Consoles are slaves of their tiny hardrives once again?

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#1  Edited By IvanGrozny
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Well, it is widely known that PC hardrives are big and provide great performance to satisfy any gaming library, meanwhile console hardrives are tiny and disappointing.

PS5 800GB is just pitiful. Even though PS5 comes with the slogan "It's not about the size but how you use it", lets be honest that's not enough for modern gaming. With subscription services such as Ps plus and Origin Prime or Xbox Live, that's not enough. You will have to install and uninstall games all the time. 1TB is not enough by modern standards. Even with expansion slots, you can take it to 2 TB, but that's still not enough. External drives are not good option as they are expensive and slower than internal drives (the fast ones require a separate power supply too)

Men, my original PS4 can only hold like 3 games at once.

PS5 storage capacity is just a very small jump from the original PS4. Not even mentioning expansion SSD cards will probably go for a premium price and shit.

My PC in change features 8 TB of regular HD and 3TB of SSD. Only investing in that much storage allowed me to play comfortably and take advantage of all subscription services and sales that happen today.

But the problem is consoles, being tiny boxes, do not provide enough internal slots to wield a massive storage drive capacity like PC can.

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#2 KBFloYd
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a huge downfall of the PS5.

almost as bad as PSvita memory cards

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#3  Edited By JoshRMeyer
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850 is more than enough for me. If I ever need to expand, the option is there also. No reason to dish out hundreds more at launch for something I don't need yet.

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#4 joebones5000
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The first thing I said when I saw the 1tb was.... It's not enough for next gen. Definitely makes me want to go back to PC again.

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#5  Edited By Archangel3371
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Eh, it’s fine. They’re working within a budget here to put a product on the market at a reasonable price. Storage space is something that is the most easily upgradable so I’d rather they reduce the budget for that then say on the other more important aspects of the system.

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#6 WeRVenom
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They have expandable storage so they should be fine.

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#7 Telekill
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My PC has 750GB internal, 3TB external and 6TB external.

PS4 has 1TB internal and 4TB external. My PS5 will use the 4TB external just the same.

If you have a small hard drive or SSD, then that's your problem. Upgrade.

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#8  Edited By Random_Matt
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SSD is expensive, my 1TB alone was £197, 2TB is over £300. Seriously, it is a console that has to fit a price point. If people need more then get nickel and dimed by MS proprietary carts or NVMe from Sony.

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#9  Edited By KBFloYd
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@Telekill said:

My PC has 750GB internal, 3TB external and 6TB external.

PS4 has 1TB internal and 4TB external. My PS5 will use the 4TB external just the same.

If you have a small hard drive or SSD, then that's your problem. Upgrade.

you wont be able to play ps5 games with your external. unlike the ps4 and ps3.

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#10 WeRVenom
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@KBFloYd said:
@Telekill said:

My PC has 750GB internal, 3TB external and 6TB external.

PS4 has 1TB internal and 4TB external. My PS5 will use the 4TB external just the same.

If you have a small hard drive or SSD, then that's your problem. Upgrade.

you wont be able to play ps5 games with your external. unlike the ps4 and ps3.

You can off the NVME expansion.

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#11  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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Ehhhh. I don't use my hard drives as a games dumpster. I delete games when I'm done with them. I have had no issue with the 500gb HDD on the ps4 (other than its craptacular speed), and I've only got about 1TB of games on my pc.

Also I think Cerny made good points about wasted space with "the old way" that can be avoided here with installs on that hardware.

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#12  Edited By Djoffer123
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I kind of agree, one Tb seems awfully small for a next gen hard drive! Personally I think that two Tb would have been the sweet spot between price and convenience!

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#13 lundy86_4
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Yeah, shame they went so hard on the SSD. I definitely appreciate what it gives us, but for those who only buy digital, the space is gonna suck. Fortunately, I largely buy physical on consoles. I'm going minimum 2TB on an NVMe for my PC.

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#14 Wizard
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2 TB of high speed storage is pretty much the "recommended spec" nowadays. Why do consoles always feel like two steps forward and one and a half steps back?

I don't want to deal with data compression in games. Developers won't bother coding decompression onto Core 8-16 or whatever because the consoles only have 0 through 6 available.

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#15 Nonstop-Madness
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While I do agree that next gen consoles should have larger drives, how hard is it to delete games you aren't or, don't expect to play any time soon?

There's a huge difference in asking for let's say 2TB vs 11TBs that OP needs to be able to comfortably play games.

Re: PS5, Im pretty sure you'll be able to use your external HDD as cold storage if necessary. The just needs to be on the SSD when you play it.

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#16 clone01
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I can see it being an issue for some, but it's never been more than an occasional inconvenience for me.

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#17 Kadin_Kai
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@ivangrozny: I think I read that games on the next gen will be smaller due to better compression that will help.

But it doesn’t affect me all that much, I am lucky I have have super fast internet where I live I can just re-download games.

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#18 NfamousLegend
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Tell me how much is the fastest 1TB SSD you can buy right now?

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@KBFloYd: Hate to break it to you but the switch and series X aren't much better. Switch might be worse, honestly not sure what how muchs to rage space it has bit my sons is almost full without many games on it.

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#20 TheGreatChomp
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Complain complain complain. 2TB is fine for consoles. I see no issue here. Fact is PC has that memory because it needs more software than consoles do.

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@vfighter said:

@KBFloYd: Hate to break it to you but the switch and series X aren't much better. Switch might be worse, honestly not sure what how muchs to rage space it has bit my sons is almost full without many games on it.

Do you buy many of your son's games digitally? Switch storage space is admittedly very small, but if you go with the physical versions then you can get a lot of mileage out of a micro sd card. I've still not maxed out my 256GB just yet.

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#22 lamprey263
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Thankfully I should be able to use my external for Series X to play the BC titles, should buy me some time to figure out a storage solution for next gen titles.

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I wonder would they just have been better off going with a cheaper off the shelf NVME drive (for both camps) rather than this highly customised route. Put some work into the OS side to reduce any overhead as much as possible and just use off the shelf parts. The performance wouldn't be as good as what the PS5 and XSX are currently getting but i think they would be good enough.

I mean what happens if the internal SSD craps out? is it user replaceable? will either system be smart enough to try and boot off an external SSD if the internal one fails?

one thing i love about the PS3 hardware (and i think this is the case with the PS4 also) is if you get HDD failure you can just replace the drive, restore the OS and go on your merry way. No need to send the whole system back or replace the whole thing if it is older. As i understand it you can't do this with the xbox one though correct me if i' wrong.

as for the capacity: with the way games are going in terms of storage requirements no amount was going to satisfy really and certainly nothing that would fit within the budget of a console. If you want more than a few games on your system you will need to factor in an SSD upgrade for both systems at some point during the gen (now is not a great time to look for such an upgrade though).

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#24 briguyb13
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Back when I had shit internet, it would have been a problem. But now I can just delete games as needed, and re-download them if I wanna re-play a game.

There's really no reason to keep 50 plus games on your drive at once, with most of them just sitting there doing nothing.

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#25 Random_Matt
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@lundy86_4 said:

Yeah, shame they went so hard on the SSD. I definitely appreciate what it gives us, but for those who only buy digital, the space is gonna suck. Fortunately, I largely buy physical on consoles. I'm going minimum 2TB on an NVMe for my PC.

Still too little, perhaps you don't have a problem uninstalling stuff. I do, I replay absolutely everything I buy, might bite the bullet on black friday and get at least 4TB.

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#26 Livecommander
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@ivangrozny: who plays more than 3 games in the same months span anyway. 1tb is fine as a default

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#27 Random_Matt
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@osan0 said:

I wonder would they just have been better off going with a cheaper off the shelf NVME drive (for both camps) rather than this highly customised route. Put some work into the OS side to reduce any overhead as much as possible and just use off the shelf parts. The performance wouldn't be as good as what the PS5 and XSX are currently getting but i think they would be good enough.

I mean what happens if the internal SSD craps out? is it user replaceable? will either system be smart enough to try and boot off an external SSD if the internal one fails?

one thing i love about the PS3 hardware (and i think this is the case with the PS4 also) is if you get HDD failure you can just replace the drive, restore the OS and go on your merry way. No need to send the whole system back or replace the whole thing if it is older. As i understand it you can't do this with the xbox one though correct me if i' wrong.

as for the capacity: with the way games are going in terms of storage requirements no amount was going to satisfy really and certainly nothing that would fit within the budget of a console. If you want more than a few games on your system you will need to factor in an SSD upgrade for both systems at some point during the gen (now is not a great time to look for such an upgrade though).

The likelihood of a SSD breaking down is extremely minute.

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#28 tormentos
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@KBFloYd:

Yes because the switch has 10TB of storage.🙄

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#29 tormentos
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@ivangrozny:

So your PC came with a standard hdd of 8TB and 3TB ssd so how much did you pay for it.

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#30 mclarenmaster18
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I'm disappointed with this, oh well I must deal with this for PS5 and Xbox Series X.

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#31  Edited By Zaryia
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@wervenom said:

They have expandable storage so they should be fine.

lmao

@wervenom said:
@KBFloYd said:
@Telekill said:

My PC has 750GB internal, 3TB external and 6TB external.

PS4 has 1TB internal and 4TB external. My PS5 will use the 4TB external just the same.

If you have a small hard drive or SSD, then that's your problem. Upgrade.

you wont be able to play ps5 games with your external. unlike the ps4 and ps3.

You can off the NVME expansion.

And how much is that?

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#32  Edited By Zaryia
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@Livecommander said:

@ivangrozny: who plays more than 3 games in the same months span anyway. 1tb is fine as a default

Yikes.

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#33 IMAHAPYHIPPO
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What it really all depends on is how fast installs are with these SSD's Sony and MS are hyping up. If the install times only take a few minutes, then it likely won't be a big deal. If it takes 20-30 minutes, or even longer, this will be a problem.

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#34 Oldgun
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I think its enough. For my case, I only buy exclusives on the PS4 and this trend will continue on PS5, while third party games on PC. Any game that I have finished goes to my 4TB external HDD for archiving. With 825GB of onboard SSD in the PS5, I can still keep at least 3-4 games that I'm playing. On PS4 I have a 500GB SSD and I only transfer the game to SSD from my external storage that I intend to play.

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#35 Livecommander
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@zaryia: yikes ? If 2 or 3 games can't hold you every 4 to 6 months then you aren't truly enjoying and mastering your games.

Duh more space would be good but redownloading and game or 2 every year isn't that bad.

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#36  Edited By Zaryia
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@Livecommander said:

@zaryia: yikes ? If 2 or 3 games can't hold you every 4 to 6 months then you aren't truly enjoying and mastering your games.

Duh more space would be good but redownloading and game or 2 every year isn't that bad.

Well I guess console gamers are used to different things due to hardware limitations. On PC i like to play several online and sp games at the same week or month.

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#37 Pedro
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@zaryia said:

Well I guess console gamers are used to different things due to hardware limitations. On PC i like to play several online and sp games at the same week or month.

What hardware limitations prevents the expansion of storage on consoles?

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#38 rmpumper
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Realistically it's not a big deal, unless 5 people are using the same console and each one wants to have 2-3 different games installed at one time.

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#39 Zaryia
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@Pedro said:
@zaryia said:

Well I guess console gamers are used to different things due to hardware limitations. On PC i like to play several online and sp games at the same week or month.

What hardware limitations prevents the expansion of storage on consoles?

Nice another cost I can add to crapsoles.

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#40 Pedro
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@zaryia said:
@Pedro said:
@zaryia said:

Well I guess console gamers are used to different things due to hardware limitations. On PC i like to play several online and sp games at the same week or month.

What hardware limitations prevents the expansion of storage on consoles?

Nice another cost I can add to crapsoles.

How about answering the question. 😎

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#41 Zero_epyon
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I buy disks 80% of the time anyway. If I have to make space it doesn't bother me at all. Especially if I don't have the game anymore. Seems like a problem for digital only gamers. I also don't play more than two or three games at a time so console drive sizes aren't a huge deal for me. I have a 1TB PS4 Pro and I've only had to delete games a handful of times. They were almost always PS Plus games I never played.

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#42 tormentos
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@zaryia:

Storage cost money on PC as well fool.

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#43 pyro1245
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Yeah.... I don't really care about the storage size. Just happy they finally went with an SSD.

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#44 rzxv04
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I'm not sure what to think of this.

Aren't there supposed to be new ways of storing stuff so it's less redundant and smaller for data? There are also expansion options?

200 GB games could be poorly optimized.

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#45 ButDuuude
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Sony makes it very easy to replace the hdd on PlayStation. I had a 1TB hdd on my PS3 and replaced my PS4 hdd right away with a 1.5TB SSD (nothing like the new SSDs). I’m not replacing my PS5 SSD but will get an external hhd for my PS4 games.

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#46 I_P_Daily
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Do we know how much each game is going to use next gen, or are we assuming each game is going to be 200gb?