BioWare's Downward Spiral Continues: The Old Republic Goes F2P Except Not Really

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#1 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -

The Story:

Star Wars: The Old Republicis going free to play. That doesn't mean BioWare andElectronic Artswon't nudge you to open your wallet in a myriad of ways. Now we know what those methods will be. The developer and publisher have revealed SWTOR's subscription versus free-to-play features.

The good news for gamers wary of the free-to-play label: SWTOR will offer all free players full access to class story content from level one through 50. Everything else will be limited in one way or another. Here's the breakdown:

  • Character Creation Choices:lmited
  • Operations: a paid weekly pass is required
  • Warzones: three per week or the purchase of a paid pass required
  • Flashpoints: open, butopen, but with limited rewards after three full reward Flashpoints per week
  • Space Missions: three per week or open with a paid weekly pass
  • Cargo Hold: gain and expand with Cartel Coins (which cost real money)
  • Inventory: limited, can be expanded with Cartel Coins
  • Crew Skills: one for free, additional available for purchase
  • Quick Travel: longer cooldown period, can be removed with paid purchase
  • Emergency Fleet Pass: no free access, must be purchased
  • Death: revives at the nearest med center are unlimited, but free players can only revive in the field five times. Additional field revives must be purchased with Cartel Coins
  • Item Equipping: most purple items locked to free players unless a license is purchased

Hmm. Curious to know how many Cartel Coins a revive will cost after those free five run out. Could definitely make death a real penalty in SWTOR -- which is actually both good and bad. BioWare says more details on free to play are coming soon.

From GameSpy

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Man, I remember when this game came out, and everyone was all, "Finally, the game that will kill WoW." And it came out, had a good launch, and then it started losing subscribers by the truckload.

Now look at it. It's not even a year later and it's already adopting a pathetic Free 2 Play model so EA can milk it as long as they can before they shut it down.

Poor BioWare. Seeing that name come up before you played a game used to mean you were in for a good time. Now it just a brand for EA to slap on everything they can before they shutter the studios, and signals disappointing games like Dragon Age II, Mass Effect 3, and The Old Republic.

Meanwhile, the subscription-based MMO is alive and well in Pandaland (which is a great game, by the way), as WoW's subscribers are sitting pretty at over 10 million and ArenaNet is making money hand over fist with Guild Wars, a game with no subscription cost and one that actually doesn't suck.

What say you, System Warriors? Can BioWare redeem themselves, or should we just remember them as they were before EA takes them out behind the shed and does what needs to be done?

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#2 Posted by mems_1224 (56917 posts) -
mediocre game gets crappier. anyone really care?
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#3 Posted by Heil68 (57915 posts) -
I knew that would happen, but for them spending so much money on it, cant really blame them. The thing I like is "The good news for gamers wary of the free-to-play label: SWTOR will offer all free players full access to class story content from level one through 50. " and im going to do just that and not pay a single penny nor play any PVP.
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#4 Posted by Blabadon (33030 posts) -
I wish my PC could run Guild Wars 2.
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#5 Posted by DrTrafalgarLaw (4487 posts) -

Who would waste their time on a subpar MMORPG from a subpar developer anyway?

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#6 Posted by XVision84 (13985 posts) -

Bioware is dead.

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#7 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
I knew that would happen, but for them spending so much money on it, cant really blame them. The thing I like is "The good news for gamers wary of the free-to-play label: SWTOR will offer all free players full access to class story content from level one through 50. " and im going to do just that and not pay a single penny nor play any PVP. Heil68
I agree that making all of the story content free to play is great, but limiting your field revives, your quick travel, and your inventory unless you pay? That's just dickish. Hopefully this doesn't go over well and they change that bit.
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#8 Posted by GhoX (6267 posts) -
WoW is the only subscription-based MMO that manages to make lots of money and stay alive. It's not a business model other MMOs should or can take.
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#9 Posted by SaltyMeatballs (25164 posts) -
[QUOTE="Heil68"]I knew that would happen, but for them spending so much money on it, cant really blame them. The thing I like is "The good news for gamers wary of the free-to-play label: SWTOR will offer all free players full access to class story content from level one through 50. " and im going to do just that and not pay a single penny nor play any PVP. DarkLink77
I agree that making all of the story content free to play is great, but limiting your field revives, your quick travel, and your inventory unless you pay? That's just dickish. Hopefully this doesn't go over well and they change that bit.

The game was never free, it's still not free but has a free alternative. If it started off free then they implemented these things then you would have a point.
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#10 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
WoW is the only subscription-based MMO that manages to make lots of money and stay alive. It's not a business model other MMOs should or can take.GhoX
The Secret World seems to be doing okay.
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#11 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="Heil68"]I knew that would happen, but for them spending so much money on it, cant really blame them. The thing I like is "The good news for gamers wary of the free-to-play label: SWTOR will offer all free players full access to class story content from level one through 50. " and im going to do just that and not pay a single penny nor play any PVP. SaltyMeatballs
I agree that making all of the story content free to play is great, but limiting your field revives, your quick travel, and your inventory unless you pay? That's just dickish. Hopefully this doesn't go over well and they change that bit.

The game was never free, it's still not free but has a free alternative. If it started off free then they implemented these things then you would have a point.

You can download and play the game without paying money. That's called "free."
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#12 Posted by GhoX (6267 posts) -
[QUOTE="GhoX"]WoW is the only subscription-based MMO that manages to make lots of money and stay alive. It's not a business model other MMOs should or can take.DarkLink77
The Secret World seems to be doing okay.

It's not doing any better than TOR in its prime. Just like TOR, Secret World is trying to earn back its production cost than making any profit. A lot worse sales, and about equal retention rate.
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#13 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="GhoX"]WoW is the only subscription-based MMO that manages to make lots of money and stay alive. It's not a business model other MMOs should or can take.GhoX
The Secret World seems to be doing okay.

It's not doing any better than TOR in its prime. Just like TOR, Secret World is trying to earn back its production cost than making any profit. A lot worse sales, and about equal retention rate.

If the retention rate stays steady, it could stay subscription-based for a long time. I'll bet money it only cost a fraction of what TOR did.
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#14 Posted by Jankarcop (11056 posts) -

lmao thats one of the absolute worst F2P models i've ever seen.

Compare that to GW2's amazing system.

Christ what did EA do to bioware.

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#15 Posted by SaltyMeatballs (25164 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] I agree that making all of the story content free to play is great, but limiting your field revives, your quick travel, and your inventory unless you pay? That's just dickish. Hopefully this doesn't go over well and they change that bit.

The game was never free, it's still not free but has a free alternative. If it started off free then they implemented these things then you would have a point.

You can download and play the game without paying money. That's called "free."

Whereas before you had to pay indefinitely to play. Does it suck the way EA/Bioware are doing things? Looks terrible, but players who are interested to play for free never had the option before to even play this game without paying a dime, so moaning about possibly having to pay for some crap in the game now is superfluous.
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#16 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
[QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="SaltyMeatballs"] The game was never free, it's still not free but has a free alternative. If it started off free then they implemented these things then you would have a point.

You can download and play the game without paying money. That's called "free."

Whereas before you had to pay indefinitely to play. Does it suck the way EA/Bioware are doing things? Looks terrible, but players who are interested to play for free never had the option before to even play this game without paying a dime, so moaning about possibly having to pay for some crap in the game now is superfluous.

Not when they're charging you for basic gameplay features. I mean, come on.
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#17 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -

lmao thats one of the absolute worst F2P models i've ever seen.

Compare that to GW2's amazing system.

Christ what did EA do to bioware.

Jankarcop
Right? I mean... it's just awful. It's like no one actually looked at this and thought it through.
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#18 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?
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#19 Posted by DerekLoffin (9035 posts) -
Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?jg4xchamp
No, it is no subscription, but you still have to buy the game.
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#20 Posted by SPYDER0416 (16736 posts) -

That is the worst F2P model I can think of.

But since it's free I'll still enjoy the story aspects at least.

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#22 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?jg4xchamp
Yes, but you actually get all of the game content when you buy the game.
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#23 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?DerekLoffin
No, it is no subscription, but you still have to buy the game.

Sounds like a better deal, for what is argued as a much better game.
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#24 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?DarkLink77
Yes, but you actually get all of the game content when you buy the game.

I kind of want to get Guild Wars 2, but ...mmo
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#25 Posted by FrozenLiquid (13549 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?jg4xchamp
Yes, but you actually get all of the game content when you buy the game.

I kind of want to get Guild Wars 2, but ...mmo

Yeah, don't. Not to say it's a bad game. It's just a really good MMO.
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#26 Posted by Vesica_Prime (7062 posts) -

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#27 Posted by DerekLoffin (9035 posts) -
[QUOTE="DerekLoffin"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?jg4xchamp
No, it is no subscription, but you still have to buy the game.

Sounds like a better deal, for what is argued as a much better game.

It may be, although GW2 seems to be mostly about pvp and leveling. It's end game is pretty weak. SWTOR is more about leveling and end game, although it isn't stellar in end game either, but does have significantly more than GW2, although to access such you'll have to pay for it by the looks of it.
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#28 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -

[QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"]Isn't Guild Wars 2 f2p?jg4xchamp
Yes, but you actually get all of the game content when you buy the game.

I kind of want to get Guild Wars 2, but ...mmo

Not a fan of the genre, as I remember. :P Apparently Guild Wars is an MMO for people who hate MMO.

But I haven't played it myself, so I don't know how true that is. I remember the original being more like a single-player RPG than anything else, though.

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#29 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yes, but you actually get all of the game content when you buy the game.

I kind of want to get Guild Wars 2, but ...mmo

Yeah, don't. Not to say it's a bad game. It's just a really good MMO.

It isn't like this is 2004.Between 2 jobs, a broad, and my drinking habits I'm not exactly gonna get addicted.
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#30 Posted by FrozenLiquid (13549 posts) -
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I kind of want to get Guild Wars 2, but ...mmo

Yeah, don't. Not to say it's a bad game. It's just a really good MMO.

It isn't like this is 2004.Between 2 jobs, a broad, and my drinking habits I'm not exactly gonna get addicted.

Put it this way: How's Diablo 3 working for you?
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#31 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] Yes, but you actually get all of the game content when you buy the game.DarkLink77

I kind of want to get Guild Wars 2, but ...mmo

Not a fan of the genre, as I remember. :P Apparently Guild Wars is an MMO for people who hate MMO.

But I haven't played it myself, so I don't know how true that is. I remember the original being more like a single-player RPG than anything else, though.

I avoided WoW, because of the stigma that it was addicting. Because I can get pretty addicted to a solo game. Nowadays I don't see that as an issue. I enjoy p*ssy, drinking, and money too much to get addicted to a MMO.
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#32 Posted by Led_poison (10146 posts) -
That is actually a pretty limiting F2P model, but as long as you can play your class stories, guess that is ok.
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#33 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"] Yeah, don't. Not to say it's a bad game. It's just a really good MMO.

It isn't like this is 2004.Between 2 jobs, a broad, and my drinking habits I'm not exactly gonna get addicted.

Put it this way: How's Diablo 3 working for you?

I played it for 15 minutes, stopped, got hacked, had to get my account back, and now have a level 69 demon hunter named Mattsucks. Definitely wasted my money, but I definitely have a pretty decent character I didn't work for dedicated to a friend sucking.
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#34 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
[QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I kind of want to get Guild Wars 2, but ...mmojg4xchamp

Not a fan of the genre, as I remember. :P Apparently Guild Wars is an MMO for people who hate MMO.

But I haven't played it myself, so I don't know how true that is. I remember the original being more like a single-player RPG than anything else, though.

I avoided WoW, because of the stigma that it was addicting. Because I can get pretty addicted to a solo game. Nowadays I don't see that as an issue. I enjoy p*ssy, drinking, and money too much to get addicted to a MMO.

WoW was stupid addicting. Still is, actually. But I don't think getting addicted to Guild Wars would be a problem for you.
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#35 Posted by Ly_the_Fairy (8541 posts) -

Bioware is overrated anyways.

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#36 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"]

Not a fan of the genre, as I remember. :P Apparently Guild Wars is an MMO for people who hate MMO.

But I haven't played it myself, so I don't know how true that is. I remember the original being more like a single-player RPG than anything else, though.

DarkLink77
I avoided WoW, because of the stigma that it was addicting. Because I can get pretty addicted to a solo game. Nowadays I don't see that as an issue. I enjoy p*ssy, drinking, and money too much to get addicted to a MMO.

WoW was stupid addicting. Still is, actually. But I don't think getting addicted to Guild Wars would be a problem for you.

I love how it's not hard to believe that I won't enjoy what's suppose to be a good game, but Halo 4? That sh1t I'll definitely buy
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#37 Posted by FrozenLiquid (13549 posts) -

[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] It isn't like this is 2004.Between 2 jobs, a broad, and my drinking habits I'm not exactly gonna get addicted. jg4xchamp
Put it this way: How's Diablo 3 working for you?

I played it for 15 minutes, stopped, got hacked, had to get my account back, and now have a level 69 demon hunter named Mattsucks. Definitely wasted my money, but I definitely have a pretty decent character I didn't work for dedicated to a friend sucking.

:lol: Just knowing you, you're not gonna dig Guild Wars 2's styIe of gameplay. It just does everything MMOs always did.... except better, and without subscriptions. Wait for Planetside 2 to get your MMO fix. It's a lot like Halo, and you like Halo.

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#38 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"][QUOTE="jg4xchamp"] I avoided WoW, because of the stigma that it was addicting. Because I can get pretty addicted to a solo game. Nowadays I don't see that as an issue. I enjoy p*ssy, drinking, and money too much to get addicted to a MMO.

WoW was stupid addicting. Still is, actually. But I don't think getting addicted to Guild Wars would be a problem for you.

I love how it's not hard to believe that I won't enjoy what's suppose to be a good game, but Halo 4? That sh1t I'll definitely buy

I didn't say you wouldn't enjoy it. It's just not designed in the same way WoW is. It's harder to get addicted to it. And you totally will. I probably totally will, too, to be honest. :P
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#39 Posted by FrozenLiquid (13549 posts) -

[QUOTE="jg4xchamp"][QUOTE="DarkLink77"] WoW was stupid addicting. Still is, actually. But I don't think getting addicted to Guild Wars would be a problem for you.DarkLink77
I love how it's not hard to believe that I won't enjoy what's suppose to be a good game, but Halo 4? That sh1t I'll definitely buy

I didn't say you wouldn't enjoy it. It's just not designed in the same way WoW is. It's harder to get addicted to it. And you totally will. I probably totally will, too, to be honest. :P

You guys need to make a bet. Who will cave in and buy Halo 4 first. champ don't be a pvssy.

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#40 Posted by lx_theo (6211 posts) -

omg, the cool kids don't like Bioware, whatever will they do? :lol:

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#41 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
I will take that bet. I WILL TAKE THAT BET
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#42 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -

omg, the cool kids don't like Bioware, whatever will they do? :lol:

lx_theo
Props for not reading the OP.
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#43 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
I will take that bet. I WILL TAKE THAT BETjg4xchamp
You won't win. ;) And we should clarify something: Does getting it as a gift count? Because if I don't buy it, someone will buy it for me as a holiday gift or something, and I don't feel like telling everyone I know not to buy me Halo 4. :P
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#44 Posted by FrozenLiquid (13549 posts) -

I reckon literally just do not play it. If it's gifted, or gamefly'd, or whatever, just don't play it at all.

Edit: Man, there should be even bets on this bet. It's gonna be f*cking epic.

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#45 Posted by lx_theo (6211 posts) -
[QUOTE="lx_theo"]

omg, the cool kids don't like Bioware, whatever will they do? :lol:

DarkLink77
Props for not reading the OP.

You mean the F2P model they are implement which emphasizes keeping the subscription as the premier experience and tries to use the free to play to coerce people to subscribe as its method of drawing in more players? Yeah, they made that clear back when announced F2P. The only real new thing is the 5 deaths one. Its the only real one I personally need to look into before I decide if the F2P model is good for me or not. the game is good, It just didn't hold my interest enough consistently to warrant subscribing to it. Sorry for reading it and laughing at you anyways.
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#46 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
I reckon literally just do not play it. If it's gifted, or gamefly'd, or whatever, just don't play it at all.FrozenLiquid
Bingo, you could trade it in shake. You could return it.
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#47 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
Sorry for reading it and laughing at you anyways.lx_theo
Laugh all you want. I really don't care.
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#48 Posted by jg4xchamp (61465 posts) -
What are the punishments?
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#49 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

They should have followed LotrO's model....store points there can be earned by achievements, and also can be spent on things like removing the money cap, extra bank slots, new raid packs, cosmetic armor sets, flashpoint missions, or entire expansion packs. And to add to that, LotrO still offers a sub model, at a cheaper price, and also regularly does seasonal world wide events and regularly releases massive packs of content and expansions. They'd make out really well copying that, but EA just has no logic anymore

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#50 Posted by DarkLink77 (32731 posts) -
[QUOTE="FrozenLiquid"]I reckon literally just do not play it. If it's gifted, or gamefly'd, or whatever, just don't play it at all.jg4xchamp
Bingo, you could trade it in shake. You could return it.

I'm not Shake. Don't insult me like that again.