Can we stop pretending that, with the exception of NaughtyDog and SSM.........

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#1 Posted by StrongDeadlift (5594 posts) -

That ALL of Sony's first party are AAA powerhouses, and with the exception of the above, they arent ALL B-D tier studios, and that with the exception of the above, Sony has some ungodly super duper first party thats tiers above anything else?

I mean, when MS bought Obsidian of all studios, not to mention Playground, Ninja Theory, we had cows refering to them as "a bunch of B-D studios" like they were nobodys. More importantly, Like literally ALL of Sonys first party outside ND/SSM doesnt fit into that description. Seriously, who else besides those two doesnt fit that mold?

Sucker Punch? Guerilla Games?

Bend studios, who hasnt produced anything of value in decades, but featured prominently on cow "why sony first party is super duper" lists for years (for some reason). Just sayin.

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#2 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

Well Guerilla Games last game is AAA powerhouse with Horizon so that makes it three triple A studios. That's nothing to scuff at.

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#3 Posted by VFighter (5112 posts) -

@StrongDeadlift: Once you rewrite that in English I'll try my best to answer it.

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#4 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3329 posts) -

Naughty Dog has only made one great game. The Last of Us is the only one I would give any praise. The Uncharted series probably the most overrated of the past 2 generations.

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#5 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@goldenelementxl said:

Naughty Dog has only made one great game. The Last of Us is the only one I would give any praise. The Uncharted series probably the most overrated of the past 2 generations.

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#6 Posted by VFighter (5112 posts) -

@goldenelementxl: Nah, Uncharted 2 and 4 are amazing. 1 and 3 are damn good, TLoU is also amazing.

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#7 Edited by BoxRekt (1995 posts) -

Triggered fanboy alert!

So because 1 game failed to meet the high Standard Sony has set for their studios you go off on a wild fanboy rant about Sony studios not being AAA powerhouse?

lol poor guy, you do realize that most people actually expected Days Gone to not be up the the standard of other Sony studios right?

lol now you're trying to lash out a all other studios as if Days Gone's reception is some kind of validation of this insecurity you've obviously been holding in side for some time now?

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#8 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -
@vfighter said:

@goldenelementxl: Nah, Uncharted 2 and 4 are amazing. 1 and 3 are damn good, TLoU is also amazing.

1 and 2 were amazing, 3 and 4 filled me with regret.

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#9 Posted by SaltSlasher (1227 posts) -

All these powerhouse studios, did 1 big game each this gen? Half of them big cause of that 1 game.

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#10 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: Be serious. 1 was a turd. 2 was good. 3 was eh. 4 was eh but better than 3.

Uncharted 2

Gap

Uncharted 4

Uncharted 3

Gap

Uncharted

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#11 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990: OK. I am not sure how that changes my opinion or my view on the games or the point you are trying to make.

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#12 Posted by sealionact (4068 posts) -

@boxrekt: Dang.....someone say something mean about your Sony?

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#13 Posted by speedytimsi (969 posts) -

Well MS had to close down a few studios....

But i don't understand the point. All great studios has a few hiccups. I don't believe there is one studio ever that hasn't had one.

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#14 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: You’re wrong that’s all.

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#15 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990 said:

@Pedro: You’re wrong that’s all.

My opinion triggered you that's all.

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#16 Posted by Heil68 (58244 posts) -
@Pedro said:

Well Guerilla Games last game is AAA powerhouse with Horizon so that makes it three triple A studios. That's nothing to scuff at.

TC was owned in first post.. He's MAD that SONY, current gen 8 console leader with PS4 is leading exclusives with a plethora of world class developers.

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#17 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: I saw something incorrect and had to correct it, that’s all.

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#18 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4850 posts) -

What's Xbox's top studio? Playground? And they haven't made anything other than racers... they're still unproven in other aspects. Sony still has a great bunch of studios and IPs at their disposal. Talk big when those studios Xbox acquired turn out some steady hits.

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#20 Posted by Subspecies (660 posts) -

Threads like this make me think that TC just sits around all year waiting for a Sony game to flop so he can--------->make a thread like this.

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#21 Posted by BenjaminBanklin (4850 posts) -
@razzle11 said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

What's Xbox's top studio? Playground? And they haven't made anything other than racers... they're still unproven in other aspects. Sony still has a great bunch of studios and IPs at their disposal. Talk big when those studios Xbox acquired turn out some steady hits.

What has Sony SM made beside God of War? Lets not dismiss a studio by saying "derp racer" plus we know PG is working on an RPG

That's like arguing what has Obsidian and InXile made beside RPG's....they're RPG studios..what else are they going to make?

343i makes FPS, Coalition makes TPS, Turn 10 makes racing.

Most studios only work on 1 maybe 2 genres of games. You can't fault the MLB studio for only making baseball games, they make damn good ones.

Sony Santa Monica has been developing and collaborating on games since PS2. Are you a broadband gamer or something? Playground has ZERO experience outside of racers, so we don't know how their other efforts will turn out. An RPG is a huge degree of difference from a racing game.

As it stands, they're the only Xbox studio that's delivered MS 90+ MC games for them this gen. But they're racers. Not exactly a genre that's moving the needle for any platform anymore (unless it's got Mario in it). Not sure why MS would trust them to deliver outside of their level of expertise.

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#22 Posted by Ant_17 (12697 posts) -

I can't make heads or tales from the tc.

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#23 Posted by Son-Goku7523 (955 posts) -

Is the OP typing in English? I can’t understand anything he’s saying.

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#24 Posted by Random_Matt (4287 posts) -

@razzle11 said:
@BenjaminBanklin said:

What's Xbox's top studio? Playground? And they haven't made anything other than racers... they're still unproven in other aspects. Sony still has a great bunch of studios and IPs at their disposal. Talk big when those studios Xbox acquired turn out some steady hits.

What has Sony SM made beside God of War? Lets not dismiss a studio by saying "derp racer" plus we know PG is working on an RPG

That's like arguing what has Obsidian and InXile made beside RPG's....they're RPG studios..what else are they going to make?

343i makes FPS, Coalition makes TPS, Turn 10 makes racing.

Most studios only work on 1 maybe 2 genres of games. You can't fault the MLB studio for only making baseball games, they make damn good ones.

Neverwinter Nights 3 hopefully.

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#25 Edited by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990: You saw an opinion that you didn't like and falsely believed that your opinion on the matter was worth something so you injected yourself into the conversation. That's all.😎

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#26 Edited by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

I think people need to really analyze what tier a studio fits in.

Top tier or S- tier to me are studios that consistently find commercial and critical success in different IP's or genres. These are the very best in the industry. With games that consistently hit 9+ on metacritic never below an 8 and have good to great sales that go with it. In my mind ND and SSM are realistically the only two that would be in that category for Sony however that's pretty amazing because to me that's a very small category and honestly Microsoft has nobody in this tier. Top tier studios would be the following.

S-tier

Rockstar Games

CD Project Red

Sony Santa Monica

Naughty Dog

Nintendo

Blizzard

The second is is A tier. These are devs that score consistently in the mid 8 to 9s but never below an 8 with decent sales. And also find a way to do it in different genres or with multiple Ip's . Just outside of the elite. They would be the following.

A- tier

Capcom

From Software

Crystal Dynamics

Rocksteady

The Third is right below that. I think most people would call this B- tier but these are still great devs. These studios are ones that usually average 8 on MC with some 9s and have solid to good sales. They may also be one trick ponies meaning they have only done one very specific genre well which keeps them from being in the S or A tiers. They may have a few missteps along the way but never below a 7 and they are rare. Microsoft's best studios belong in this category and Sony has some of their best studios here as well. I would put the following studios on this list.

B-tier

Insomniac

343 studios

The Coalition

Gurilla Games

Sucker Punch

Turn 10

Ninja Theory

Obsidian

Media Molecule

Playground Games

Then next would be C tier. These are devs that may have a good mix of hits and misses. The best games they make score 8+ on MC with decent sales but they have quite a few 7s and some below. The following are

C-tier

Sony San Diego

Ubisoft Montreal

Polyphony Digital

Sony Japan

Bioware

Dice

Rare

The next would be D-tier. These are studios that consistently that really struggle to have any titles in the 8+ range or are just unproven and haven't released enough for us to have an idea of what their capable of.

D-tier

Sony Bend

Undead labs

Compulsion games

So honestly anything B-tier or up in my book is worth getting excited about. My list is mostly compromised of their work over the last 10 years as studios can change tiers over time.

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#27 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: You should thank me for educating. Often times, education is paid.

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#28 Edited by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990 said:

@Pedro: You should thank me for educating. Often times, education is paid.

My opinions really affected you it seems. :)

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#29 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: I’m merely here to spread knowledge and cull ignorance. My work here is done.

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#30 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@blackhairedhero: You just made up your own studio tier classification based practically nothing of substance. You folks are hilarious.

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#31 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990: You only made yourself look more ignorant. Yikes!

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#32 Posted by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

@Pedro: Critical success, sales and consistency I'd say are good areas to judge a studio.

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#33 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: And you’re still wrong but it’s OK. I’ll keep educating you free of charge. Our youth needs guidance.

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#34 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990 said:

@Pedro: And you’re still wrong but it’s OK. I’ll keep educating you free of charge. Our youth needs guidance.

And you're still upset but it's OK. One day you will understand that people can have different takes on games than you and not be triggered. :)

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#35 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@blackhairedhero said:

@Pedro: Critical success, sales and consistency I'd say are good areas to judge a studio.

You have not presented any of those things in your comment for each studio, so no substance.

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#36 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: Glad you agree with me on you being wrong. Look forward to my next class, child.

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#37 Edited by xhawk27 (11331 posts) -

@blackhairedhero: You put Playground games as B tier?

If Halo Infinite is great then you have to put 343i in the A tier group.

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#38 Edited by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

@Pedro: Every studio meets the following criteria I put over their tiers.

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#39 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990 said:

@Pedro: Glad you agree with me on you being wrong. Look forward to my next class, child.

Damn! My comments must of really burned now you are trying the "child" tactic to save face.

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#40 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@Pedro: Child is condescending. It implies you aren’t my equal when you are. You’re just far more ignorant.

Look forward to my next class my friend.

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#41 Edited by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@Juub1990 said:

@Pedro: Child is condescending. It implies you aren’t my equal when you are. You’re just far more ignorant.

Look forward to my next class my friend.

Damn! You actually thought you needed to explain it and wasn't able to see what I did. Yikes!

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#42 Edited by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

@xhawk27: Playground games is only B-tier because they have only done one very specific genre and IP well. If they can do any other genre to the level of FH then they will be A-tier. If Halo Infinite hits 9+ 343 could move to A-tier as well. The list isn't set in stone. In my opinion Bioware went from an A to a C in recent years and Capcom went from a C to an A. It can change every few years. Guerilla and Sucker Punch or just outside of A-tier as well.

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#43 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@blackhairedhero: The only notable franchise from Sony Santa Monica is God of War but you have them as S-tier.

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#44 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

@blackhairedhero said:

@xhawk27: Playground games is only B-tier because they have only done one very specific genre and IP well. If they can do any other genre to the level of FH then they will be A-tier. If Halo Infinite hits 9+ 343 could move to A- tier as well.

But CD Project Red is different because?

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#46 Edited by Blackhairedhero (3233 posts) -

@Pedro: Because although they have only one proven IP The Witcher IP, 2 and 3 were still different genres. 2 was a more linear WRPG while in three they showed they could move to an open world RPG. Notice I said ( very specific genre) meaning they haven't deviated at all from their existing formula. They also had Thronebreaker which was a card game with a 9+ meta score.

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#48 Edited by speedytimsi (969 posts) -

@blackhairedhero said:

I think people need to really analyze what tier a studio fits in.

Top tier or S- tier to me are studios that consistently find commercial and critical success in different IP's or genres. These are the very best in the industry. With games that consistently hit 9+ on metacritic never below an 8 and have good to great sales that go with it. In my mind ND and SSM are realistically the only two that would be in that category for Sony however that's pretty amazing because to me that's a very small category and honestly Microsoft has nobody in this tier. Top tier studios would be the following.

Bugthesda must've fall through all those tiers :p

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#49 Posted by Pedro (35379 posts) -

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@Pedro: Because although they have only one proven IP The Witcher IP. 2 and 3 were still different genres. 2 was a more linear WRPG while in three they showed they could move to an open world RPG. Notice I said ( very specific genre) meaning they haven't deviated at all from their existing formula. They also had Thronebreaker which was a card game with a 9+ meta score.

No, they were not different genres. They were both RPG games. The Witcher series are and have always been part of one genre, RPGs. You have just invalidated yourself and your baseless categorization.

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#50 Posted by Juub1990 (8668 posts) -

@blackhairedhero: No GTFO. Witcher 2 and Witcher 3 are both RPG’s.