Chris Taylor to Hermits: YOUR INDUSTRY IS DYING BECAUSE OF PIRACY

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]No...The alliance was to "help" PC to get out a state they're in now. I like how you use 2006... What was the figures from 2007 to 2008?Vandalvideo

link the report.

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

Whoa don't bring DD in this. We all know majority of DD is from music...

Cute_Red_Panda

music doesn't have anything to do with gaming.

It is when you talking about Digital Distrubution on PC...

[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

Whoa don't bring DD in this. We all know majority of DD is from music...

Cute_Red_Panda

music doesn't have anything to do with gaming.

It is when you talking about Digital Distrubution on PC...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]No...The alliance was to "help" PC to get out a state they're in now. I like how you use 2006... What was the figures from 2007 to 2008?HuusAsking

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]No...The alliance was to "help" PC to get out a state they're in now. I like how you use 2006... What was the figures from 2007 to 2008?Cute_Red_Panda

link the report.

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

Whoa don't bring DD in this. We all know majority of DD is from music...

HuusAsking

music doesn't have anything to do with gaming.

It is when you talking about Digital Distrubution on PC...

Okay what statistic is he using that shows DD is booming?

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

Whoa don't bring DD in this. We all know majority of DD is from music...

Cute_Red_Panda

music doesn't have anything to do with gaming.

It is when you talking about Digital Distrubution on PC...

Okay what statistic is he using that shows DD is booming?

There's another thread about this. Look it up.

[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

Whoa don't bring DD in this. We all know majority of DD is from music...

Cute_Red_Panda

music doesn't have anything to do with gaming.

It is when you talking about Digital Distrubution on PC...

Okay what statistic is he using that shows DD is booming?

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/?p=1160#more-1160 Article by PC gaming alliance http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/50962 NPD article.Vandalvideo

I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.

Prove they are making less BECAUSE OF piracy. Stardock, CDPROJECT, etc have all released games that sold multi-million copies in their first months. They seem to be doing perfectly fine.Vandalvideo

If I could find pirated versions of these game would you concede they are making less? If I could point out a number of downloads of these pirated versions would you concede they are making less? If I could find a post on stardocks site where someone had trouble with the CD protection that they have put on their games would you believe they lost money to piracy? They have to pay for CD protection, customers do become frustrated with broken installs because of CD protection. You are right definitive proof is hard to come by even if I can easily find these things. Though it seems pretty logical to me to say they are at least losing some money because of piracy.

And even if its true they are doing fine, what if you would like games on PC that pull out all the stops. You know games with AAA teams working behind them? Games with 5 million dollar budgets? How much does piracy hurt those games?

I'm surprised no one mentioned that a game from 1992 had anti-piracy coding. Eye of the Beholder ring a bell? Basically once you installed the game you couldn't play it unless you answered some questions first to make sure your copy was ligit. A lot of games had stuff like that in them. Starcraft even had a CD-key.VoodooGamer

I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

Cute_Red_Panda

Was it ever? I could be wrong but consoles have been outselling PCs since...the Atari which means more console game sales. However, that doesn't mean the PC is on the decline. It's pretty much the same as it's ever been.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Prove they are making less BECAUSE OF piracy. Stardock, CDPROJECT, etc have all released games that sold multi-million copies in their first months. They seem to be doing perfectly fine.Vylence

If I could find pirated versions of these game would you concede they are making less? If I could point out a number of downloads of these pirated versions would you concede they are making less? If I could find a post on stardocks site where someone had trouble with the CD protection that they have put on their games would you believe they lost money to piracy? They have to pay for CD protection, customers do become frustrated with broken installs because of CD protection. You are right definitive proof is hard to come by even if I can easily find these things. Though it seems pretty logical to me to say they are at least losing some money because of piracy.

And even if its true they are doing fine, what if you would like games on PC that pull out all the stops. You know games with AAA teams working behind them? Games with 5 million dollar budgets? How much does piracy hurt those games?

I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

Cute_Red_Panda

I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

Cute_Red_Panda

Maybe not in North America, but PC gaming's biggest proponents are in Europe and Asia minus Japan. Both S.T.A.L.K.E.R. and The Witcher sold exceptionally well in Europe.

"massive growth" & "massive piracy" were also used in the same sentance.

I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Cute_Red_Panda

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Prove they are making less BECAUSE OF piracy. Stardock, CDPROJECT, etc have all released games that sold multi-million copies in their first months. They seem to be doing perfectly fine.Vylence

If I could find pirated versions of these game would you concede they are making less? If I could point out a number of downloads of these pirated versions would you concede they are making less? If I could find a post on stardocks site where someone had trouble with the CD protection that they have put on their games would you believe they lost money to piracy? They have to pay for CD protection, customers do become frustrated with broken installs because of CD protection. You are right definitive proof is hard to come by even if I can easily find these things. Though it seems pretty logical to me to say they are at least losing some money because of piracy.

And even if its true they are doing fine, what if you would like games on PC that pull out all the stops. You know games with AAA teams working behind them? Games with 5 million dollar budgets? How much does piracy hurt those games?

Do you have any qualms about buying Pre-owned games? Because that is costing devs money as well. These game owners who sell preowned games are middlemen in the game's distribution, but they did not sign contracts with the devs nor the publishers. How do you feel about that?

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Vandalvideo

What I read from the linked articles did present the numbers you are presenting.

But they also use the word "piracy" with the word "massive" in front of it.

Why leave that little fact out?

Wait I get it, they are just greedy. Those bastards, they want every penny from the product they are selling. How dare they.....

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

VoodooGamer

Was it ever? I could be wrong but consoles have been outselling PCs since...the Atari which means more console game sales. However, that doesn't mean the PC is on the decline. It's pretty much the same as it's ever been.

That begs the question. Is PC sufficent being the state its in, or is it trying to achieve a bigger goal? I think developers want to do more, hence why they are moving to console. PC isn't booming (lol). It's just continue to be on life support. PC gamers as yourself are okay with that, but I don't think developers are happy about it.

[QUOTE="Vylence"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Prove they are making less BECAUSE OF piracy. Stardock, CDPROJECT, etc have all released games that sold multi-million copies in their first months. They seem to be doing perfectly fine.Vandalvideo

If I could find pirated versions of these game would you concede they are making less? If I could point out a number of downloads of these pirated versions would you concede they are making less? If I could find a post on stardocks site where someone had trouble with the CD protection that they have put on their games would you believe they lost money to piracy? They have to pay for CD protection, customers do become frustrated with broken installs because of CD protection. You are right definitive proof is hard to come by even if I can easily find these things. Though it seems pretty logical to me to say they are at least losing some money because of piracy.

And even if its true they are doing fine, what if you would like games on PC that pull out all the stops. You know games with AAA teams working behind them? Games with 5 million dollar budgets? How much does piracy hurt those games?

Actually I can, any game developer who payed for CD protection lost money to piracy, any game which has a CD key lost money to piracy.

And you keep pointing out these amazing Indy developers, two does not a trend make. I can point out many more developers who are saying piracy is a big problem. And you still ignore that it would a negative that all blockbuster titles moved to consoles. Indy developers do not stay Indy developers if they make good games.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Coyo7e

What I read from the linked articles did present the numbers you are presenting.

But they also use the word "piracy" with the word "massive" in front of it.

Why leave that little fact out?

Wait I get it, they are just greedy. Those bastards, they want every penny from the product they are selling. How dare they.....

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

Cute_Red_Panda

Was it ever? I could be wrong but consoles have been outselling PCs since...the Atari which means more console game sales. However, that doesn't mean the PC is on the decline. It's pretty much the same as it's ever been.

That begs the question. Is PC sufficent being the state its in, or is it trying to achieve a bigger goal? I think developers want to do more, hence why they are moving to console. PC isn't booming (lol). It's just continue to be on life support. PC gamers as yourself are okay with that, but I don't think developers are happy about it.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Vylence"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"] Prove they are making less BECAUSE OF piracy. Stardock, CDPROJECT, etc have all released games that sold multi-million copies in their first months. They seem to be doing perfectly fine.Vylence

If I could find pirated versions of these game would you concede they are making less? If I could point out a number of downloads of these pirated versions would you concede they are making less? If I could find a post on stardocks site where someone had trouble with the CD protection that they have put on their games would you believe they lost money to piracy? They have to pay for CD protection, customers do become frustrated with broken installs because of CD protection. You are right definitive proof is hard to come by even if I can easily find these things. Though it seems pretty logical to me to say they are at least losing some money because of piracy.

And even if its true they are doing fine, what if you would like games on PC that pull out all the stops. You know games with AAA teams working behind them? Games with 5 million dollar budgets? How much does piracy hurt those games?

Actually I can, any game developer who payed for CD protection lost money to piracy, any game which has a CD key lost money to piracy.

And you keep pointing out these amazing Indy developers, two does not a trend make. I can point out many more developers who are saying piracy is a big problem. And you still ignore that it would a negative that all blockbuster titles moved to consoles. Indy developers do not stay Indy developers if they make good games.

Even the articles they are using to support their argument site massive piracy.

Give them credit, it is a special skill to ignore an elephant in the room.

Actually I can, any game developer who payed for CD protection lost money to piracy, any game which has a CD key lost money to piracy. And you keep pointing out these amazing Indy developers, two does not a trend make. I can point out many more developers who are saying piracy is a big problem. And you still ignore that it would a negative that all blockbuster titles moved to consoles. Indy developers do not stay Indy developers if they make good games.Vylence

Even the articles they are using to support their argument site massive piracy. Give them credit, it is a special skill to ignore an elephant in the room.Coyo7e

[QUOTE="VoodooGamer"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

Cute_Red_Panda

Was it ever? I could be wrong but consoles have been outselling PCs since...the Atari which means more console game sales. However, that doesn't mean the PC is on the decline. It's pretty much the same as it's ever been.

That begs the question. Is PC sufficent being the state its in, or is it trying to achieve a bigger goal? I think developers want to do more, hence why they are moving to console. PC isn't booming (lol). It's just continue to be on life support. PC gamers as yourself are okay with that, but I don't think developers are happy about it.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Vandalvideo

What I read from the linked articles did present the numbers you are presenting.

But they also use the word "piracy" with the word "massive" in front of it.

Why leave that little fact out?

Wait I get it, they are just greedy. Those bastards, they want every penny from the product they are selling. How dare they.....

You are blind if you can see the shift from PC dev's to consoles.

If you are happy getting console ports on your PC, then by all means, things are just wonderful...

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Vandalvideo

The misconception is to think the Mom that plays solitaire is the same as the jinx, addictive WOW player. Don't play the game of overall sales... We know they equate the Boss at work who plays hearts, and that Grandma who loves minesweep...

You are blind if you can see the shift from PC dev's to consoles.If you are happy getting console ports on your PC, then by all means, things are just wonderful...Coyo7e

Do you know how easy it is to Mod a X360 or Wii?elbow2k

The road of denial is a long and dangerous one.

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Cute_Red_Panda

The misconception is to think the Mom that plays solitaire is the same as the jinx, addictive WOW player. Don't play the game of overall sales... We know they equate the Boss at work who plays hearts, and that Grandma who loves minesweep...

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

Vandalvideo

Was it ever? I could be wrong but consoles have been outselling PCs since...the Atari which means more console game sales. However, that doesn't mean the PC is on the decline. It's pretty much the same as it's ever been.

That begs the question. Is PC sufficent being the state its in, or is it trying to achieve a bigger goal? I think developers want to do more, hence why they are moving to console. PC isn't booming (lol). It's just continue to be on life support. PC gamers as yourself are okay with that, but I don't think developers are happy about it.

If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...

If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...Cute_Red_Panda

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Vandalvideo

The misconception is to think the Mom that plays solitaire is the same as the jinx, addictive WOW player. Don't play the game of overall sales... We know they equate the Boss at work who plays hearts, and that Grandma who loves minesweep...

The point is they count them... So out of the 30% we really don't know how much of that is equated to Real PC games...

The point is they count them... So out of the 30% we really don't know how much of that is equated to Real PC games...Cute_Red_Panda

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"][QUOTE="VoodooGamer"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibilty that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exaxt number from DD... The article state thatPC sales is no where near console and portable.

Cute_Red_Panda

Was it ever? I could be wrong but consoles have been outselling PCs since...the Atari which means more console game sales. However, that doesn't mean the PC is on the decline. It's pretty much the same as it's ever been.

That begs the question. Is PC sufficent being the state its in, or is it trying to achieve a bigger goal? I think developers want to do more, hence why they are moving to console. PC isn't booming (lol). It's just continue to be on life support. PC gamers as yourself are okay with that, but I don't think developers are happy about it.

If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Cute_Red_Panda

The misconception is to think the Mom that plays solitaire is the same as the jinx, addictive WOW player. Don't play the game of overall sales... We know they equate the Boss at work who plays hearts, and that Grandma who loves minesweep...

I think it's a bigger misconception that all Mom plays is solitare, especially when women make up the majority of online gamers (over 60%) thanks to games like WoW.

If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...

Cute_Red_Panda

I wouldn't worry about Epic or Gas Powered Games leaving at all until Blizzard or Valve does.

People said the exact same thing when Id blamed Doom 3's disappointment on Piracy. Guess that worked out for them didn't it?

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]I see, but there is a possibility that PC gaming is on a decline, even without having the knowledge the exact number from DD... The article state that PC sales is no where near console and portable.Cute_Red_Panda

The misconception is to think the Mom that plays solitaire is the same as the jinx, addictive WOW player. Don't play the game of overall sales... We know they equate the Boss at work who plays hearts, and that Grandma who loves minesweep...

Wrong. The # of PC gamers if affected by this. Minesweeper and solitare have nothing to do with the 30% of sales.

[QUOTE="Coyo7e"]Even the articles they are using to support their argument site massive piracy. Give them credit, it is a special skill to ignore an elephant in the room.Vandalvideo

Deflection.

In the very article youuse to site PC gamings growth, in the very same sentence in witch they mention massive growth they also say "massive piracy".

Nobody is denying that piracy exists everywhere. I am sure NIntendo thinks it is a big problem.

But PC dev's are changing focus from PC's to consoles and I think that sucks. Because it is a big problem.

Keep running circles around all the facts and only use those that support your ideals.

The ideal that stealing is ok because people have always stolen games, and PC dev's are just greedy because they are already making a profit.

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...Vandalvideo

I have not one logical foundation of my claim except the departue of PC developers going to console. Honestly, that's all I really need. Your evidence is nothing more than rhetoric to pious PC gamers...

Deflection. In the very article youuse to site PC gamings growth, in the very same sentence in witch they mention massive growth they also say "massive piracy Nobody is denying that piracy exists everywhere. I am sure NIntendo thinks it is a big problem. But PC dev's are changing focus from PC's to consoles and I think that sucks. Because it is a big problem.Keep running circles around all the facts and only use those that support your ideals.The ideal that stealing is ok because people have always stolen games, and PC dev's are just greedy because they are already making a profit.Coyo7e

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...Cute_Red_Panda

I have not one logical foundation of my claim except the departue of PC developers going to console. Honestly, that's all I really need. Your evidence is nothing more than rhetoric to pious PC gamers...

These devs are leaving the PC because they failed at what they set out to do: giving an innovative product to PC gamers.

[QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...Vandalvideo

The evidence you provide did as much to support the supposition that piracy is hurting as anything.

PC developers, people who make games for the PC, saying piracy sucks and why not just make console games, is pretty damn compelling evidence.

Find some recent quotes of PC dev's saying the opposite.

I would find the read interesting if you can find it.

Its just as bad as how Hermits want to kill the middle man, they want people to lose jobs just because they themselves are too lazy or afraid to leave their house.wok7

Your sig looks like you need to clean yours...

[QUOTE="Vandalvideo"][QUOTE="Cute_Red_Panda"]If what you say is true, then why developers continue to leave? Put 2 and 2 together Vandel...Cute_Red_Panda

I have not one logical foundation of my claim except the departue of PC developers going to console. Honestly, that's all I really need. Your evidence is nothing more than rhetoric to pious PC gamers...

The same reason DMC4 is on the 360. To get more of the market. But since devs are putting previous Sony console exclusives on other platforms then playstaion must be dieing. Also, WoW kinda disproves your theory.

[QUOTE="Vylence"]Actually I can, any game developer who payed for CD protection lost money to piracy, any game which has a CD key lost money to piracy. And you keep pointing out these amazing Indy developers, two does not a trend make. I can point out many more developers who are saying piracy is a big problem. And you still ignore that it would a negative that all blockbuster titles moved to consoles. Indy developers do not stay Indy developers if they make good games.Vandalvideo

If there is no piracy why would they put CD protection on their games? You defy logic.

Link. Witchers CD protection. And I do not se how you can say anthing about Sins since it just came out and we do not know what the sales will be like.