Bumper car simulators (GT *cough cough)

After getting a few good hours of playtime in with Forza 2, I hardly see the point in calling GT games 'the bumper car simulator' because the collisions in Forza seem to be pretty elastic to me. As other drivers collide into me, we both seem to bump off into somewhat opposing directions.

The graphics also suck too. The cars just don't seem nearly as detailed as they do in GT games.

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

Fignewton50

I think you're a hermit that's trying to be a lemming who is really a cow.ShaneBeck

good one

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

Fignewton50

I'm just comparing the details in the cars. Take the headlights for example. The ones in GT games look much more intricate and detailed than the ones in Forza.

GT4 also offered penalties for ramming into other cars.

sure they may not be uber realistic, but having them there is vital to the racing aspect of the game.

In GT if I slam into the guy infront of me. No big deal I loose a bit of time, but I can still race.

In Forza if I slam into the guy infront of me, We're both screwed. I probably broke something on my car, and my wind resistance is going to get higher. You probably effed up the guy you hit also which is going piss him off just like a real race.

Last thing I want to say is that if I'm not mistaken Forza doesn't even do "real" damage they just have different models/skins to mimick damage. That means you're making 10 or so different damage models for each car. If Forza put all that effort into 1 car model like GT did they'd easily have the best looking cars.

Also I can't wait till lemmings start saying that the PS3 isn't powerfull enough to do collisions in GT (it's totally untrue but funny to start).

Complaining about Forza 2 yet again?

GT is good, but it is a game of bumper cars. I fly into a wall at 100 mph, and my car is in perfect condition. What gives?

I think you're a hermit that's trying to be a lemming who is really a cow.ShaneBeck

Definately a cow. I know from prior discussions. >_>

sure they may not be uber realistic, but having them there is vital to the racing aspect of the game.

In GT if I slam into the guy infront of me. No big deal I loose a bit of time, but I can still race.

In Forza if I slam into the guy infront of me, We're both screwed. I probably broke something on my car, and my wind resistance is going to get higher. You probably effed up the guy you hit also which is going piss him off just like a real race.

Last thing I want to say is that if I'm not mistaken Forza doesn't even do "real" damage they just have different models/skins to mimick damage. That means you're making 10 or so different damage models for each car. If Forza put all that effort into 1 car model like GT did they'd easily have the best looking cars.

Also I can't wait till lemmings start saying that the PS3 isn't powerfull enough to do collisions in GT (it's totally untrue but funny to start).

jrhawk42

Good points. I think serious racers (ie people who own these games) shouldn't even be slamming into other cars in the first place. Accidents happen, that's true, but features like these shouldn't be necessary to deter people from driving wrecklessly. Well, I suppose in a perfect world, that'd be true.

As for damage modelling, it seems like certain parts of the cars can fall off. Each part must have a separate skin or something to reflect the severity of the damage.

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

PikaPichu

I'm just comparing the details in the cars. Take the headlights for example. The ones in GT games look much more intricate and detailed than the ones in Forza.

GT4 also offered penalties for ramming into other cars.

Forza has penalties for hitting other cars. Have you even played the game you're bashing? :|

Complaining about Forza 2 yet again?

GT is good, but it is a game of bumper cars. I fly into a wall at 100 mph, and my car is in perfect condition. What gives?

BioShockOwnz

I fly into a wall in Forza at a high speed (>60mph) and it still runs. :?

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

Ninja-Vox

I'm just comparing the details in the cars. Take the headlights for example. The ones in GT games look much more intricate and detailed than the ones in Forza.

GT4 also offered penalties for ramming into other cars.

Forza has penalties for hitting other cars. Have you even played the game you're bashing? :|

I never said it didn't. Being a little harsh on me don't you think? :?

sure they may not be uber realistic, but having them there is vital to the racing aspect of the game.

In GT if I slam into the guy infront of me. No big deal I loose a bit of time, but I can still race.

In Forza if I slam into the guy infront of me, We're both screwed. I probably broke something on my car, and my wind resistance is going to get higher. You probably effed up the guy you hit also which is going piss him off just like a real race.

Last thing I want to say is that if I'm not mistaken Forza doesn't even do "real" damage they just have different models/skins to mimick damage. That means you're making 10 or so different damage models for each car. If Forza put all that effort into 1 car model like GT did they'd easily have the best looking cars.

Also I can't wait till lemmings start saying that the PS3 isn't powerfull enough to do collisions in GT (it's totally untrue but funny to start).

jrhawk42

yeah... it's must be the ps3's "hidden power"... :roll:

until gt raises their quality to match Forza, they're still the bumper car kings...:)

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

Kinitari

[QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Complaining about Forza 2 yet again?

GT is good, but it is a game of bumper cars. I fly into a wall at 100 mph, and my car is in perfect condition. What gives?

PikaPichu

I fly into a wall in Forza at a high speed (>60mph) and it still runs. :?

If you play the game on easy, your suspension will take a hit and you'll do damage to the front of the car, increasing your wind resistance and slowing you down. If you play on simulation, your car will be totalled and you'll be out of the race.

Again; do you have a genuine gripe or do you just want to bash an xbox game?

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="BioShockOwnz"]

Complaining about Forza 2 yet again?

GT is good, but it is a game of bumper cars. I fly into a wall at 100 mph, and my car is in perfect condition. What gives?

Ninja-Vox

I fly into a wall in Forza at a high speed (>60mph) and it still runs. :?

If you play the game on easy, your suspension will take a hit and you'll do damage to the front of the car, increasing your wind resistance and slowing you down. If you play on simulation, your car will be totalled and you'll be out of the race.

Again; do you have a genuine gripe or do you just want to bash an xbox game?

Um... I've just been playing the career mode on XBL and stick with whatever settings the hosts choose. Again, don't you thinking you're being a little harsh on me? (flaming?) :?

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

PikaPichu

I'm just comparing the details in the cars. Take the headlights for example. The ones in GT games look much more intricate and detailed than the ones in Forza.

GT4 also offered penalties for ramming into other cars.

Forza has penalties for hitting other cars. Have you even played the game you're bashing? :|

I never said it didn't. Being a little harsh on me don't you think? :?

you're being a little harsh on the truth don't you think?

forza does NOT have elastic collisions... that's ENTIRELY a GT feature....

then again, i think most readers already broke the code that you haven't really spent any time with Forza or forza 2 after that comment...;)

[QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

PikaPichu

I'm just comparing the details in the cars. Take the headlights for example. The ones in GT games look much more intricate and detailed than the ones in Forza.

GT4 also offered penalties for ramming into other cars.

I just want to make this point. Details in the graphics mean something to me. I think it meant that the dev put more time into the detial and what not. But to be honest when you trying to win a race who in the hell in their right mindis sitting there driving a car at 120, 150 miles an hour and stareing at the headlights saying "Wow those headlights could of gotten more detail." Come on really.

GT5 has 1,000 cars

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I think you're a hermit that's trying to be a lemming who is really a cow.ShaneBeck

Um... I've just been playing the career mode on XBL and stick with whatever settings the hosts choose. Again, don't you thinking you're being a little harsh on me? (flaming?) :?

PikaPichu

Point to where i flamed you by all means. :?

As for your "complaint" - you dont have one. If you play the game on simulation the crash damage is about as realistic as video games get. You can break your car's suspension, brakes, gearbox. And if you get into a big crash, you're out of the race altogether.

You can hardly whine about it if you're playing with no crash damage on. :?

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

xscrapzx

I'm just comparing the details in the cars. Take the headlights for example. The ones in GT games look much more intricate and detailed than the ones in Forza.

GT4 also offered penalties for ramming into other cars.

I just want to make this point. Details in the graphics mean something to me. I think it meant that the dev put more time into the detial and what not. But to be honest when you trying to win a race who in the hell in their right mindis sitting there driving a car at 120, 150 miles an hour and stareing at the headlights saying "Wow those headlights could of gotten more detail." Come on really.

Just settling an old argument (that Forza has better graphics than GT) is all. I'm mostly there to race. :)

this is my corvette after hitting another corvette at about 40- 50 mph. i kept driving into it a little, but that was to push it away. this is gameplay btw

Just settling an old argument (that Forza has better graphics than GT) is all. I'm mostly there to race. :)

PikaPichu

Again, you're probably just going to complain that i'm being "way harsh" on you - but what old arguement? Who denies the fact that GT5 has better graphics than Forza 2? Nobody. That wasn't your point at all. You made this thread to say that "GT is like bumper cars" isn't fair - and it completely is.

When it turns out that it was, you just go off on one looking for reasons to pick at Forza.

[QUOTE="xscrapzx"][QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="Fignewton50"]

So you're saying Forza 2 in HD doesn't look as good as GT4 in SD? Also, when two things that are similar weight collide into each other, they usuall travel away from each other. Try throwing two basketballs at each other.

I think GT4 is called the bumper car simulator because there was never a performance, time, or damage penalty for ramming into other cars. Forza makes a decent attempt at accounting for this cheap tactic with penalties, damage, and better physics.

PikaPichu

I'm just comparing the details in the cars. Take the headlights for example. The ones in GT games look much more intricate and detailed than the ones in Forza.

GT4 also offered penalties for ramming into other cars.

I just want to make this point. Details in the graphics mean something to me. I think it meant that the dev put more time into the detial and what not. But to be honest when you trying to win a race who in the hell in their right mindis sitting there driving a car at 120, 150 miles an hour and stareing at the headlights saying "Wow those headlights could of gotten more detail." Come on really.

Just settling an old argument (that Forza has better graphics than GT) is all. I'm mostly there to race. :)

Look when theGT comes out. Then I think you can actually sit there, and compare. The OFFICIAL game is what counts, not the demo, not this, not that. The OFFICIAL game that gets rated by gamespot will be the game that I sit there, and will compare the differences. Other than that I really don't want to hear about a forza to gt comparison. For the record Forza is damn good game with good graphics. The game might not be this mind blowing game of the century for racing sims, but you know what it looks pretty damn sweet on my HD tv, and I have enjoyed every minute of it.

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"]

Um... I've just been playing the career mode on XBL and stick with whatever settings the hosts choose. Again, don't you thinking you're being a little harsh on me? (flaming?) :?

Ninja-Vox

Point to where i flamed you by all means. :?

As for your "complaint" - you dont have one. If you play the game on simulation the crash damage is about as realistic as video games get. You can break your car's suspension, brakes, gearbox. And if you get into a big crash, you're out of the race altogether.

You can hardly whine about it if you're playing with no crash damage on. :?

Definately a cow. I know from prior discussions. >_>
Ninja-Vox

Forza has penalties for hitting other cars. Have you even played the game you're bashing? :|
Ninja-Vox

Again; do you have a genuine gripe or do you just want to bash an xbox game?
Ninja-Vox

I don't have a thick skin and find those comments insulting. :cry:

Quote "Just settling an old argument (that Forza has better graphics than GT) is all. I'm mostly there to race.

Look when theGT comes out. Then I think you can actually sit there, and compare. The OFFICIAL game is what counts, not the demo, not this, not that. The OFFICIAL game that gets rated by gamespot will be the game that I sit there, and will compare the differences. Other than that I really don't want to hear about a forza to gt comparison. For the record Forza is damn good game with good graphics. The game might not be this mind blowing game of the century for racing sims, but you know what it looks pretty damn sweet on my HD tv, and I have enjoyed every minute of it. "

But it's so hard for him to wait till mid 2009 before GT5 makes it out as a demo - ooops I mean game ! ;)

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"]

Just settling an old argument (that Forza has better graphics than GT) is all. I'm mostly there to race. :)

Ninja-Vox

Again, you're probably just going to complain that i'm being "way harsh" on you - but what old arguement? Who denies the fact that GT5 has better graphics than Forza 2? Nobody. That wasn't your point at all. You made this thread to say that "GT is like bumper cars" isn't fair - and it completely is.

When it turns out that it was, you just go off on one looking for reasons to pick at Forza.

I was just addressing his post. If I start going off on tangents, then I apologize. I can make a new thread about it if you'd like. Believe it or not, I've always thought these things about Forza and, now that I own the game, I have something solid to back my claims with.

After getting a few good hours of playtime in with Forza 2, I hardly see the point in calling GT games 'the bumper car simulator' because the collisions in Forza seem to be pretty elastic to me. As other drivers collide into me, we both seem to bump off into somewhat opposing directions.

The graphics also suck too. The cars just don't seem nearly as detailed as they do in GT games.

PikaPichu

GT 5 Damage modeling comfirmed, look it up. You can use google, Wiki, anything, you'll find it.

Uhhh...What is Newtons 3rd law again...?

Oh right, I remember now. Of course when you get hit your car is going to move! The point of the bumper car argument is not THAT the cars move after being hit, it's that the hitting has no consequence. Thus, you are just bouncing around everywhere all day, and it in no way simulates real life. In Forza, hitting causes damage, the harder the hit, the more damage caused.

Oh, and Forza doesn't look as good as GT games? I'm about the biggest GT fan on the planet, but I'm not going to sit idly by and let you claim that Forza doesn't look better than GT4. Don't bring in GTHD, it's not a game...and even if you consider it one, then you are saying that 10 cars and 1 track is more "detailed" than Forza.

Flaming is when somebody says "you're an idiot" or "shut up moron". It's uncalled for. Me questioning whether you have a genuine point or whether you're just a fanboy looking to bash an xbox game is not flaming. Sorry.Ninja-Vox

Of course I believe my points are genuine - most of my GT/Forza threads and replies are full of them. Questioning whether I own or have played something and labeling me as cow is insulting to me.

personally i take incar vieuw over unrealistic damage even more in a driving simulator its not a crash simulator ill buy burnout for that.....

this is what most heck all gt fans thinks, not the crashes or whatever its the realistic driving head to the gt forum and you will know what im talking about....

gt is the best driving simulator that comes close to how a car actinreal -life and thats what gt is all about... its not like lets see im going to hit the wall 100km and see what happens NO

[QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="PikaPichu"]

Just settling an old argument (that Forza has better graphics than GT) is all. I'm mostly there to race. :)

PikaPichu

Again, you're probably just going to complain that i'm being "way harsh" on you - but what old arguement? Who denies the fact that GT5 has better graphics than Forza 2? Nobody. That wasn't your point at all. You made this thread to say that "GT is like bumper cars" isn't fair - and it completely is.

When it turns out that it was, you just go off on one looking for reasons to pick at Forza.

I was just addressing his post. If I start going off on tangents, then I apologize. I can make a new thread about it if you'd like. Believe it or not, I've always thought these things about Forza and, now that I own the game, I have something solid to back my claims with.

You see where that may have some questioning you're sincerity?

I don't want a demolition derby Jagza.

I want to feel the luxary of the car, the beauty of it through photorealistic graphics. And I never crash anyways.

[QUOTE="PikaPichu"][QUOTE="Ninja-Vox"][QUOTE="PikaPichu"]

Just settling an old argument (that Forza has better graphics than GT) is all. I'm mostly there to race. :)

SecretPolice

Again, you're probably just going to complain that i'm being "way harsh" on you - but what old arguement? Who denies the fact that GT5 has better graphics than Forza 2? Nobody. That wasn't your point at all. You made this thread to say that "GT is like bumper cars" isn't fair - and it completely is.

When it turns out that it was, you just go off on one looking for reasons to pick at Forza.

I was just addressing his post. If I start going off on tangents, then I apologize. I can make a new thread about it if you'd like. Believe it or not, I've always thought these things about Forza and, now that I own the game, I have something solid to back my claims with.

You see where that may have some questioning you're sincerity?

I was trying to refer to GT and Forza games in general. I tried not to mention GT5 specifically in any of my posts.

i'd rather have a bumper car simulator then crazy damage that very unrealisticRagashahs

What exactly is unrealistic about Forza's damage? The extent of it is not true to life, but the type and cause of it is extremely realistic.

[QUOTE="Ragashahs"]i'd rather have a bumper car simulator then crazy damage that very unrealisticwhoisryanmack

What exactly is unrealistic about Forza's damage? The extent of it is not true to life, but the type and cause of it is extremely realistic.

I hoping he means that it isn't realistic enough.

i'd rather have a bumper car simulator then crazy damage that very unrealisticRagashahs

That makes sense. :|

Give kids the impression that when you fly into a wall at 100mph, there are no real life consequences. :|

personally i take incar vieuw over unrealistic damage even more in a driving simulator its not a crash simulator ill buy burnout for that.....

this is what most heck all gt fans thinks, not the crashes or whatever its the realistic driving head to the gt forum and you will know what im talking about....

gt is the best driving simulator that comes close to how a car actinreal -life and thats what gt is all about... its not like lets see im going to hit the wall 100km and see what happens NO

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