Bioware debunks the ME3 indoctrine theory *SPOILERS*

http://kotaku.com/5922726/bioware-confirms-what-you-want-to-know-about-the-red-ending-of-mass-effect-3

We know, the f***ing game came out in March.

This isn't some new development.

We know, the f***ing game came out in March.

This isn't some new development.

SPYDER0416

Why the f uck would you post such a spoiler title to what happened in the real game ending?Blabadon

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Why the f uck would you post such a spoiler title to what happened in the real game ending?MercenaryMafia

[QUOTE="mrmusicman247"]indoctrinate theory was a just that: a theory anyone who really though bioware was thinking that was only kidding themselves. WeepsForFools

The biggest problem with Indoctrination Theory is that it means Mass Effect 3 doesn't have an ending. Not to mention it has more plot holes than the real endings (and that's saying something)

The Indoctrination Theory was better than any of the official Bioware endings, so color me disappointed that they are ruling it out entirely.charizard1605

Indoctrination theory was worse than the rave color endings, it put more plot holes into an ending that already had plot holes. It was like ordering a cheeseburger and asking can I get that with extra grease,deepfried and just cover it in mayo.

Idoc theory fans are really just trying to comfort themselves. If it was real it would be an even bigger slap in the face to the community than the half-assed end we got and then got patched up.

I officially no longer care about Mass Effect 3's ending.

even though i loved the IT, it was obvious bioware was not going that route, anyone still expecting that was fooling themselves. Still i find it a better ending than the real ones.

The Indoctrination Theory was better than any of the official Bioware endings, so color me disappointed that they are ruling it out entirely.charizard1605

Same here. And even Kevin van ord wrote that Bioware wouldn't have been clever enough to come up with the Indoctrination theory. If I were them I would have rolled with it because it was a badass theory

[QUOTE="charizard1605"]The Indoctrination Theory was better than any of the official Bioware endings, so color me disappointed that they are ruling it out entirely.seanmcloughlin

Same here. And even Kevin van ord wrote that Bioware wouldn't have been clever enough to come up with the Indoctrination theory. If I were them I would have rolled with it because it was a badass theory

If they went with the indoc theory for the DLC I would have been pissed because of a few things:

- that means they f*cked up the ending more than they did right now by making it so people had to analyze it in 20min youtube videos in order to find it

- it would make me think they just decided to take the cheesy route (again...) by copying what the fans made up

- it had plenty of plot holes like the regular end

- if that's what they had planned all along, then not explaining anything was an even bigger mistake and it also means the game literally did not end at all. In the original end the series ended, but we didnt know the aftermath. Indoc means no end period...shepard "wakes up" and then what?

*no idea what the indoctrination theory is* :DBrunoBRS

you aren't missing out, it's stupid fan dribble

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]*no idea what the indoctrination theory is* :Dwis3boi

you aren't missing out, it's stupid fan dribble

There was no debunking done, I must admit I'm a bit disappointed that Bioware didn't follow the indoctrination theory (it was genius), but either way I'm happy with what they've accomplished and I commend them for pulling off such a great trilogy. They really haven't gotten due credit.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]*no idea what the indoctrination theory is* :DBrunoBRS

you aren't missing out, it's stupid fan dribble

basically the idea is that everything after shepard gets hit by harbinger's beam is a dream sequence induced by the reapers. When shepard wakes up at the end of the Destroy ending, that's him/her "waking up"

Mass Effect is dead to me.

Bioware couldn't come up with "Indoctrination Theory" on their best day. It was just fans grabbing at anything they could that wasn't the ending they got. chilly-chill

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

you aren't missing out, it's stupid fan dribble

wis3boi

basically the idea is that everything after shepard gets hit by harbinger's beam is a dream sequence induced by the reapers. When shepard wakes up at the end of the Destroy ending, that's him/her "waking up"

which means that the ACTUAL ending would have yet to happen. WTF. why would someone want that to be the ending >.>BrunoBRS

A lot of people feel that no ending at all is better than the original 3 endings we got.

I personally think the Indoctrination Theory is probably the stupidest theory ever. Some closure is better than no closure.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"]*no idea what the indoctrination theory is* :DBrunoBRS

you aren't missing out, it's stupid fan dribble

It will just give you a headache hearing it from TGR and dreman.

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] but i love to read this kind of stupid stuff and laugh at it :DBrunoBRS

basically the idea is that everything after shepard gets hit by harbinger's beam is a dream sequence induced by the reapers. When shepard wakes up at the end of the Destroy ending, that's him/her "waking up"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="wis3boi"]

basically the idea is that everything after shepard gets hit by harbinger's beam is a dream sequence induced by the reapers. When shepard wakes up at the end of the Destroy ending, that's him/her "waking up"

Krelian-co

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] which means that the ACTUAL ending would have yet to happen. WTF. why would someone want that to be the ending >.>BrunoBRS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

ofc it is, but story wise is much better than the current endings

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] which means that the ACTUAL ending would have yet to happen. WTF. why would someone want that to be the ending >.>BrunoBRS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

my ideal ending is better --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=YONO917JK38

[QUOTE="Blabadon"]Why the f uck would you post such a spoiler title to what happened in the real game ending?MercenaryMafia

The Indoctrination Theory was better than any of the official Bioware endings, so color me disappointed that they are ruling it out entirely.charizard1605

It was completely incoherent and inconclusive.

It would still have sucked.

[QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] which means that the ACTUAL ending would have yet to happen. WTF. why would someone want that to be the ending >.>BrunoBRS

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

Not the final hours but the final say 30 minutes or so. But wehn you piece everything together it seems pretty cool because of the little boy at the start and how no one but shepard reacts to him so he is the indoctrination in action. and how you hear little reaper growls when he disappears etc. it's all very subtle and very clever, until you realise they never meant it and they actually just fvcked things up and have loads of incosistent errors

it would have been a cool ending but probably would have opened a can of worms too. But it still would have been cool to get that sort of twist/lost type ending

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"][QUOTE="Krelian-co"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ythY_GkEBck

seanmcloughlin

Not the final hours but the final say 30 minutes or so. But wehn you piece everything together it seems pretty cool because of the little boy at the start and how no one but shepard reacts to him so he is the indoctrination in action. and how you hear little reaper growls when he disappears etc. it's all very subtle and very clever, until you realise they never meant it and they actually just fvcked things up and have loads of incosistent errors

it would have been a cool ending but probably would have opened a can of worms too. But it still would have been cool to get that sort of twist/lost type ending

[QUOTE="seanmcloughlin"]

[QUOTE="BrunoBRS"] i'm not well versed in ME lore because, quite honestly, i think ME is just plain boring. but if i got this right, their suggestion is that not only the ending, but the entire final hours, are just an acid trip/mind control dream? which consequently means the game wouldn't have ended yet. which is stupid. even for ME standards. just forgetting to finish the final chapter of the book is just way too stupid.BrunoBRS

Not the final hours but the final say 30 minutes or so. But wehn you piece everything together it seems pretty cool because of the little boy at the start and how no one but shepard reacts to him so he is the indoctrination in action. and how you hear little reaper growls when he disappears etc. it's all very subtle and very clever, until you realise they never meant it and they actually just fvcked things up and have loads of incosistent errors

it would have been a cool ending but probably would have opened a can of worms too. But it still would have been cool to get that sort of twist/lost type ending

But that was the beauty of it. You went along with what was happening and made choices based on that so you were getting indoctrinated along with shepard. If they took control away to show that he was brainwashed it disconnects you from the character and makes you separate entities when they are striving for immersion and keeping you feeling like you're shepard, hence the option to change their appearance and first name.

But then again it meant either they stole the players/fans idea to try make up for the ending (Which I'm ok with) or they made a terrible ending first time just to do the Indoc theory which is stupid too. Also it eliminates multiple endings

Thank God they didn't change Marauder Shileds though. Single most important character in the ME trilogy