Bioware "looking at Free to Play" for TOR (told you so )

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#1 the-obiwan
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http://www.ign.com/articles/2012/06/15/bioware-looking-at-free-to-play-for-the-old-republic

and thats something that SOMEDAY it WILL happen , you like it or not :P HA luls

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#2 lordreaven
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Bu-But.....itz da WoW killa:?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

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#3 EPaul
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DO IT! I need a good F2P mmo to play

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#4 Heil68
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Then I'll actually play it. I don't pay monthly fees to play any game.
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#5 the-obiwan
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Then I'll actually play it. I don't pay monthly fees to play any game. Heil68
your smart my friend c: all the new MMORPG are and must be going to the f2p road in order to "survive"
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Good, I'd like to try ToR.
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Good, I'd like to try ToR.Badosh
me too but i doubt ima like it, either way it would be free so eh , im still waiting for KOTOR 3 single player experience.
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Good, I'd like to try ToR.Badosh
well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was
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#9 finalfantasy94
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[QUOTE="Badosh"]Good, I'd like to try ToR.Animal-Mother
well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

do u get your characters full story by then?

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#10 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Badosh"]Good, I'd like to try ToR.finalfantasy94

well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

do u get your characters full story by then?

Uhh I got to the third planet by lvl 20
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#11 Kinthalis
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I don't know what the big "gotcha" people on the interwebs are tlaking about actually is...

Almost every MMO dev has seen their profit margins skyrocket when going F2P.

If you think selling 2.5 million units of the game, plus having a good 8 months of subscription fees coming in for 1.4 million hasn't ALREADY covered their devleopment and marketing costs, you're crazy.

They are ALREADY making a profit on this game. They have not failed, except in that their numbers aren't what they would have hoped.

Going F2P will increase their player base 3 fold (I know I will go bakc to it at that point - it wasn't a bad game, just wasn't worth $15 a month for me) and if they cna doa good job monitizing it (and relaly they just have to borrow a page form the guys doing ti right like TF2 and LOL), they can easily make a heck of a profitable and popular MMO.

But people on the internet who know jack all about the biz swear up and down that they somehow failed.

You don't have to be 12 million strong as an MMO to make a nice profit. WOW isn't makign a nice profit. It's making the frigging national budget of smallish COUNTRY.

Or in other words, you don't have to be a COD to make a profit.

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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Badosh"]Good, I'd like to try ToR.finalfantasy94

well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

do u get your characters full story by then?

Well of course you don't, the story quests for each class go on through pretty much all the game.
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Badosh"]Good, I'd like to try ToR.finalfantasy94

well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

do u get your characters full story by then?

Almost, the character story runs pretty dry once you hit the third planet, 90+% focus on meaningless questing past that point, and a damn shame too. It's grinding to complete the 1 class quest-line per planet. Should have just been KOTOR3.
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PC - The platform of free 2 playz

It's depressing.

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#15 the-obiwan
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PC - The platform of free 2 playz

It's depressing.

parkurtommo
not entirely
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PC - The platform of free 2 playz

It's depressing.

parkurtommo
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#17 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it wasInconsistancy

do u get your characters full story by then?

Almost, the character story runs pretty dry once you hit the third planet, 90+% focus on meaningless questing past that point, and a damn shame too. It's grinding to complete the 1 class quest-line per planet. Should have just been KOTOR3.

It's funny. TOR is the best single player MMO i've ever played. It's very bizarre.
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[QUOTE="Badosh"]Good, I'd like to try ToR.Animal-Mother
well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

they mentioned that at E3 either way thats the beginning of full F2P.

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#19 Heil68
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[QUOTE="Badosh"]Good, I'd like to try ToR.Animal-Mother
well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

You still have to buy the game?
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#20 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Badosh"]Good, I'd like to try ToR.the-obiwan
well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

they mentioned tat at E3 either way thats the beginning of full F2P.

Ohh absolutely. I really enjoyed the game. Just not enough to pay 15 dollars a month. If it went F2P I wouldn't mind going back in and dropping a few bucks here or there.It's the way to absolute success and an explosion of profit. All those Microtransactions would put the revenue through the roof.
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#21 the-obiwan
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] well starting in july it's going F2P up to lvl 15. Which is a good 10-15 hours. At least for me it was

they mentioned tat at E3 either way thats the beginning of full F2P.

Ohh absolutely. I really enjoyed the game. Just not enough to pay 15 dollars a month. If it went F2P I wouldn't mind going back in and dropping a few bucks here or there.It's the way to absolute success and an explosion of profit. All those Microtransactions would put the revenue through the roof.

of course , just look at DCUniverse its doing wonders.
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#22 Lucianu
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I don't know what the big "gotcha" people on the interwebs are tlaking about actually is...

Almost every MMO dev has seen their profit margins skyrocket when going F2P.

If you think selling 2.5 million units of the game, plus having a good 8 months of subscription fees coming in for 1.4 million hasn't ALREADY covered their devleopment and marketing costs, you're crazy.

They are ALREADY making a profit on this game. They have not failed, except in that their numbers aren't what they would have hoped.

Going F2P will increase their player base 3 fold (I know I will go bakc to it at that point - it wasn't a bad game, just wasn't worth $15 a month for me) and if they cna doa good job monitizing it (and relaly they just have to borrow a page form the guys doing ti right like TF2 and LOL), they can easily make a heck of a profitable and popular MMO.

But people on the internet who know jack all about the biz swear up and down that they somehow failed.

You don't have to be 12 million strong as an MMO to make a nice profit. WOW isn't makign a nice profit. It's making the frigging national budget of smallish COUNTRY.

Or in other words, you don't have to be a COD to make a profit.

Kinthalis

They talking about how it failed to dethrone WoW, a good chunk of people hyped it as that. Man, this makes me reminisce about how Warhammer Online was suppose to dethrone WoW, Age of Conan was supposed to do the same.

I bet you, some delusional fanboys are going to scream how Elder Scrolls Online is going to dethrone it. I don't play mmorpgs, but damn, WoW is a one time wonder. This huge ass cash cow has become embedded in contemporary human culture.

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#23 Inconsistancy
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="finalfantasy94"]

do u get your characters full story by then?

Animal-Mother
Almost, the character story runs pretty dry once you hit the third planet, 90+% focus on meaningless questing past that point, and a damn shame too. It's grinding to complete the 1 class quest-line per planet. Should have just been KOTOR3.

It's funny. TOR is the best single player MMO i've ever played. It's very bizarre.

All MMO's are just single player 'til max level anyway... just really really bad ones, while this one is just about acceptable 'til you hit 20.

I think that BioWare had a pretty good idea though, it's just not executed well at all.

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#24 Animal-Mother
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[QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"] Almost, the character story runs pretty dry once you hit the third planet, 90+% focus on meaningless questing past that point, and a damn shame too. It's grinding to complete the 1 class quest-line per planet. Should have just been KOTOR3.

It's funny. TOR is the best single player MMO i've ever played. It's very bizarre.

All MMO's are just single player 'til max level anyway... just really really bad ones, while this one is just about acceptable 'til you hit 20.

I think that BioWare had a pretty good idea though, it's just not executed well at all.

Agreed. I hope it goes full F2P.
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#25 the-obiwan
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[QUOTE="Animal-Mother"][QUOTE="Inconsistancy"][QUOTE="Animal-Mother"] It's funny. TOR is the best single player MMO i've ever played. It's very bizarre.

All MMO's are just single player 'til max level anyway... just really really bad ones, while this one is just about acceptable 'til you hit 20.

I think that BioWare had a pretty good idea though, it's just not executed well at all.

Agreed. I hope it goes full F2P.

it will go Full F2P its just a matter of time.
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

PC - The platform of free 2 playz

It's depressing.

the-obiwan
not entirely

not entirely but still quite a bit. Personally, I feel a bit weird playing a game that I'm not paying for, I no longer feel obliged to play it, and I uninstall it. :p
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#27 the-obiwan
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[QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

PC - The platform of free 2 playz

It's depressing.

parkurtommo

not entirely

not entirely but still quite a bit. Personally, I feel a bit weird playing a game that I'm not paying for, I no longer feel obliged to play it, and I uninstall it. :p

i guess thats just you then :O cause im fine with that rofl, atleats this kind of games.

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#28 GD1551
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They already made way more $$$ than if they put out KOTOR 3 so whatever.

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#29 the-obiwan
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They already made way more $$$ than if they put out KOTOR 3 so whatever.

GD1551
at what cost though! people does not want TOR they want KOTOR 3 instead duh..
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#30 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

They already made way more $$$ than if they put out KOTOR 3 so whatever.

the-obiwan

at what cost though! people does not want TOR they want KOTOR 3 instead duh..

You don't know that. TOR's biggest downfall as far as I'm aware is the lack of end game content and it's extreme familiarity to WoW. Had they worked on those issues they may have just kept growing.

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#31 Senor_Kami
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Not too surprising.

New subscription MMOs are odd to me. They all seem to think they can get like multi-million subscribers despite the fact that none of them have and nobody builds them for <1M subscribe survivability. Either that or there's an obvious plan of get who ever is willing to buy a lifetime subscription or pay monthly for however many months we can string that along before switching to F2P.

Anyways, I wish they'd put this out on PS3 or Xbox.

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#32 the-obiwan
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[QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="GD1551"]

They already made way more $$$ than if they put out KOTOR 3 so whatever.

GD1551

at what cost though! people does not want TOR they want KOTOR 3 instead duh..

You don't know that. TOR's biggest downfall as far as I'm aware is the lack of end game content and it's extreme familiarity to WoW. Had they worked on those issues they may have just kept growing.

you can make a poll of what people actually wants : Tor or Kotor 3 and see how that turns out.
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#33 zaoy
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I would play TOR if it was F2P. It sounds like a cool game but I wouldn't spend money on it monthly to play.
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#34 GD1551
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you can make a poll of what people actually wants : Tor or Kotor 3 and see how that turns out.the-obiwan

Gaming forums rarely give accurate polls. If I put up COD vs The last of US we all know TLOU is going to win, but in the real world COD is infinitely more wanted.

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#35 the-obiwan
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[QUOTE="the-obiwan"]

you can make a poll of what people actually wants : Tor or Kotor 3 and see how that turns out.GD1551

Gaming forums rarely give accurate polls. If I put up COD vs The last of US we all know TLOU is going to win, but in the real world COD is infinitely more wanted.

this is different though, it cant be compared to those games you just mentioned, trust me do the test
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#36 v13_KiiLtz
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[QUOTE="the-obiwan"]

you can make a poll of what people actually wants : Tor or Kotor 3 and see how that turns out.GD1551

Gaming forums rarely give accurate polls. If I put up COD vs The last of US we all know TLOU is going to win, but in the real world COD is infinitely more wanted.

Define "real world". It depends entirely on target audience. Hint: it's definitely not the original fanbase.
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Then I'll actually play it. I don't pay monthly fees to play any game. Heil68
Yea I'm in the same boat. Too many different games to play to sink another chunk of cash into a single one.
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Its a great game. After your first month you typically get a good play out of the game. So re-subbing the next month people don't go for it. The problem they will have now is getting its player base back. This is why guild wars 2 imo is the next gen MMO. Its a one time buy, a high budget feel. And most importantly its changing the way we play MMO's.
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I played it for about 2 months. It got very old. Not enough content. Hopped into Tera soon after it and loving that far more.

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[QUOTE="the-obiwan"][QUOTE="parkurtommo"]

PC - The platform of free 2 playz

It's depressing.

parkurtommo

not entirely

not entirely but still quite a bit. Personally, I feel a bit weird playing a game that I'm not paying for, I no longer feel obliged to play it, and I uninstall it. :p

Then buy something from an ingame store. Problem solved.

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#41 the-obiwan
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[QUOTE="parkurtommo"][QUOTE="the-obiwan"] not entirelyIcarian

not entirely but still quite a bit. Personally, I feel a bit weird playing a game that I'm not paying for, I no longer feel obliged to play it, and I uninstall it. :p

Then buy something from an ingame store. Problem solved.

lol that sounds legit
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Good. Now make KOTOR 3.
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I got the game + pre paid card that gave me in total 90 days to play. After that its just getting dust on my HDD, guess I'm of those 400K that quit (mine was up before april). Story is spread too tin and it can be senseless [spoiler] On the smuggler at the end of act 1 you're spouse to be very rich thanks to a treasure you got, which is a bit odd specially if you don't have two credits to rub together, instead of making a reasonable explanation on why the character wouldn't keep so much money they simply didn't bother and left it at that. [/spoiler] Art direction isn't all that good IMO, nor the movies nor KOTOR at least come to mind. Huge computers (about 2 SUVs) to control some AC? Taxis going around in circles just to make the planet look larger? Cowboys and Samurai hats? Then there's the ship which is spouse to be personal and like a home but it just isn't, you can't change anything about it and despite of each class having their own, you know every one else on your class has one just like it. One time on a quest I had to go in my ship to talk to someone there, but as soon as you step in the ship takes off to orbit, cut scene AND load screen just to show a 2D background out of the window. Went in and talked and because I had to stay on that planet, where I go again to land the ship, cut scene and load screen again. Another thing that annoys me is that they didn't wanna impose any rules on RP servers apparently, let people do what they want kinda thing and thats great. If it wasn't for the fact 90% of the people on the server i picked didn't even know what RP was, so my hopes of balancing the poor class story with some made up one in the middle went out the window. Not saying they should impose rules, but some guide lines would be most welcome when on RP servers people just know how to lvl and pvp. So, F2P sounds good, it really does, but more than that give me an experience, because Han Solo never worn pajamas and a robe while he was kicking ass and eyeing the girls.
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all the hype for this game

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The problem i had with the game was it seemed like a singleplayer game, to much instancing and to much of some planets was ignored and never used.
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#46 GD1551
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[QUOTE="GD1551"]

[QUOTE="the-obiwan"]

you can make a poll of what people actually wants : Tor or Kotor 3 and see how that turns out.the-obiwan

Gaming forums rarely give accurate polls. If I put up COD vs The last of US we all know TLOU is going to win, but in the real world COD is infinitely more wanted.

this is different though, it cant be compared to those games you just mentioned, trust me do the test

I'm just saying ,many people here, infact the majority from what I've seen have a negative stance on MMOs.

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#48 the-obiwan
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Bioware is really starting to become the joke of the gaming industry.

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yeah just like Mass Effect 3 :P
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#49 Valknut4
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DO IT! I need a good F2P mmo to play

EPaul

This isn't the game you're looking for. *waves hand*

Not joking, its not good at all >.>