn't get a workable game in that state, don't make the promise. MS has been overselling cloud power all gen and what would get people's attention more than the cloud calculating real time destruction? It was all anyone could talk about after it was shown. And that's all MS seemed to care about.

All the subsequent delays seemed to signify a need to stall showing this mode of the game in an actual playable state. What they came up with was far from the dream.

Dude, you haven't quoted or proved a single thing. Just prove your point. Also, prove that it "didn't factor in the game's development according to the people that worked on it." Is it PR fluff, or is it just nonsensical gibberish? Did this gibberish happen before or after the buyout?

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#23 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4350 posts) -
@lundy86_4 said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

It was a deception when they demoed it as realtime footage. It doesn't matter when Cloudgine was bought because it didn't factor in the game's development according to the people that worked on it. If they couldn't get a workable game in that state, don't make the promise. MS has been overselling cloud power all gen and what would get people's attention more than the cloud calculating real time destruction? It was all anyone could talk about after it was shown. And that's all MS seemed to care about.

All the subsequent delays seemed to signify a need to stall showing this mode of the game in an actual playable state. What they came up with was far from the dream.

Dude, you haven't quoted or proved a single thing. Just prove your point. Also, prove that it "didn't factor in the game's development according to the people that worked on it." Is it PR fluff, or is it just nonsensical gibberish? Did this gibberish happen before or after the buyout?

It's as easy as going to Wikipedia...

Cloudgine was there to help support cloud computing, with Reagent established as a consulting firm to allow Jones to help Sumo determine the direction to take Crackdown 3. Jones did not believe there was any stumbling blocks due with Cloudgine, Reagent, or himself leaving the development at that point, since they had done what they had needed for cloud computing support, and considered that now, "it's just the technology stack, it's pretty straightforward" for Sumo to complete. Despite their departures during development, both Cloudgine and Reagent were still credited in the game's packaging and on the end credits

Right on the game's page, man. I'm not doing this with you again, Lundy. You can accept it, or not. Arguing with me isn't going to change the damage that's already been done. I'm not the person to challenge on this.

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#24 Posted by XVision84 (15786 posts) -

You're late bud. The Crackdown flop party came and went long ago.

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#25 Posted by BigBadBully (2148 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin: Yes but the video is referencing comments and video from when Ruffian/Regeant were doing the multiplayer. Sumo Digital had nothing to do with it until they came on board to work on multiplayer, from which they were originally tasked with doing campaign.

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#26 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4350 posts) -
@BigBadBully said:

@BenjaminBanklin: Yes but the video is referencing comments and video from when Ruffian/Regeant were doing the multiplayer. Sumo Digital had nothing to do with it until they came on board to work on multiplayer, from which they were originally tasked with doing campaign.

Yeah, but the point is that they weren't left high and dry like some people are trying to make the narrative out to be. The game's been in development so long, that some devs found other opportunities along the way. It didn't really affect the game's development according to them.

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#27 Posted by PernicioEnigma (6052 posts) -

It's kinda strange how DF went soft on this game in their analysis. It's like they felt bad for the devs so they didn't want to trash the game too hard. It's quite sad how Crackdown 3 is missing so many of the details and polish that the first Crackdown had, and it's not like that game was anything particularly amazing at the time. From what I recall, the first Crackdown was basically a discount GTA clone with a comic book aesthetic, it certainly didn't blow me away, though it was quite fun.

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#28 Posted by dantesergei (2197 posts) -

Great Crowbcat video as always !

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#29 Edited by rrjim1 (1730 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin said:
@lundy86_4 said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

Cloudgine was a consult to MS for using cloud tech. The devs of the game said their leaving didn't affect development. This is not workable tech in the way they demoed it for gaming. This the gaming equivalent of the Theranos scandal. Promising something that just wasn't really there yet.

Are you saying that they played the PR game, and it ultimately failed? That's fair game... The game fell well short of promises, but there is no doubting that the sale of Cloudgine played a heavy-hand.

However, you didn't provide any kind of timeline... I was wondering when in the cycle that Phil tried to "concoct a wholesale deception?" Was it after the buyout, or before?

It was a deception when they demoed it as realtime footage. It doesn't matter when Cloudgine was bought because it didn't factor in the game's development according to the people that worked on it. If they couldn't get a workable game in that state, don't make the promise. MS has been overselling cloud power all gen and what would get people's attention more than the cloud calculating real time destruction? It was all anyone could talk about after it was shown. And that's all MS seemed to care about.

All the subsequent delays seemed to signify a need to stall showing this mode of the game in an actual playable state. What they came up with was far from the dream.

What a bunch of BS, when Cloudgine left they took the technology with them to Epic. MS had to start over because they couldn't use Cloudgine copywritten tecknology.

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#30 Posted by Heil68 (58221 posts) -

How was the cloud based real time destruction?

lol

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#31 Posted by BigBadBully (2148 posts) -

@BenjaminBanklin: Yes, from what i gather the difficult part was getting the servers globally to process the cloud based processing. But Regeant/Cloudgine hyped it up a bit that might not have been reality for the final product, but it got them acquired by Epic games.

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#32 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4350 posts) -
@rrjim1 said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

It was a deception when they demoed it as realtime footage. It doesn't matter when Cloudgine was bought because it didn't factor in the game's development according to the people that worked on it. If they couldn't get a workable game in that state, don't make the promise. MS has been overselling cloud power all gen and what would get people's attention more than the cloud calculating real time destruction? It was all anyone could talk about after it was shown. And that's all MS seemed to care about.

All the subsequent delays seemed to signify a need to stall showing this mode of the game in an actual playable state. What they came up with was far from the dream.

What a bunch of BS, when Cloudgine left they took the technology with them to Epic. MS had to start over because they couldn't use Cloudgine copywritten tecknology.

You don't have proof of this... at ALL. And you can't find it. so don't start. I already posted what happened. Dave Jones himself stated Cloudgine and Reagent leaving affected nothing. Cloud tech on this level apparently isn't quite ready for primetime yet.

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#33 Posted by Pedro (33921 posts) -

Good lawd, the cloud tech was useless anyway. What meaningful gameplay addition would it have genuinely brought to the game? I don't understand this fake outrage that people frequently subscribe to on the net.