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#1 Juub1990
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One of the poster-boys for how powerful consoles are is Assassin's Creed Valhalla (which runs as well on equivalent AMD hardware but no one mentions it).

Alex Battaglia has made some comparisons of consoles vs PC's. Two games in which consoles stood out were COD Black Ops Cold War and the aforementioned AC Valhalla. It is important to note however that these games rendered alpha effects at a much lower native res than PC which according to Alex might explain the perceived advantages of the consoles. He got as close to consoles settings on PC as possible but could not quite match them because PC didn't go low enough.

With Hitman III and Watch_Dogs Legion however, he was given the exact settings by the dev for the former, and checked the config files for the latter. According to him, those comparisons are much closer to the truth than AC Valhalla or COD would lead you to believe.

He had this to say:

It's especially important because alpha effects are bandwidth-heavy and for devices that share bandwidth between their CPU and GPU, that could make a huge impact on performance.

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A $2000 PC might be a bit more powerful than a $400 console? In other news water is wet.

The fact that it's close enough to have you herms squirming is hilarious.

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#3  Edited By drummerdave9099
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Lol it's hilarious we go through this cycle every gen and nobody seems to catch on

These companies say "we are going to make the best system to unlock unlimited potential for developers" and "most powerful system ever"

It's just talk though! I mean I would hope they're designing a quality product. But they have to decide what features and specs their machine is going to have and it all comes to what will it cost on the store shelf and what will their profit look like.

It looks like they've decided the machines should not cost more than $500 so we're always going to be limited to what's the best tech at that price point that they won't take much of a/any loss on.

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#4 sealionact
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We were led to believe that 4k 60fps is possible on the new consoles.

It is.

Consoles are like virus free pcs without the cheaters.

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#5 Telekill
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Does it really matter? No. Enjoy what you like on what you like. The differences are negligible at this point.

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#6 SolidGame_basic
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Kid opens birthday gift

Mom: you're going to love this! it's what you've been asking for! a PS5!

Kid opens the present

Kid: mom, get this piece of shit out of here! the alpha effects resolution sucks on this thing!

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#7 Random_Matt
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Alex lost his credibility since claiming halo infinite looked bad because of mere light.

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I find consoles more comfortable to play than on a computer, and love the games available on them. Never once turned down a fun game because of a difference in power compared to PC.

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@Random_Matt said:

Alex lost his credibility since claiming halo infinite looked bad because of mere light.

Yeah that video was kinda weird.

I mean Halo Infinite looked bad because of its awful art direction. It just looked bland, drab. And anything that wasn't new just looked like the same old Halo. Just exactly the same.

It had nothing to do with time of day or lighting.

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@R4gn4r0k said:

Yeah that video was kinda weird.

I mean Halo Infinite looked bad because of its awful art direction. It just looked bland, drab. And anything that wasn't new just looked like the same old Halo. Just exactly the same.

It had nothing to do with time of day or lighting.

It had a lot to do with it. The game would have looked a lot better with better lighting, but still not looked good. Lighting can have a dramatic effect on scenes and might be the biggest factor at times.

Wouldn't change the bad character models, low draw distances, bad textures, texture pop-ins and all that sucked.

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A $2000 PC might be a bit more powerful than a $400 console? In other news water is wet.

The fact that it's close enough to have you herms squirming is hilarious.

If your 5700-sporting PC costs you $2000, you're doing something wrong.

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@drummerdave9099 said:

Lol it's hilarious we go through this cycle every gen and nobody seems to catch on

It is truly amazing. Some folks believed SSDs were going to be a game changer and that PCs were not capable of handling SSDs "true" potential because of imaginary bottlenecks. 😂🤣

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The performance advantages keep getting hindered by advancements in display technology and that power instead goes toward chasing resolution and framerate horizon, with minimal advancements in visual fidelity.

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#13  Edited By DaVillain  Moderator
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@NathanDrakeSwag: Where exactly are you getting PC gamers all have $2,000 gaming PC? That's way too much for a simple gaming PC. $700-$1,000 within that range is my recommendation but nothing further then that.

Edit: Anyone going for $2,000 PC, I always assume its a custom loop build.

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I knew it, some day PCs would eventually surpass consoles! But people forget the the PS5 is yet to unlock the true power of the SSD and rDNA 3 features.

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Well there's a console gamer sucker born every minute and if you tell them a next-gen console they've never seen in action in person or seen concrete, real-world data for is super duper awesome, they're going to buy it.

@Juub1990 said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

A $2000 PC might be a bit more powerful than a $400 console? In other news water is wet.

The fact that it's close enough to have you herms squirming is hilarious.

If your 5700-sporting PC costs you $2000, you're doing something wrong.

Nah bro, all PC's cost $2000 dollars or more to build and their non-hardware related reasons of being vastly better don't actually exist...

:P

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Yes, they tune games on consoles specifically for the hardware, even if that means making concessions in certain areas. Not sure what the point in comparing it to PC is, did you expect any different?

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#18 Silentchief
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Alex is sometimes clueless. That former dev from Dice made him look like a clown.

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#19 gtx021
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tons of RTX 2080TI VS XBOX ONE X,PS4 PRO comparison.on youtube.

$4000 pc vs 499 ps5 xsx,shame on pc

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#20 Juub1990
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@gtx021 said:

tons of RTX 2080TI VS XBOX ONE X,PS4 PRO comparison.on youtube.

$4000 pc vs 499 ps5 xsx,shame on pc

PS5 DE is $399, a PC that can beat it is about $5000.

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@Juub1990: $5000?? The power of the PS5 is mighty indeed, lol.

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Why is there 8k on my ps5 box?

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

A $2000 PC might be a bit more powerful than a $400 console? In other news water is wet.

The fact that it's close enough to have you herms squirming is hilarious.

No, more like a console you are going to pay over $800 for if you want online services included will be far outclassed by an $800 PC.

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@hardwenzen said:

Why is there 8k on my ps5 box?

Marketing.

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#25  Edited By PC_Rocks
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Just wait until the devs unlock the secrets of teh SSD and teh toolz. 8K/120 FPS awaits.

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#26 xantufrog  Moderator
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I can mod any console to be vastly more powerful than a PC. I just don't feel like it

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#27 Eoten
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@xantufrog said:

I can mod any console to be vastly more powerful than a PC. I just don't feel like it

No you can't.

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#28 mojito1988
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It has been like this forever. My PC is always going to be more powerful than the consoles. I am ok with that. (After all my PC always costs more than all the current consoles combined so duh.

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@xantufrog said:

I can mod any console to be vastly more powerful than a PC. I just don't feel like it

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I demand Tormentos to come in here and post a bunch of links and graphs to prove otherwise. Where is he at? He isn't doing his job. Probably butthurt because he has been shilling for Sony for so long, and they didn't even sent him a free PS5.

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@davillain- said:
@xantufrog said:

I can mod any console to be vastly more powerful than a PC. I just don't feel like it

You have to be a trillionaire and have access to Navida's and AMD's tech team. Also, don't let Sony catch you.

Also, consolites get rekt lol. A 1060 still beats a fucking PS5 at high refresh rate gaming.

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@eoten: yeah huh I can. But you'll just have to understand that PC has no games so I don't need to try.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

A $2000 PC might be a bit more powerful than a $400 console? In other news water is wet.

The fact that it's close enough to have you herms squirming is hilarious.

Get a better job and then you can experience vastly superior gaming on PC.

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#34  Edited By HalcyonScarlet
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@SolidGame_basic: "get that piece of shit out of here! The alpha effects...".

Yet when it's Xbox vs PlayStation, it's all the pretty things just like this console gamers argue about. Lems and cows were literally arguing over a few lines of resolution in the 7th gen.

But as soon as a PC gamer says something, console gamers act like they're above such petty differences.

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The RTX 2060 Super being able to keep up with the PS5 and Xbox Series X is even more of an eye opener. Sony and Microsoft will have to hope that ray tracing doesn't play a role in a lot of games this generation as the 2060 Super easily outperforms them in that and it isn't that far behind them in rasterization either. Doesn't help that the 2060 Super can use DLSS to give itself a performance boost.

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@xantufrog said:

@eoten: yeah huh I can. But you'll just have to understand that PC has no games so I don't need to try.

Wtf are you talking about PC has no games?

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@eoten said:

Wtf are you talking about PC has no games?

Xantu is riffing on a livecommander post that made no sense. Dude said he could modify a console to be more powerful than a PC.

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@eoten said:
@xantufrog said:

@eoten: yeah huh I can. But you'll just have to understand that PC has no games so I don't need to try.

Wtf are you talking about PC has no games?

He is a big fan of PC gaming and is making fun of some of the dumb stuff console fanboys have said on here, one in particular when it comes to modding a console.

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#39  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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@latech84: lol, thanks. I was surprised he wasn't getting it but it's fine

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@ratchetclank92 said:

I find consoles more comfortable to play than on a computer, and love the games available on them. Never once turned down a fun game because of a difference in power compared to PC.

I used to sit on a trash couch or on the floor playing NES and my Atari 2600 that wasn't as comfortable as PC gaming in a nice leather chair or whatever so no i don't agree with you. And I have turned down console games that were trash and were better on PC.

Remember sim city on snes compared to Mac? Remember Doom 1-2 on N64 compared to PC? Remember starcraft on n64 compared to PC remember diablo 1 on ps1 compared to PC. Theres millions of times ive turned down a console trash game for the superior version are you friggin dumb?

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@R4gn4r0k said:
@Random_Matt said:

Alex lost his credibility since claiming halo infinite looked bad because of mere light.

Yeah that video was kinda weird.

I mean Halo Infinite looked bad because of its awful art direction. It just looked bland, drab. And anything that wasn't new just looked like the same old Halo. Just exactly the same.

It had nothing to do with time of day or lighting.

Well if he was one one of the first ones to say Halo Inf looked like trash I give him praise. There were people on system wars saying the game looked good and then flipped when everyone on twitter said it looked like trash.

If this guy was the first to say Halo inf trash we should back him. He called it before everyone.

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@latech84 said:
@eoten said:
@xantufrog said:

@eoten: yeah huh I can. But you'll just have to understand that PC has no games so I don't need to try.

Wtf are you talking about PC has no games?

He is a big fan of PC gaming and is making fun of some of the dumb stuff console fanboys have said on here, one in particular when it comes to modding a console.

Yeah, I didn't see that post so I wasn't getting that reference.

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@Random_Matt said:

Alex lost his credibility since claiming halo infinite looked bad because of mere light.

Lighting definitely makes a difference in way a game looks but he was full of shit in that video.

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#44  Edited By deactivated-60bf765068a74
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@Pedro said:
@Random_Matt said:

Alex lost his credibility since claiming halo infinite looked bad because of mere light.

Lighting definitely makes a difference in way a game looks but he was full of shit in that video.

Pedro you were one of the lems who said Halo Infinite gameplay reveal looked great. We showed the picture of Craig and you said "What? It doesn't looks bad" you said Halo Inf looked fine. Not us you did.

Pedro asked Halo fans who were critical of Infinite's art style "Why whats wrong with this?

Well Pedro you lem shill let me tell you whats wrong with you un Halo fan blind dolt.

I said the brutes don't look good the one on top of like a fat alien megaman WTF how do you look at these pedro and don't say anything wrong I just understand....can xbox guys and lems and pedro tell us why these look good like they did during the reveal?

This is Brute from bungie.

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#45 Pedro  Online
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Some people struggle to understand that I don't care about their input. 😂

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@ProtossRushX said:
@Pedro said:

Lighting definitely makes a difference in way a game looks but he was full of shit in that video.

Pedro you were one of the lems who said Halo Infinite gameplay reveal looked great. We showed the picture of Craig and you said "What? It doesn't looks bad" you said Halo Inf looked fine. Not us you did.

Pedro asked Halo fans who were critical of Infinite's art style "Why whats wrong with this?

Well Pedro you lem shill let me tell you whats wrong with you un Halo fan blind dolt.

I said the brutes don't look good the one on top of like a fat alien megaman WTF how do you look at these pedro and don't say anything wrong I just understand....can xbox guys and lems and pedro tell us why these look good like they did during the reveal?

This is Brute from bungie.

Quiet, shill.

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#47 Pedro  Online
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@lundy86_4: 😂

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#48 lundy86_4
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@Pedro said:

@lundy86_4: 😂

He stops responding when you post the pic, so it's a solid way to bypass the verbal diarrhea lol.

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@lundy86_4: Good to know.

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@lundy86_4: bro im not backing sony right now im a nintendo guy yeah didn't agree with sony putting that label on there I don't back sony anymore.