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#51 PC_Rocks
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@parkerrand said:

Curious what kinda hardware that's currently available would run that UE5 demo at 60fps if any.

Not much, a laptop featuring Nvidia Ampere since Turing laptop can already run it at 40FPS+.

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#52  Edited By deactivated-5ecb2310ef8c3
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@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:

Curious what kinda hardware that's currently available would run that UE5 demo at 60fps if any.

Not much, a laptop featuring Nvidia Ampere since Turing laptop can already run it at 40FPS+.

Where is the benchmark on that? And what GPU is in that?

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#53 sirk1264
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IMO Graphics have gotten to the point where they are good enough. I rather see advances in lighting and AI for next gen versus more detailed textures. Also would be nice if every game targets 60 FPS than 30. 60 FPS brings a much smoother experience for a game.

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#54 Zero_epyon
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@DarthaPerkinjan said:

Unless its a sports game, developers will always intentionally target 30fps because games can look better at 30fps then at 60fps. And games that look better sell better.

Its like the Unreal 5 demo. It could have run at 60fps and still looked great. But it wouldnt have looked as good as it does running at 30fps. In that type of game (adventure/Tomb Raider style) 30fps is just fine if it means a tastier visual experience.

On PS6, PS7, PS8 and on there will always be 30 fps games, and they will likely always be in the majority because developers will make the artistic/business choice for a better looking game instead of a smoother framerate.

So please, stop it with the low IQ, low effort posts complaining about not every game being 60fps.

"because games can look better at 30fps then at 60fps."

I wholeheartedly disagree. Especially for systems that can run that demo with that fidelity and at 60fps.

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#55 lamprey263
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Hopefully developers can optimize techniques to reduce overhead, like using lower quality assets and sprucing them up through checkerboard, variable resolution, temporal supersampling, rather they try that to hit 60fps and use every trick to make it look good than tank performance just to say they have a game that runs in native 4K, leaving no overhead to improve visual effects or smoother framerate output and whatnot.

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#56 pyro1245
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lol despite the complacency of people like yourself, devs have started to take note that people prefer 60fps.

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#57 PC_Rocks
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@parkerrand said:
@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:

Curious what kinda hardware that's currently available would run that UE5 demo at 60fps if any.

Not much, a laptop featuring Nvidia Ampere since Turing laptop can already run it at 40FPS+.

Where is the benchmark on that? And what GPU is in that?

Where's the benchmark for UE5 demo on PS5? The source is the same for both of these: Epic engineers.

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#58 Chozofication
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In an ideal world where when we talk of 30fps, we would get 30fps locked with perfect frame pacing. But we don’t, so I’d say it’s time to stop giving devs a free pass.

Not to mention that different 30fps games have varying degrees in latency. Take a worst case killzone 2 and compare it to project Gotham 4 for example. The difference in latency could be even more stark than an average 30 vs 60 game comparison.

What I mean is that 30fps can feel really nice, but there are so many developer variables that can go wrong, to impede that. Better to just make a 60fps mode standard.

Only the switch should get a pass for 30fps once the new gen is out.

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#59 Archangel3371  Online
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While I would certainly prefer 60fps and hope that the next gen consoles at least provide options to get that from the games I’m not one to get fussed over 30fps either. Just never really had that much of a problem with it.

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#60 deactivated-5ecb2310ef8c3
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@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:
@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:

Curious what kinda hardware that's currently available would run that UE5 demo at 60fps if any.

Not much, a laptop featuring Nvidia Ampere since Turing laptop can already run it at 40FPS+.

Where is the benchmark on that? And what GPU is in that?

Where's the benchmark for UE5 demo on PS5? The source is the same for both of these: Epic engineers.

No i just saw it running on a PS5. I'm curious what desktop equivalent GPU( specifically Nvidia) do you think I could get that would match a PS5?

I'm just trying to get a ballpark idea.

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#61 mtron32
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LOL, why do PC gamers assume console players don't also have PCs?

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#62  Edited By Fedor
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@mtron32: Console fanboys are the only ones who would make the silly argument the OP did.

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#63 Sushiglutton
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From what I understand, the FPS that you are content with, is the same as your IQ.

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#64 DragonfireXZ95
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To the TC: We don't complain, that's why we play on PC.

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#65  Edited By BassMan
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@gifford38 said:
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Its been proven that in every gen, consoles are far behind PC.

And every gen its a proven fact that hermits port beg console games, but, but PC are ahead LOL.

Also there will be more people playing on powerful consoles next gen than people playing on PC's more powerful than next gen consoles, including yours :)

Console gamers beg for PC games all the time. I already owned u on The Laster Race argument. There are more games that start off on PC and later come to consoles than the other way around. So, that card is not available to you. Find another one to play.

i have never seen any one here beg for a pc game. all ever see is if god of war or horizon zero dawn or uncharted on pc it can run on 60fps on a real machine i just bought for 3000 dollars. like we get it the 3000 machine is better than the 400 machine.

it was like that last gen with 360 games as well.

So, they never begged for games like PUBG, Fortnite, Minecraft, etc.? LOL These are some of the most popular games in the world and console players play the shit out of them.

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#66 PC_Rocks
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@parkerrand said:

No i just saw it running on a PS5. I'm curious what desktop equivalent GPU( specifically Nvidia) do you think I could get that would match a PS5?

I'm just trying to get a ballpark idea.

No, you didn't. You saw the video of a demo who Epic said was running on a PS5 dev kit. Just like another Epic engineer said the same demo runs on RTX 2080 laptop at 40FPS+. The engineer also said that the target is to get this demo to run at 60FPS on the same laptop.

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@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:

No i just saw it running on a PS5. I'm curious what desktop equivalent GPU( specifically Nvidia) do you think I could get that would match a PS5?

I'm just trying to get a ballpark idea.

No, you didn't. You saw the video of a demo who Epic said was running on a PS5 dev kit. Just like another Epic engineer said the same demo runs on RTX 2080 laptop at 40FPS+. The engineer also said that the target is to get this demo to run at 60FPS on the same laptop.

I thought he said the goal was to get it to 60 fps on next gen? Regardless what Nvidia desktop gpu can I get today would be on par with a PS5?

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#69 lundy86_4
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TC did another drive-by thread post lol. Not a single post since inception.

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#70 mrbojangles25
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I booted up ArmA 3 the other day which runs like shit on any system and I was playing it at about 35-40 fps and I could not stand it. It was a HUGE difference from what I am accustomed to, which is generally 60+ (often way over 60).

Low IQ? Won't notice a difference? Bulllllllllllllllshiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit.

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Lol at console plebs.

It wouldn't be so funny if they accepted what they were or stopped trying to compete, but they just bring it on themselves.

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With SuperMighty XseX MonsterBox, 8K 120 fps will be the norm so I'm good. :P

What... Why??

lolol :P

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I tend to play on a lot of older consoles, especially the PS1/ps2, so I'm more used to slower frame-rates. Yes, 60 FPS is better than 30 FPS but personally, it doesn't bother me that much.

That being said, next gen consoles have no excuse to be 30 FPS in 1080p.

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#72 I_P_Daily
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I will just say this, and that's the laster race needs to argue higher frame rates, I mean how else are they going to justify wasting so much money on their e-mail machines lol.

Its been proven that in every gen, consoles are far behind PC.

And every gen its a proven fact that hermits port beg console games, but, but PC are ahead LOL.

Also there will be more people playing on powerful consoles next gen than people playing on PC's more powerful than next gen consoles, including yours :)

Console gamers beg for PC games all the time. I already owned u on The Laster Race argument. There are more games that start off on PC and later come to consoles than the other way around. So, that card is not available to you. Find another one to play.

Geez you're full of shit, I mean name 1 console gamer who begs for PC games, no one is begging for Star Citizen lol.

And you have never owned me, you have and do owns yourself on a regular basis when you say playing at 30fps is not playing properly you clown.

Have fun lasterracer lol.

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#73 HalcyonScarlet
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Everyone knows that. 60fps still plays better.

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#74 I_P_Daily
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@BenjaminBanklin said:

Championing for 30fps is such a broke ass console pleb move it hurts.

@i_p_daily said:

I will just say this, and that's the laster race needs to argue higher frame rates, I mean how else are they going to justify wasting so much money on their e-mail machines lol.

You're arguing against better hardware now? Okay, don't buy an Xbox Series X since you're so content with what you have. 🤣

Nuff said.
Nuff said.

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#75 navyguy21
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Try 60fps for a week and then try and go back to 30 and then tell me its low IQ.

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#76 with_teeth26
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@SolidGame_basic said:

The whole console 30fps thing is overblown. There are games on consoles that are 60fps. Depends on the type of game it is. There are only certain games like Witcher 3 for example, where consoles really struggle. But even when I tried playing the PC version on my computer, I couldn't achieve 60fps on 1440p ultra wide. What am I going to do? Spend $500/$600 on a new graphics card? Nope. People who constantly buy new graphics card are a small minority of gamers.

you could, uh, I dont know, lower the settings?

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#77  Edited By Pedro
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Lower settings makes one a peasant.😜

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#78  Edited By xantufrog  Moderator
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Written like someonewho hasn't had the chance to compare.

It's not snobbery - it's simply false that only racing games make higher framerates worthwhile. Play TW3 at 30fps and then kick it to 60 and tell me it isn't dramatically more playable. Or that Bloodborne video the other day... Jeez you could see the difference man.

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#79 JasonOfA36
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30 FPS is dogshit.

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#80 SolidGame_basic
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@Pedro said:
@with_teeth26 said:
@SolidGame_basic said:

The whole console 30fps thing is overblown. There are games on consoles that are 60fps. Depends on the type of game it is. There are only certain games like Witcher 3 for example, where consoles really struggle. But even when I tried playing the PC version on my computer, I couldn't achieve 60fps on 1440p ultra wide. What am I going to do? Spend $500/$600 on a new graphics card? Nope. People who constantly buy new graphics card are a small minority of gamers.

you could, uh, I dont know, lower the settings?

Lower settings makes one peasant.😜

lol. I was ok with 40-45 fps, I still wanted the game to look beautiful.

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@mtron32 said:

LOL, why do PC gamers assume console players don't also have PCs?

LOL, why don't you ask a PC-only gamer?

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#83 SOedipus
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Also, I tip my hat to TC. Excellent work.

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#84 VFighter
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@dagubot: Nah...I got into PC gaming years ago and that cracker tasted just as bland as it looked.

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#85 NoodleFighter
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After getting my Samsung Q6FN and playing games at 1440p 120fps anything below 60fps is just plain intolerable for me. 60fps is barely tolerable for me at this point now that I've experienced 120fps.

I feel sorry for all the people wasting their money being early adopters of HDMI 2.1 TVs because they think the PS5 and XsX will be playing games at 4k with 120fps.

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#86  Edited By Yams1980
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60 fps should have been a no brainer standard well over a decade ago for consoles since all high definition tvs have always run at 60hz or higher, first when they came out being 720p and eventually 1080p.

It's low IQ to actually think people should have settled for 30 fps 15+ years ago, let alone today. I was playing quake 3 well over 60 fps in early 2000 on just a mid range PC, I have no idea why console gamers continue settle for the peasant lifestyle anymore.

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#87  Edited By LAtech84
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@vfighter said:

Nah...I got into PC gaming years ago and that cracker tasted just as bland as it looked.

I think some people just prefer PC gaming and some people prefer console gaming, I don't think PC gaming or console gaming is bland as a fact, different people just have different things they like in a gaming platform. It is all just different opinions and preferences at the end of the day. People in general in this forum do like to pretend their opinions are facts though, I noticed. There are advantages to both and depending on what advantages you prefer, that will end up being what a person likes to play on best as their preferred platform. I also noticed depending on taste and preference what is an advantage to one person is a disadvantage to another, so with such differences in how people think and what they like this argument in general is kind of pointless, since what is best is different to different people.

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@parkerrand said:
@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:

Curious what kinda hardware that's currently available would run that UE5 demo at 60fps if any.

Not much, a laptop featuring Nvidia Ampere since Turing laptop can already run it at 40FPS+.

Where is the benchmark on that? And what GPU is in that?

The GPU used in the laptop is expected to cost $799

Hermits are frikin insane. A $799 GPU cannot run that demo anywhere near 60fps, yet they will swear consoles are missing out because it runs at 30fps on PS5.

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@DarthaPerkinjan said:
@parkerrand said:
@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:

Curious what kinda hardware that's currently available would run that UE5 demo at 60fps if any.

Not much, a laptop featuring Nvidia Ampere since Turing laptop can already run it at 40FPS+.

Where is the benchmark on that? And what GPU is in that?

The GPU used in the laptop is expected to cost $799

Hermits are frikin insane. A $799 GPU cannot run that demo anywhere near 60fps, yet they will swear consoles are missing out because it runs at 30fps on PS5.

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#90 VFighter
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@latech84: I should have ended that in a "IMO" because for me it wasn't all that, but if you're into PC gaming that's great. I just get tired of the endless fanboy BS on both sides.

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#91  Edited By LAtech84
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@vfighter: Thanks, I really appreciate that. I fully agree about the fanboy BS on both sides, well said my friend. I get tired of it as well.

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@i_p_daily:

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@BassMan: See you got no argument. #facepalm

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#94 BassMan
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@i_p_daily: We have had these discussions several times. I will keep handing you the Ls for you to collect.

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30 fps doesn't look better than 60 fps no matter how much higher the settings are. I'm sorry.

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Man, console only gamers really blow my mind sometimes. Thank god i'm not one anymore

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@davillain- said:
@DarthaPerkinjan said:
@parkerrand said:
@pc_rocks said:
@parkerrand said:

Curious what kinda hardware that's currently available would run that UE5 demo at 60fps if any.

Not much, a laptop featuring Nvidia Ampere since Turing laptop can already run it at 40FPS+.

Where is the benchmark on that? And what GPU is in that?

The GPU used in the laptop is expected to cost $799

Hermits are frikin insane. A $799 GPU cannot run that demo anywhere near 60fps, yet they will swear consoles are missing out because it runs at 30fps on PS5.

It's clear to me that he thinks a mobile RTX 2080 performs the same as its desktop counterpart hence why he is saying an $800 GPU cannot run the demo cannot run the demo near 60fps. Reality is that the RTX 2080 Max Q which is assumed to be the GPU in the laptop and stated by Jensen Huang to be faster than next gen consoles is on par with RTX 2060 desktop GPU. This isn't even factoring in the full mobile version of the RTX 2080 because the Max Q version is basically a 50% underclocked RTX 2080. The full mobile version of the RTX 2080 performs much better and is said to be around RTX 2070 Super performance and Epic stated that the UE5 demo ran pretty good on the RTX 2070.

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#98 tenaka2
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The problem with games aiming for 30fps is that when things get hectic that will dip to 15fps.

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#100 clone01
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If it looks and runs well for me, I don't really care. But obviously, 60FPS is better, and if some users want that, okay.