Beat Sabre higher skill based than Dark Souls?

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Poll Beat Sabre higher skill based than Dark Souls? (28 votes)

true 64%
false 36%

Would it be accurate to say that hitting a stream of hundreds of theatrical apples with duds, hit perfectly every-time with a digital sword is a far more impressive feat than some bozo beating a Darksouls type boss without armor or whatever?

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#1 PCLover1980
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Different games.

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I am not sure why it matters.

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#4 Mesome713
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Yes.

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#5 nod_calypse
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Not hard at all if you're a musician.

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#6  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@pclover1980 said:

Different games.

@Pedro said:

I am not sure why it matters.

Side note -

Any attempts to downplay or disregard the question will automatically count as a begrudging "yes".

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Rhythm games is all about the moves and grooves.

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#8 Mesome713
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Dark Souls is just get behind their butt and press attack as fast as possible. This game actually takes skills to play.

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@uninspiredcup said:

Side note -

Any attempts to downplay or disregard the question will automatically count as a begrudging "yes".

But why? It's harder to gauge this cos they're really different in the skillsets used. One requires more motor function and reaction time, the other requires more strategy and brain matter.

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#10  Edited By uninspiredcup
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@pclover1980 said:

One requires more motor function and reaction time, the other requires more strategy and brain matter.

Darksouls is repetitively learning patterns (with stat boosts to alleviate difficulty)

This is repetitively learning patterns.

One is more difficult.

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#11 PCLover1980
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@uninspiredcup: One is using more motor skills, while the other uses your thumbs.

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@pclover1980 said:

@uninspiredcup: One is using more motor skills, while the other uses your thumbs.

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#14 PCLover1980
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You probably missed the "more" on my post.

So if that's the case, Rocksmith is the hardest game out there.

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Oh remember her, use to work for Gamespot.
Guess she's shilling for Ubisoft now.

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Nah, Rocksmith is actually really good.

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#17 TheHighWind
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I don't know because ive never played beat sabre. Read title As "Is light sabre skill better than the Dark side"

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Beat Saber, pseudo skill. But her calmness is cool.

Actual skill. Calmness, next level.

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Thumper is more my speed, more emphasis on the rhythm horror and not drowning in pop vomit, but also has updated VR support like with PSVR2.

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@nod_calypse: That's certainly a cardio workout.

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@pclover1980 said:

@nod_calypse: That's certainly a cardio workout.

Yeah, Luana's got a hummingbird heart.

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@uninspiredcup said:
@pclover1980 said:

Different games.

@Pedro said:

I am not sure why it matters.

Side note -

Any attempts to downplay or disregard the question will automatically count as a begrudging "yes".

I answered Yes to the poll when I first responded but my comment still stands.

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Dark Souls at a high level never really impressed me at all.

A game like Beat Saber at a high level takes conditioning, speed, memorization and reactions. Dark Souls pretty much just requires you to memorize boss patterns and behaviours, maybe a bit of strategy in beating individual bosses.

Which is why Dark Souls skills barelyl translate to anywhere else, including other Souls games, while Beat Saber skills translates well to a lot of areas.

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#25 uninspiredcup
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Seems pretty much everyone agrees barring 40%.

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Bought it last week, but haven’t played yet because I’m too focused on Tears of the Kingdom at the moment lol

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One game is made for asian woman between the age of 17 and 30 (that's all you see on youtube🤡). The other game is made for manly men, most of which are professional gamers that excel in gaming like nobody else.

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You could say the same about Guitar Hero

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People need to stop using Dark Souls (From Software) games as some sort of benchmark for difficulty.

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@Mozelleple112: Especially after Elden Ring, they dumbed down the game a lot.

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#31  Edited By Maroxad
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@Mozelleple112 said:

People need to stop using Dark Souls (From Software) games as some sort of benchmark for difficulty.

Agreed, Souls games are really easy. Especially with the common boss rhythm. Which makes for predictable encounters.

@uninspiredcup said:

Seems pretty much everyone agrees barring 40%.

Well yeah. Souls games were never hard, and they lack in depth too. Relying mostly on execution. But good execution in a souls games takes nowhere near the level of reflexes Beat Saber does, or any other half decent rhythm game.

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You can cheese dark souls.

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You can cheese dark souls.

But if you do, you're considered as a pousey bitch, and you don't that in your life.

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#34  Edited By Jag85
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Not really. Beat Saber is a fun and challenging game, but it's not Dark Souls hard.

Normal difficulty is quite easy. Hard is a bit more difficult, but I mastered it within a day or so. It's only when you go Expert that it comes anywhere close to Dark Souls hard.

In comparison, there is no difficulty setting in Dark Souls. It's pretty much Expert mode by default. There are no Easy or Normal options.

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@Jag85 said:

Not really. Beat Saber is a fun and challenging game, but it's not Dark Souls hard.

Normal difficulty is quite easy. Hard is a bit more difficult, but I mastered it within a day or so. It's only when you go Expert that it comes anywhere close to Dark Souls hard.

In comparison, there is no difficulty setting in Dark Souls. It's pretty much Expert mode by default. There are no Easy or Normal options.

Is Dark Souls a Japanese game?

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#36  Edited By Jag85
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@uninspiredcup said:

Is Dark Souls a Japanese game?

Uh, yeah... I'm guessing your point is Japanese devs like to make their games harder?

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#37 Jag85
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I wonder how many people here actually played Beat Saber though? I'm guessing many people here are just voting Beat Saber without playing it, just to rebel against the "Dark Souls hard" meme.

Beat Saber is really not that hard like the video makes it look. She's playing on Expert+ mode, which is the highest difficulty. If you play it at Normal or even Hard, it's pretty straightforward and doesn't take too long to master... Or maybe that's just me.

Beat Saber is great fun, and I personally enjoyed it more than Dark Souls (heresy!)... But I wouldn't say it's as hard as Dark Souls.

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@Jag85 said:

I wonder how many people here actually played Beat Saber though? I'm guessing many people here are just voting Beat Saber without playing it, just to rebel against the "Dark Souls hard" meme.

Beat Saber is really not that hard like the video makes it look. She's playing on Expert+ mode, which is the highest difficulty. If you play it at Normal or even Hard, it's pretty straightforward and doesn't take too long to master... Or maybe that's just me.

Beat Saber is great fun, and I personally enjoyed it more than Dark Souls (heresy!)... But I wouldn't say it's as hard as Dark Souls.

Nah, fam, osu! is harder than both.

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@Jag85 said:
@uninspiredcup said:

Is Dark Souls a Japanese game?

Uh, yeah... I'm guessing your point is Japanese devs like to make their games harder?

Of course. That was my point.

They truly are the best.

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I beat all souls games multiple times. I can not beat campaign on Beat Saber lol

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Gittin gud at dance dance games, osu and beat saber sounds like the biggest waste of your life lmao.

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Rhythm games on the hardest setting are really brutally hard. Souls games are just regular videogames with a well balaned difficulty level.

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It's like comparing a master soccer dribble to a world record rubiks cube champion.... My answer is farfarnoogen.

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#44  Edited By Maroxad
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@hardwenzen said:

Gittin gud at dance dance games, osu and beat saber sounds like the biggest waste of your life lmao.

Playing dance and rhythm games can help keep you fit while having fun. The skills trained playing beat saber actually translates to other games, hobbies and professional skills. Exact same thing I brought up with Ring Fit Adventure. There is a correlation and causation between fitness and IQ.

Getting good at a Souls games only gets you good at that souls game. They don't even transfer that well into other games in the series.

So while you are memorizing boss patterns in Dark Souls, something that wont translate into any other game. I am playing Beat Saber and Ring fit, extending my life expectancy, improving my physical performance, psychological well being and raising my IQ.

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@Maroxad said:
@hardwenzen said:

Gittin gud at dance dance games, osu and beat saber sounds like the biggest waste of your life lmao.

Playing dance and rhythm games can help keep you fit while having fun. The skills trained playing beat saber actually translates to other games, hobbies and professional skills. Exact same thing I brought up with Ring Fit Adventure. There is a correlation and causation between fitness and IQ.

Getting good at a Souls games only gets you good at that souls game. They don't even transfer that well into other games in the series.

So while you are memorizing boss patterns in Dark Souls, something that wont translate into any other game. I am playing Beat Saber and Ring fit, extending my life expectancy, improving my physical performance, psychological well being and raising my IQ.

Trying to get fit while playing video games is being lazy. Stop being lazy.

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@hardwenzen said:
@Maroxad said:
@hardwenzen said:

Gittin gud at dance dance games, osu and beat saber sounds like the biggest waste of your life lmao.

Playing dance and rhythm games can help keep you fit while having fun. The skills trained playing beat saber actually translates to other games, hobbies and professional skills. Exact same thing I brought up with Ring Fit Adventure. There is a correlation and causation between fitness and IQ.

Getting good at a Souls games only gets you good at that souls game. They don't even transfer that well into other games in the series.

So while you are memorizing boss patterns in Dark Souls, something that wont translate into any other game. I am playing Beat Saber and Ring fit, extending my life expectancy, improving my physical performance, psychological well being and raising my IQ.

Trying to get fit while playing video games is being lazy. Stop being lazy.

They did stop being lazy though. Exercise is exercise, be it through a video game, sports or in a gym.

The average BMI for gamers is 28, That means your average gamer is overweight and closer to being clinically obese (30 BMI), than they are in a healthy weight (18.5-25 BMI). Getting people fit, healthy and more productive as a consequence is something that should always be praised.

And while I am at it, the average BMI in Canada is at 27. The healthier everyone is in your country, the lower the healthcare expenditure is, and your taxes alongside it. Imagine being so tribalistic you oppose a game that indirectly does you and society a lot of good.

Needless to say, people who exercise, including playing games like Beat Sabre were significantly more skilled at video games that people who only play sedentary games like Dark Souls. And playing a game which makes you better at everything you do, including EVERY single video game. Is a much better time investment than a single game whose skills don't translate anywhere else. Fromsoft games are a waste of time. Demons, Dark Souls 1, 3 and Bloodborne were fun though. But they were a waste of my time.

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@Maroxad said:
@hardwenzen said:
@Maroxad said:
@hardwenzen said:

Gittin gud at dance dance games, osu and beat saber sounds like the biggest waste of your life lmao.

Playing dance and rhythm games can help keep you fit while having fun. The skills trained playing beat saber actually translates to other games, hobbies and professional skills. Exact same thing I brought up with Ring Fit Adventure. There is a correlation and causation between fitness and IQ.

Getting good at a Souls games only gets you good at that souls game. They don't even transfer that well into other games in the series.

So while you are memorizing boss patterns in Dark Souls, something that wont translate into any other game. I am playing Beat Saber and Ring fit, extending my life expectancy, improving my physical performance, psychological well being and raising my IQ.

Trying to get fit while playing video games is being lazy. Stop being lazy.

They did stop being lazy though. Exercise is exercise, be it through a video game, sports or in a gym.

The average BMI for gamers is 28, That means your average gamer is overweight and closer to being clinically obese (30 BMI), than they are in a healthy weight (18.5-25 BMI). Getting people fit, healthy and more productive as a consequence is something that should always be praised.

And while I am at it, the average BMI in Canada is at 27. The healthier everyone is in your country, the lower the healthcare expenditure is, and your taxes alongside it. Imagine being so tribalistic you oppose a game that indirectly does you and society a lot of good.

Needless to say, people who exercise, including playing games like Beat Sabre were significantly more skilled at video games that people who only play sedentary games like Dark Souls. And playing a game which makes you better at everything you do, including EVERY single video game. Is a much better time investment than a single game whose skills don't translate anywhere else. Fromsoft games are a waste of time. Demons, Dark Souls 1, 3 and Bloodborne were fun though. But they were a waste of my time.

You want to get in shape, do so. Playing games while telling yourself that you'll get results worth mentioning is delusional. Stop being delusional. Buy yourself a pair of running shoes, and go run instead of playing video games.

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#48  Edited By Maroxad
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@hardwenzen said:

You want to get in shape, do so. Playing games while telling yourself that you'll get results worth mentioning is delusional. Stop being delusional. Buy yourself a pair of running shoes, and go run instead of playing video games.

There are 2 serious problems with your assertion.

  1. People are having fun while playing Beat Sabre and Ring Fit Adventure, there is a reason Beat Sabre has a 95% approval on steam. Which puts it in overwhelmingly positive. Higher than Souls game, if I may add ;) Dark Souls 3 has the highest of 94%.
  2. Where exactly do you suggest people run? Have you ever been outside lately? Running outside on the city streets is not exactly safe, with these abominations being a thing,

Since going outside and running or doing other physical activities is no longer feasible, I am glad we have video games like Beat Sabre which can get people the exercise they need.

And fitness professionals have been recommending these games, especially for fitness beginners.

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@Maroxad: You know what's fun? Seeing results when you're trying to get in shape. Stop playing if you want to lose weight.

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#50  Edited By Maroxad
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@Maroxad: You know what's fun? Seeing results when you're trying to get in shape. Stop playing if you want to lose weight.

These games DO provide people with positive results! Which is why fitness professionals have been recommending them. That is why I recommend these type of games over games that give you nothing of value, like Dark Souls.

Just because Dark Souls gives you nothing of value doesnt change the fact that there are games that do. Games like Chess can train your cognitive abilities, Beat Sabre and Ring FIt improves your fitness.

Dark Souls, and pretty much every other ARPG are the McDonalds of gaming genres. They provide you nothing of value, lack substance, but they are still everywhere and really popular.

And I can assure you, moving up a difficulty setting in Ring Fit, because you are now more athletic, or clearing a difficult track in Beat Sabre, felt far more satisfying than beating any boss in any FromSoft game.