Concept Art on Warren Spector's (Deus Ex creator) Steampunk Mickey Mouse Epic!!

Hopefully i got my Wii by the time this game comes out.

Lol at all the hate for this game.

Hopefully i got my Wii by the time this game comes out.

Lol at all the hate for this game.

calvinx6

Hate for the game?

All I've seen is hate for the platform of choice.

Which I love:D

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

stepat201

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

SMG was touted much the same way, but the waggle gestures and pointing didn't add much to the overall experience. SMG is my game of the generation thus far, as I have stated many times, but I would've taken HD, better textures, and more of a "pop" to the image over waggle and pointing mechanics. And it would've still been an ace product. It's just a preference.

BioShockOwnz

For myself personally I loved the wiimote implementation in SMG. I would frankly be the opposite as you but in the end we both agree. SMG is amazing and as gamers we all won regardless of platform.

[QUOTE="stepat201"]

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

OreoMilkshake

Yes, really.

SMG was touted much the same way, but the waggle gestures and pointing didn't add much to the overall experience.BioShockOwnz

Pulling stars, pushing certain objects, screwing and unscrewing, ball rolling, starbit collecting, swinging ghosts, starbit shooting, Manta Ray surfing, swinging on ropes, cleaning snow, blowing bubbles etc...etc...

Take away these two seemingly dispendable input methods (IR and motion) and it would be a diferent game. Levels would be designed diferently, stuff like the flying sequences where you collect starbits wouldnt make sense, entire puzzles and events would completely loose their "freshness" and charm. It WOULDNT be Galaxy as you know it.

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="stepat201"]

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

stepat201

Yes, really.

Just because it's the developers descision doesn't mean we have no right to question it.

There's no denying this game would be better on 360/PS3 as far as tech goes.

stepat201

you have the right to question it. its just rather stupid when all we have to go off of is concept art. For all we know this could be a damn disney themed checkers game.

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[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"]No, really?OreoMilkshake

Yes, really.

[QUOTE="OreoMilkshake"][QUOTE="stepat201"]

Yes, really.

Thunderdrone

I never said that, I think this game would be better on 360/PS3, then it would still have good platforming controls and the graphics would be better. There's no real advantage to having it on wii unless you're going to do something amazing with the motion controls which I doubt this game will.

If your numbers are sourced i want links, like right now. :|

And I never said the wii wasn't a good option. I said the PS3 and 360 aren't bad options. The wii is indeed thebest option which I blantantly stated at thhe beginning. Now, show me links, I'm drawing from memory but if you are so sure. Links to everything you claimed.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/03/05/insomniacs-ted-price-talks-ratchet-sales-surprises-new-ips/ That's a link for rachet being over a million.

Also, researched banjo and I was indeed wrong on that one. 154k as of January 09. More links coming.

ActicEdge

That's a link from ted price claiming that ratchet sold over a million worldwide 7 months after release. and you're right about banjo, i severely overestimated it

here's some of my figures

ratchet october 2007

ratchet october 2007

racthet lifetime total japan

de blob lifetime npd

relative development costs 7th gen

so again. cartoony games sell better on wii. they cost less to make and the demographic lends itself to family games more. very simple

By May 2008, R&C FToD had sold over a million.

I never said that, I think this game would be better on 360/PS3, then it would still have good platforming controls and the graphics would be better. There's no real advantage to having it on wii unless you're going to do something amazing with the motion controls which I doubt this game will. stepat201

This game would be better on NASA computers, it would have even better graphics and good controls. No?

Hey, i'm just completing you're logic that it would be better on more capable machine. Why bother with the HD twin consoles when they are in the middle of the tech ladder, looking above at the PC with teary eyes.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

If your numbers are sourced i want links, like right now. :|

And I never said the wii wasn't a good option. I said the PS3 and 360 aren't bad options. The wii is indeed thebest option which I blantantly stated at thhe beginning. Now, show me links, I'm drawing from memory but if you are so sure. Links to everything you claimed.

http://multiplayerblog.mtv.com/2008/03/05/insomniacs-ted-price-talks-ratchet-sales-surprises-new-ips/ That's a link for rachet being over a million.

Also, researched banjo and I was indeed wrong on that one. 154k as of January 09. More links coming.

hy4k

That's a link from ted price claiming that ratchet sold over a million worldwide 7 months after release. and you're right about banjo, i severely overestimated it

here's some of my figures

ratchet october 2007

ratchet october 2007

racthet lifetime total japan

de blob lifetime npd

relative development costs 7th gen

so again. cartoony games sell better on wii. they cost less to make and the demographic lends itself to family games more. very simple

My rachet link is more recent so I'm going with that. You de blob list doesn't state worldwide (which THQ said was 700k). As I've said wii is the best choice but not all cartoony games sell well on it. Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"] As do I. And I defend the Wii a lot. But let's be honest here. I want this game to be realized to its full potential, and part of that is its atmosphere, which can be helped a lot by having the hardware punch to knock it out.Thunderdrone

I'l repost this:

There never was an HD version of this game and it was a Wii project right off the bat, it was designed, planned and executed with that hardware in mind. There is no damn HD version to shed a tear about.

Its not about defending the Wii, Spector set out to make this a Wii project from the start and people are whining about things that DONT EXIST. Its like whining that DQIX should be on the PSP instead, why bother, the game is what it is because its on that system.

Same here, every concept you see and every idea they come up with, was made with the Wii in mind. This "full potential is wasted" is complete BS, like saying i should do a colored oil painting instead of a black and white charcoal drawing to fullfill my vision, thats up to ME to decide not you.

By May 2008, R&C FToD had sold over a million.

IronBass

Already posted buddy. By me too :D

Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.ActicEdge

Already posted buddy. By me too :DActicEdge

Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.pyromaniac223

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.ActicEdge

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"] Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.IronBass

Yes this is true, if this game was presumably in HD, it would be on both consoles most definitely. Also, you're not old, well, that old anyway :P

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.ActicEdge

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.ActicEdge

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

I wouldn't say that. It's just that seeing these concept screens gives people hope that the game will look at least somewhat like the concept art, and putting it on last-gen hardware takes those chances away.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.SparkyProtocol

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

This isn't about last gen where the graphics leap between consoles wasn't so huge however. Also, I'm asking if the logic is sound or not, not for comparison.

Also, you're not old, well, that old anyway :P

ActicEdge

I dunno why, but that didn't make me feel better... D:

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.stepat201

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

I wouldn't say that. It's just that seeing these concept screens gives people hope that the game will look at least somewhat like the concept art, and putting it on last-gen hardware takes those chances away.

But by this logic like I posted, any wii game with gripping concept art will do the same thing and the cycle would continue. This isn't about personal preference here, I'm saying if wii games had concept art as amazing as this more often, would it be sound to say they should just be on the PS3 and 360? Don't think of the question as an exception like this case, think of it as a general thing.So again, is what I'm getting at making sense?

I can't believe wii haters these days.

Apparently the game is automatically at fault just for being on the system :|

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[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.pyromaniac223

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

Don't think I'm trying to pick on you. I'm the exact same, I want to see what this would be like on stronger hardware, however I'm playing devil's advocate to try and make a point. I know you aren't a hater lol.

The pics look good, let's hope it doesn't stay as just some nice concept artwork when we see it translated into the actual game.

[QUOTE="SparkyProtocol"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

This isn't about last gen where the graphics leap between consoles wasn't so huge however. Also, I'm asking if the logic is sound or not, not for comparison.

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

ActicEdge

Don't think I'm trying to pick on you. I'm the exact same, I want to see what this would be like on stronger hardware, however I'm playing devil's advocate to try and make a point. I know you aren't a hater lol.

Yeah let's have this on ps3 or 360. We all know what happened to Lair.
You guys don't seem to care one bit but i don't want talent to go bankrupt just because they had to make it HD to be noticed by You.
What if this game doesn't turn out to be good? I still wouldn't want them to go bankrupt, cause i think they could make a great game.
Would it break several hundred thousand on 360/ps3 even if it is a little different? I wouldn't want to bet my house on that, and that's what You're asking for.

The wii allows for experimental design, it is one of the wii's slight advantages. They could have used the DS for it, or a downloadservice, or the wii. I would rather see it on any of those than the 360/ps3.

[QUOTE="ActicEdge"]

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"]Man, there's nothing wrong with wishing that such a vivid artstyle could be recreated with much more detail. At the very least, screaming "Suck it the **** up" isn't going to help anything.stepat201

This thread has brought about an interesting concept. Tell me if I'm off base.

Any Wii game with nice, vivid concept art should have been on the PS/360? Basically the wii should have no games where the devs put work in there concept? This is what I'm gathering, am I right?

I wouldn't say that. It's just that seeing these concept screens gives people hope that the game will look at least somewhat like the concept art, and putting it on last-gen hardware takes those chances away.

My rachet link is more recent so I'm going with that. You de blob list doesn't state worldwide (which THQ said was 700k). As I've said wii is the best choice but not all cartoony games sell well on it. Also, I maintain the PS3 and 360 can sell these games if they are marketed well enough eveen if it would be harder.

ActicEdge

and i maintain they cant.just like i maintaint that online focused shooters cant sell well on the wii. different demographics, different expectations

i'll go with your ratchet link as well, but it doesnt make it a top seller. Especially if a lower rated sonic game can sell more at launch as well and a low budget new ip from THQ isn't far of. both of which cost significantly less to make

ideally the game should be multiplatform but the Wii is a vastly superior option for the game compared to the PS3/360 combo

i'll go with your ratchet link as well, but it doesnt make it a top seller. hy4k

Nor does it need to be.

Besides, over 1 million sales are very, very, very good.

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777

I do but I can't really make a judgement about how something plays from concept art. I can actually only talk about well, how it looks.

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777

*in reference to the reason this game is Steam Punk*

Look what Disney Channel has done! Curse you Hannah Montana! You literally destroyed Mickey Mouse's world! :evil:

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Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

pyromaniac223

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

[QUOTE="pyromaniac223"][QUOTE="Scythes777"]

Wow does anyone here care about gameplay anymore?

Scythes777

[QUOTE="Scythes777"][QUOTE="pyromaniac223"] We don't have any yet. All we have is a bunch of fantastic, imaginative concept art.pyromaniac223

*in reference to the reason this game is Steam Punk*

Look what Disney Channel has done! Curse you Hannah Montana! You literally destroyed Mickey Mouse's world! :evil:

magiciandude

Agreed. Hope Disney doesn't forget its roots

To all you complaining about the graphics and style on the Wii. You do realize Pixar is working on this right? Do you really think they would create a world that was not perfectly polished. Look at what nintendo did with SMG. Combine Spector, Disney Interactive, Pixar and the power of cellshading and you will have an amazing looking game. I am certain this game can surpass SMG on every level with the amount of talent working on it.

Wait, so it's a platformer? Other than going for a realistic style, is it supposed to be "mature" and "dark," like American McGee's Alice?DeathScape666