Can Nintendo survive in the console market........

with a 10 - 15 million user install base going forward?

How low can Nintendo's install base fall before Nintendo decides it isn't worth it to stay in the home console market?

The NX home console is not likely to do any better than the Wii U did without some kind of revolutionary gimmick, so is the current install base good enough for Nintendo?

yes but i cant survive this theard

Can you please elaborate? I think my question is fair and reasonable.

Yes, but by the hair of its teeth, and not from any core gamers.

I think that Nintendo is going to be just fine personally.

With a dwindling install base for both their handhelds and home consoles I'm not very optimistic about their future in regards to their hardware.

Well, Jankarcop is still around. Proof that anything's possible.

you assume nx is a home console with no proof

Yes, their games are selling great with that Wii U install base and they are making profit. Mario Kart 8 has sold 5 million plus copies out of 10 million plus users and will continue to sell more. Nintendo cant be stopped.

The NX is a unified platform for future Nintendo hardware. There will be both an NX handheld and NX home console.

nothing has been accounced its assuming

Iwata specifically stated what they are planning for their future hardware and its a platform similar to IOS.

http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/02/iwata_looking_to_emulate_ios_and_android_with_a_common_platform_for_future_nintendo_hardware

The demographic that buys videogames has changed drastically. Nintendo doesn't fit within the current popular realm. If they continue to sell a high quality product then people will continue to buy it.

i dont know either....

but the claim that their sales have been going down gen after gen is bullshit.

DS and wii sold the most of any nintendo system and that was coming from a 15million selling gamecube and 60million gameboy advance...

nothing has been announced

Yes, this industry is as volatil as you can get, you can go for last place to first very quickly just like both Sony and Nintendo have learned all this years.

Did you even read the article?

We know that the NX is a dedicated gaming platform.

Iwata specifically stated that future Nintendo hardware will be based upon a unified architecture like iOS devices.

Yes, the DS did very good, but the 3DS at best will sell only half as well. That would put it behind GBA sales numbers.

In regards to the original Wii, we know that was a unique exception. It was the right gimmick at the right time. Nintendo home consoles have seen a steady decline in sales since the SNES and the Wii U continues this tradition by being Nintendo's worst selling main line console thus far.

Well what if their NX gimmick whatever it is sells like Wii..what will you say then?.. :P

Considering the PS4 is on track to becoming one of the best selling consoles ever I would say yes the future of home consoles looks bright.

GBA 80 million>>DS 150million>>>3DS 60million

GC 20 million>>wii 100million>>>wiiU 10 million

this is not a decline in sales....there is something preventing that. do you spot it? its in the middle.

try to erase the wii out of history all you want but wii sports was THE GAME of that generation.

as for the DS i dont know how you explain that in your sales declining every gen.

Do you know what the odds are for that to happen? That would be like someone winning the Lottery twice.

@emgesp: They are only selling good cause it been so long since PS3 and they have been opening up new markets in other countries, but home consoles are still dying.

lol..guys nintendo won the lottery!

this thread just went down in flames.

The PS3 outsold the Xbox 360 WW like 2-3 yrs ago.

It's the same story every generation...

NES era - Console gaming is dead. Nintendo is doomed!

SNES era - Sega is outselling. Nintendo is doomed!

N64 era - Sony is dominating. Nintendo is doomed!

GC era - Sales have dwindled. Nintendo is doomed!

Wii era - Gimmicks. Nintendo is doomed!

Wii U era - Sales have dwindled again. Nintendo is doomed!

I hope for the sake of the industry that Nintendo continues to make hardware...

Original Gameboy/GBC 120 million >>>> GBA 80 million >>>> DS 150 million >>>> 3DS 60 - 65 million tops

NES 60 Million >>>> SNES 50 million >>>>> N64 35 million >>>>>>> Gamecube 21 million >>>>> Wii 100 million> >>>> Wii U 15 million tops


So, there was only one exception per platform. Nintendo has been steadily losing their install base since the 90's.

Sure they will , those 10mill Wiiu owners have pre-ordered the NX as we speak.

Correction, only Nintendo consoles are dying.

XB1 is still selling better than the 360 did during the same time frame.

While I'll agree calling Nintendo doomed in the 90's was premature, I don't think the same can be said about Nintendo's current situation in terms of their home consoles.

There are more gamers now than in 2001 - 2004, yet the Wii U won't even sell as well, or better than the Gamecube. That speaks for itself.

Thats only because instead of being $600 dollar consoles, they are cheaper now and its been so long since people bought the older gens. Just look at Japan, Xbox One is dead and PS4 is selling way worst then PS3. Matter of fact, just the other week Wii U beat PS4 in sales for the week by a couple thousand. And remember PS3 was like double the price almost.

Nintendo has taken over Japan and leads in handheld and home console sells with 3DS destroying the Vita and Wii U still beating the PS4 in total sales.

they fought since 2012 to achieve the 10 million they got, even though they can come up with great games they don't have the install base to make huge money on software

right now Sony and MS are able to make console hardware that costs more than it sells for because they'll make it back in game sales, or they hope to anyways

there's a misleading narrative that Nintendo is profiting on Wii U hardware, and we really don't know for real the situation given Nintendo's initial reasoning on selling Wii U at a profit is they built an excessive inventory of Wii U units they couldn't sell, so they lost money earlier in other fiscal years/quarters, they spent money to produce them they never made back right away, but given they're able to not need to produce more consoles and just sell existing unsold inventory means from here on forward they don't have to waste any additional money producing them to sell them because they have that inventory they took a loss on earlier, that's kind of misleading

I still worry about their presence in the console market, 6-7 years after the Xbox 360 and PS3 released and Nintendo can't get the Wii U to share some of the most basic features that both MS and Sony incorporated into their online services, I'm not confident they have the manpower, or the willpower, to compete in the same matter, to throw caution to the wind like MS and Sony and spend more than they make to establish market dominance, I think they're too reliant on gimmicks and not on focusing on making the best game with their key franchises

now, how they do on consoles, and how they do on handhelds, it's like night and day, they're like the complete opposite of Sony in terms of their success with the PS4 but failure with the Vita

and, unless their deputy CEO has an ace up his sleeve I'm not expecting any big turn around for Nintendo over the next few years

a lot of people right now are hung up on whether the NX will be powerful, that's not an issue for me, I'm okay if Nintendo has weaker hardware at this point I'd get a Nintendo platform just to play Nintendo games... well, I was with the Wii U, but I'm starting to feel like Nintendo is wasting my time

The 360 was $299.99 - $399.99 when it was first released in 2005.

you theory holds true for NES>gamecube

then it stops...

now you start again at the wiiU....we need another gen where nintendo sell less than 10million for you to make your point again.

saying nintendo sells less every gen is premature.

---- not even mentioning handhelds where they are undefeated something not even sony has done----

@emgesp: Good lord, why they charging so much now for such weaker hardware. Yeah, it was PS3 i guess that was $600.

Agree.

Agree.

Agree.

Nintendo has a very strong and enviable install base when you take both handhelds and consoles into consideration. They both play Nintendo video games. And proof that gamers still love Nintendo games.

Why do we have to start again when we know why the original Wii was an exception? The original Wii broke tradition of a declining install base because Nintendo temporary got casuals on board. The Wii U proves that without the casuals Nintendo will continue to lose their install base per generation. Now, how much more of their install base they will lose with the NX home console is anyone's guess. If it doesn't have a gimmick that entices casuals then I'm gonna assume the next console will sell no better than the Wii U and most likely sell a bit worse.

Because both Sony and Microsoft were taking a loss per unit sold with the 360/PS3 when they first launched.

It is no longer a good business strategy to sell your hardware at a huge loss, so both Sony and Microsoft changed their approach and priced their consoles as to make a profit from the very start.

@emgesp: Yeah, Nintendo was smart with that, i still cant believe they sold so much stuff at the prices they did, simply amazing.

yea the wii is the exception that makes your nintendo sells less everyday bullshit.

which is what originally said.

now if the nx or whatever the real next system is and sells less than 10 million then you have something to go on because that will be two consecutive years to prove your point.

yes wii sold to casuals but i know almost every real gamer bought one too....even if its in their closet gathering dust. they bought it.

you telling me ps2 sold to 150 million gamers and no casuals? yea right! no one wanted a dvd player right?

The DVD player sold the PS2 initially, but the console still sold like hot cakes years after when standalone DVD players could be had for $99.

The PS1 didn't really have a gimmick, yet it still sold over 100 million units back in the 90's no less when there were less gamers than now.

We both know that without the casuals the original Wii wouldn't have sold even half as well as it did.

dude ps1 was a cd player....thats sonys gimmick with consoles...they serve as media players as well as game machines.

CD music playback is not what sold the PS1. You could purchase cheaper standalone CD players back in 1995.

Good games and quality 3D graphics for the time is what sold the PS1

I see the NDF is here in full force. emgesp, it's a futile effort. The word outlier is lost on them, as is the pattern of a declining trend which stares in stark contrast to their argument.

Games sold well within the user-base, and so what? The Wii sold well, and so what? That graph spells one thing: unsustainability, with one exception that was an immense success which had little to do with Nintendo's traditional offerings but more so the motion controls. I suppose if you don't live in a world where business and fiscal responsibilities are a reality everything is hunky-dory with Nintendo, but the above graph is worrisome. The Wii means nothing, as the majority of those consoles sold were sold on the promise of motion controls to those who didn't even hold an interest in Nintendo's games (or really gaming in general). Wii Sports. Now, those systems are in the back corner of everyone's garage collecting dust. They need another lightning in a bottle hit, which is extremely unlikely. Nintendo's not going to continue in gaming very long if the above decline continues.

They need to shift gears massively if they made a uptodate at least ps4 level powered system that got all 3rd party games and Nintendo exclusives they should do well. Star Fox Zero coming next year I think most of us are reading into things and assuming the full story is: Along with Zelda, Star Fox will also be a launch title for the NX.

@MirkoS77 said:

@emgesp said:

@KBFloYd said:

@emgesp said:

Original Gameboy/GBC 120 million >>>> GBA 80 million >>>> DS 150 million >>>> 3DS 60 - 65 million tops

NES 60 Million >>>> SNES 50 million >>>>> N64 35 million >>>>>>> Gamecube 21 million >>>>> Wii 100 million> >>>> Wii U 15 million tops

So, there was only one exception per platform. Nintendo has been steadily losing their install base since the 90's.

you theory holds true for NES>gamecube

then it stops...

now you start again at the wiiU....we need another gen where nintendo sell less than 10million for you to make your point again.

saying nintendo sells less every gen is premature.

---- not even mentioning handhelds where they are undefeated something not even sony has done----

Why do we have to start again when we know why the original Wii was an exception? The original Wii broke tradition of a declining install base because Nintendo temporary got casuals on board. The Wii U proves that without the casuals Nintendo will continue to lose their install base per generation. Now, how much more of their install base they will lose with the NX home console is anyone's guess. If it doesn't have a gimmick that entices casuals then I'm gonna assume the next console will sell no better than the Wii U and most likely sell a bit worse.

I see the NDF is here in full force. emgesp, it's a futile effort. The word outlier is lost on them, as is the pattern of a declining trend which stares in stark contrast to their argument.

Games sold well within the user-base, and so what? The Wii sold well, and so what? That graph spells one thing: unsustainability, with one exception that was an immense success which had little to do with Nintendo's traditional offerings but more so the motion controls. I suppose if you don't live in a world where business and fiscal responsibilities are a reality everything is hunky-dory with Nintendo, but the above graph is worrisome. The Wii means nothing, as the majority of those consoles sold were sold on the promise of motion controls to those who didn't even hold an interest in Nintendo's games (or really gaming in general). Wii Sports. Now, those systems are in the back corner of everyone's garage collecting dust. They need another lightning in a bottle hit, which is extremely unlikely. Nintendo's not going to continue in gaming very long if the above decline continues.

Wheres Nintendos handheld chart? Would be cool to see one for it also.

Its actually similar to the console chart. Each handheld gen has sold less than the predecesser with one exception just like Nintendo's home consoles.