Best and worst villain in a game?

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#1  Edited By uninspiredcup
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Good -

> Forgoes larger than life expected design, mundane aged gentlemen

> Believes he's right and helping people

> Attempts to use reason with logical thinking

> Would rather people worked with than against him

> Forced into role, technically saved everyone

> Still an underling himself

> Uses linguistics/media as a weapons

Bad -

> Evil for the sake of being bad

> Wasn't until Batman Origins (the one everyone hates) he had any sort of depth

> Always takes the lead villain role in every game to appease Batman fanboys, even though he's actually boring. Bane/Black-Mask/Hugo Strange screwed over.

> Terrible hulk end-boss in first game, repeated boss from previous seasons

> Nothing new, or interesting is added to the character compared to other interpretations.

Feel free to add your own.

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#2 Ghosts4ever
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Dr breen is a cool villain and probably the best villain imo. others include Shodan, Bob page and walton simons of original Deus Ex.

worst is bowser of mario. doing same thing since 80s, Joseph seed of far cry 5 who seem like a nice guy and is one dimensional.

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Undead Arthas in Warcraft III was pretty cool (no pun intended). I didn't like what he did, but at the same time, I did :) And he took shit from no one, even if the odds were clearly not in his favour.

Worst: Alduin, Wesker.

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#4 deactivated-5ebea105efb64
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Bad Lazaravich.

Good dunno. Don't remember any.

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Saren - Mass Effect 1. The bad cop role played out perfectly... Ugh, I'm realizing how far mass effect has fallen and it hurts.

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Good: Gaunter O'Dimm from The Witcher 3. Charming and friendly yet menacing and incredibly powerful at the same time. Had a presence throughout the entire DLC.

Bad: Eredin from The The Witcher 3. Generic design. Boring personality. Had like 5 speaking lines and didn't even feel like the main antagonist.

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#8  Edited By pelvist
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Vaas from FC3 was good, Sephiroth is one of my favorites too. Ill go with that stupid dragon from Skyrim as a bad one.

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Good - Ryuji Goda, he's a badass.

Bad - Masato Aizawa, he's a dumbass.

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The one who left the biggest impact on me as a kid was Luca Blight from Suikoden 2.

He is like an improved Kefka Palazzo, also an awesome villain.

I don't think gaming has many really good villains though. Far Cry had some interessting ones.

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#11 VFighter
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@uninspiredcup: Him hulling out at the end was weak yes, but otherwise I can't agree with any of your other arguments as I really liked him in the Batman games.

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#12  Edited By Sam3231
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Worst: Master Hand from Smash Bros

Best: Revolver Ocelot from Metal Gear Solid

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Good - Vaas, Far Cry 3. Still the series best villain

Bad - Albert Wesker, RE Series. Does he even have a motivation that doesn't involve total chaos?

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#14  Edited By ReCloud
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@BenjaminBanklin: Wesker is the guy that has the lust for power. Then again, RE was all about the cheesiness and charisma of its characters.

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#15 ReCloud
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I don't really think games outside the JRPG space have really interesting or charismatic villains, sadly, so my list would be basically final fantasy villains.

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#16 Vaasman
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Best villain: Kerrigan from Starcraft 1.

Worst villain: Kerrigan from Starcraft 2.

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@TheEroica said:

Saren - Mass Effect 1. The bad cop role played out perfectly... Ugh, I'm realizing how far mass effect has fallen and it hurts.

This.

And Rafe from Uncharted 4. He is a classic Indiana Jones villain.

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@Juub1990: +1 for Gaunter O'Dimm

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#19  Edited By deactivated-5c56012aaa167
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That Derek Simons guy in RE 6 was pretty lame. Especially where he turns into a horse.

@BenjaminBanklin said:

Bad - Albert Wesker, RE Series. Does he even have a motivation that doesn't involve total chaos?

I think in RE 1 and RE code Veronica his motivation was working for a rival company.

LOL. And no he actually wanted : "COMPLETE. GLOBAL. SATURATION."

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#20 nepu7supastar7
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@uninspiredcup:

I don't think I've ever seen a "best" villain. But I've definitely seen some bad ones!

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Didn't care for that one boss car in Ridge Racer (the black/devil one).

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#22 lundy86_4
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Best: Kefka

Worst: **** knows. Lots.

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#23 Basinboy
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Best: Morgan Freeman

Worst: Kevin Spacey

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@TheEroica said:

Saren - Mass Effect 1. The bad cop role played out perfectly... Ugh, I'm realizing how far mass effect has fallen and it hurts.

Agree with that, would also put Sovereign in there purely based off the most intense interaction in mass effect

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how good was the original Mass Effect, was near perfect.

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#25  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@lundy86_4:

Kefka was alot like the Joker, wasn't he? He gave me that same vibe. Except Kefka had an extremely important position in politics which would be pretty fucking scary if Joker had that too.

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#26  Edited By lundy86_4
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@nepu7supastar7: I'm not up on comics at all, but I did watch The Killing Joke recently, and that's the one that gave Joker some actual depth beyond the movie/tv show caricature that is usually used in TV/Move/VG. Typically he's insane for the sake of being insane.

With Kefka, it's probably to do with the fact that he actually pulls off the impossible. He actually becomes the guy that you would shit your pants over. He literally ends the world partway through the game.

It's true their levels of insanity are on an even playing field.

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#27 nepu7supastar7
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@lundy86_4:

Did you like Kefka's voice in Dissidia?

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#28  Edited By lundy86_4
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@nepu7supastar7 said:

@lundy86_4:

Did you like Kefka's voice in Dissidia?

Never played Dissidia. I'm not too much into fighting games, even with FF characters (sadly.)

Edit: Just googled it... Jesus Christ, that was bad. They literally just made him Joker.

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@Basinboy said:

Best: Morgan Freeman

Worst: Kevin Spacey

Did you list Kevin Spacey due to the sexual misconduct allegations against him?

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#30  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@lundy86_4:

Yeah, that's kinda why I said he was like Joker. Well, it was Square Enix's choice, anyway. I guess that's how they imagined him? You should hear Terra, she had a high pitch chirp. I think they got her right though.

Dissidia was a great game though! Especially Duodecim! It was a fighting game at its core but there were plenty of rpg elements in it too. Like a big map to explore and get into random fights so you can level up the characters. They even kept the equipment and item system too! All of which are now gone in the Dissidia for ps4. Bummer...

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@onesiphorus: Partly. But more because he gets killed by (the actual) Troy Baker.

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Best: Shodan. I still get chills remembering the way she says, "God. The title suits me well". Also like Andrew Ryan and Sophia Lamb from the Bioshocks.

Worst: There are sooooo many. Dr. Bad Boon from Super Monkey Ball 2. I know it's meant to be goofy, but he was just annoying. On the other end of the spectrum, Calypso from the 2012 Twisted Metal tries way too hard to be dark and comes off exceptionally lame.

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#33  Edited By ToonLonk
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@lundy86_4 said:

Best: Kefka

Worst: **** knows. Lots.

SON OF A SUBMARINER!

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@TheEroica said:

Saren - Mass Effect 1. The bad cop role played out perfectly... Ugh, I'm realizing how far mass effect has fallen and it hurts.

Yeah, he was pretty awesome.

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@thehig1: the voice acting is awesome in that scene....."This exchange is over!!" lol great lines

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Good- Richter Abend from Tales of Symphonia 2. He is my favourite antagonist in gaming so far.

Bad- I really don't know honestly.

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@ArchoNils2 said:

The one who left the biggest impact on me as a kid was Luca Blight from Suikoden 2.

He is like an improved Kefka Palazzo, also an awesome villain.

I don't think gaming has many really good villains though. Far Cry had some interessting ones.

Luca Blight is truly an awful figure. Good to have as a villain. Him and Yuber.

Suikoden series has good villains. Honorable mention for the series greatest villain(s) goes to Barbarossa and Windy in Suikoden 1.

They still haven't given that series a proper close.

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#38 ArchoNils2
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@X_CAPCOM_X said:
@ArchoNils2 said:

The one who left the biggest impact on me as a kid was Luca Blight from Suikoden 2.

He is like an improved Kefka Palazzo, also an awesome villain.

I don't think gaming has many really good villains though. Far Cry had some interessting ones.

Luca Blight is truly an awful figure. Good to have as a villain. Him and Yuber.

Suikoden series has good villains. Honorable mention for the series greatest villain(s) goes to Barbarossa and Windy in Suikoden 1.

They still haven't given that series a proper close.

I agree with you totally. I also love how different the villains are. Luca Blight is a totally different "enemy" from Joey for example.

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Best: Miles Edgeworth from the Ace Attorney games

Worst: Lysandre from Pokemon X and Y

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@Basinboy said:

Worst: Kevin Spacey

Because of Call of Duty or because he fondled some kids?

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Worst is Bowser. Kidnaps the Princess over and over for apparently no motive and loses him to a fat out of shape plumber.

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@freedomfreak: Not to downplay the latter, but he does like a bitch in AW, to real-life Troy Baker nonetheless. Cmon man.

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Far cry 4 Pagan Min was trash compared to 3.

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@DocSanchez said:

Worst is Bowser. Kidnaps the Princess over and over for apparently no motive and loses him to a fat out of shape plumber.

Mario, who can perform many types of jumps, out of shape?

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#45  Edited By Monkey_Seeker
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Worst for me would be Kai Leng from Mass Effect 3. Mostly because of his infuriating plot armor despite the fact that he would have been easily dispatched had Shepard and his/her crew not always been holding the idiot ball whenever he was around.

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@Juub1990: +1 for Gaunter O'Dimm

I came here with this guy in mind as well

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Best: GLaDOS, it is funny and memorable Villain

Bad: flynn from uncharted 2, he is very generic and predictable