Battlefield something or another - woman empowerment

I will only start caring when there is a Battlefield Lovely Planet.

Looks like DICE tryimg so hard to show us they can make sp game when its not. Its DICE so expect another bad sp campaign.

Further more this ia worst potrayal of WW2 game i have ever seen. Even worse tham CODWW2.

Let me check the like bar on the video. *sigh* Yup, just what I thought. Never change, internet.

Yup. Nobody bats an eye when some random regular infantry can hop in a tank, drive to an airfield and fly a plane without so much a cursory training for either vehicles, then gun down people with experimental weapons that didn't even make it off the drawing board in real life, while building complex fortifications in mere seconds just by holding down one button. But a woman shows up? Oh noes, the sky is falling.

Games, and pretty much all fictional media for that matter, exist to entertain, which means they all take liberties for the sake of entertainment. Battlefield and Call of Duty are no exceptions. They've always done it and always will, and any claim to, quote, "authenticity" is just marketing. You want historical accuracy? Read a f***ing history book.

I'm not even interested in the game one bit, but seeing these talking apes fling their shit around just irritated me a little.

It's great to see this game get furiously downvoted. Clearly gamers have seen it for what it is, and are not standing for it.

Im pretty sure thats the first time I seen someone get blown back in a FPS and the legs come up.

yea, I can already tell the amount of ladies and customization is going to be annoying for me, as someone who likes to be immersed in games and has some knowledge of history.

I threw up a bit in my mouth when I saw that British chick with a prosthetic arm running around killing people. especially since they made a point of talking about how "realistic" battlefield is in the pre-amble to the trailer reveal. at this point I wish they would go for a alt-history setting instead of this quasi-historical bullshit.

I thought the trailer was bad and having a female soldier on the cover of a WW 2 game definitely rubs me the wrong way. HOWEVER, all the actual details I've heard about the game sound promising. Getting rid of Premium is a great move, though i'm still waiting for the other shoe to drop on how they will make their 'live service' money. loot boxes with cosmetic items is my guess.

Disability probably is more realistic, as a lot of folk did lose parts of their body and continue on through multiple wars, in some cases.

I think it's probably nice as well, most people with disabilities, or scaring are typically portrayed as evil, or weak in most media, especially older media, which, sucks for them.

Unfortunately it's most likely being used here as "this will look cool". Much like how for some, bizarre reason, she looks like a Scottish Pict, it's eye-catching.

Your Tomb Raider argument doesn't hold up. Liking women =/= respecting women. Trump is married to a woman, but he still treats them like garbage.

There is no issue with Dice having the featured trailer character be a woman. It actually makes sense to highlight that, since it's been sorely lacking in previous games.

BWAHAHAHAHA! Oh, you think women soldiers in ww2 are a joke. Oh yes, please tell us more about how much you "know" about "history."

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Lyudmila+Mikhailovna+Pavlichenko

Who really cares. Its a video game, not a history lesson. The publisher has one thing in mind - appealing to as many gamers as possible, not alienating any consumers. This is achieved with the "**** it - women in WWII!" thing that's happening. If it were set it modern times, there'd be absolutely nothing you could complain about being that in real life women are now recently allowed in Infantry and Artillery, and a few have been graduating from Ranger school. Are they as hard, strong and fast as some of the hardest males in the Army? Uh...overall no. But on the flip side, there's a lot of candy-ass, soft males in the military who shouldn't be in. Awesomeness and shitbaggery aren't gender-exclusive. But I digress - its a game.

yea the Soviets brought women into armed conflict.

every other country involved in WW 2 did not (though I'm sure lots of resistance fighters were female).

the Soviets are not in Battlefield V

yea I'm sure there are some cases where disabled soldiers continued fighting, but having a disabled british female prominently displayed in your trailer is just virtue signalling.

@with_teeth26: That's a shame. Resistance should be a faction, too. Hard to sell the military industrial complex that way, though.

yea I'm surprised a game from this series or Call of Duty hasn't tried focusing more on the resistance.

we had "The Sabatour" (or however you spell it) a while ago which was about the resistance in France I believe

I mean, I think the trailer just looks bad like they let Jerry Bruckheimer make it, but I don't think that should give me reason to make a shit-fit over it and whatever stupid overreaction I'm sure people are going to have or are having. Anyhow, not surprised people are making a mountain out of a molehill here, but it's still a popular thing to shit on EA for whatever reason. No point in arguing, because the conversation is just going to end with something like "derp micccrotransactions **mic-drop**"

Seems like they let you shoot for about 10 seconds per mission, which is exactly how i remember mainline BF campaigns to be.

And the fact that this Michael Bayhem with black disabled female viking pirate ninjas was preceded by 30 minutes of waffling about historical accuracy is just

Oh yes. It's the gaming equivalent of a politician coming out and kissing a babies head to look good in front of an audience.

You know what's funny? A AAA management game, based around woman working n a weapon factory, probably would be more interesting than what we will get, if any of the other BF SP's are to go by.

@with_teeth26: Well, I need Battlefield: Lovely Planet. All the wars are rehashed and unoriginal.

I really don't think it matters that there's a woman leading the charge in a WW game. Your citing of historical accuracy is irrelevant when it comes to a game where you take multiple shots from the enemy and run around without so much as a limp. It's a video game for pug's sake... Who cares?

@quadknight said:

"BF1 iwas so immersive and historically accurate"

Yeeeea.....lol.

Looks historically accurate to me.

For the love of god, NEVER LEAVE THAT STAGE!!!

I totally agree. It looks like they threw in a handful of WW2, a dash of graphics, a sprinkle of pandering, and then jammed it in the silly blender.

It's almost as if they tried to pander to Fortnite players, it was just silly.

No, it doesn't.

Before I go off on a tangent, let me be explicitly clear that I am a big fan of strong female role models, characters (good or bad), musicians, and so forth. Alyx Vance is amazing, you'll find me listening to Bjork, Grimes, and Fever Ray alongside High on Fire, Witch, Kyuss, and so forth. I want to see more women in video games; not just as inspiring heroes, but as villains, because women are just like the rest of us, awesome and terrible. They're not special, they are equals.

With that said...

The sight of a woman on the cover of a WWII game, where she looks like a front-line combatant, in a period of time where there were no female combatants (relatively speaking), is a bit of a push. That's all. It'd be like me writing a book about all the moon landings and putting a picture of Katherine Johnson on the cover. Yeah, she was a NASA mathematician, but WTF does she have to do with the lunar landings to the extent of being relevant to the physical, actual landings on the moon? Misleading, and exploitative of feminism and African-Americans.

I know there were female resistance fighters. I'm sure there were even a couple of female soldiers in some armies for one reason or another. Maybe she is a nurse who found herself behind enemy lines; who knows!?! But, relatively speaking, there were no women soldiers. Putting one on the cover of the game is a horribly obvious attempt by EA to win people over, and misrepresents the conflict.

They basically are trying to cash-in on the whole feminism movement while at the same time cash-in on disgusting loot crates. It's fracking shameful to exploit not just women, but your customers in general.

I don't care that there is a woman on the cover. I care that EA is trying to capitalize on it without really making an attempt to do it well.

I'll bet 10 dollars they try to incorporate a super vague, not-explicitly-stated-but-might-as-well-have-been sexual assault plot to the woman to capitalize on the MeToo movement, as well, just to top the whole exploitation sundae with a cherry.

But hey, they sure got us talking about it!

I think that's kind of the point. The trailer made it look very over the top and unrealistic, which is frankly kind of nice compared to BF1 where they talked about the realism so much.

I'm actually kind of looking forward to this, based on the trailer.

Didn't watch. Sounds like Wolfenstein shit.

TF is wrong with some of you

Haha yes I loved those moments. They worked very well because of the intended serious tone, though. But whatever. As long as it doesn't get too close to Battlefield Heroes. In that game everything was so cartoony and silly, it completely lost the cool BF 'I'm a soldier on a battlefield" feel.

@quadknight said:

"BF1 iwas so immersive and historically accurate"

Yeeeea.....lol.

That's what it should've been called then. I never been disappointed with BF games before, but this is the first.

Yeah They had over 2,000 female snipers and out of the top 200 something like over 150 of them were women. And out of the top 10, 9 where female. Number 1 was a male though. Apparently women have more patience which make them better snipers not to mention while debatable women have a higher pain threshold. Now I'm pretty sure it was lady death but I could be wrong about who it was got her jaw shoot off it, half of it was just dangling on one side, got up and counter snipped the nazi soilder. And it was around 15-20% of the resistance were female. Like there was plenty of women during WW2. WW2 was the western beginning for allowing females to partake in wars.

I'm okay with there being women in battlefield as long as they are there for the story and not just put in there because they are women.

Wait, I thought only Soviets deployed women soldiers in WWII and that didn't look like a Soviet battlefield. Speaking of that why the f**k they don't include Soviets in the game. Soviet campaign in CoD 1 and 2 was dope.

Lol ok the "Trump is a sexist, racist,.. -ist", sure like that argument. And nice how you paint male gamers as non respecting mysoginistical pigs. I'm sure Tomb Raider would have sold millions if gamers wouldn't respect women.

And of course there's an issue, forcing devs to push a political agenda.

But of course being authoritarian is no problem when your "side" does it.

@quadknight said:

"BF1 iwas so immersive and historically accurate"

Yeeeea.....lol.

No problem with BF1 since the devs were clear and a lot of fantasy elements were involved.

No sh*t it's still a game, still doesn't change the fact there's forced propaganda in the game. COD WWII was full of crazy spectacular moments too but the devs were clear with their intentions, they wanted to be as historically accurate as possible.

It annoys me that DICE puts a lot of effort in their Battlefield games but when it comes to Battlefront they become as lazy as hell.(Even though that WW2 shouldn't have women in front lines)

Would be cool if they showed us the game instead of some scripted bullshit trailer.

Will skip it. Zero interest.

They should have gone SJW and went for a full blown afro chick with chinese origins.

Hmm I do have one (minor) gripe (with the marketing). In the boring ass talk show that I tuned out of within 10 seconds, they did make it sound like this was all about showing WW2 from a new angle. Showing what the war was really like. And I hope that only pertains to the campaign, then. Because we did sent millions of men out to die. Not willingly, either. And die they did. And I don't think it's fair to reconstruct that history (IF they are doing this) as if we also sent just as many of women or people with handicaps to the front. Because that's not the truth of it. We did select based on health, height, gender, who was going to die for the others, often against their will.

But who knows. We haven't seen the final game, at all. And it's more a problem with the marketing than the game per se.

Before people dive onto this: If they are upfront about making this their own version of WW2 or at least don't pretend like it's some kind of history game, I have zero problems with it. If it's like "We put lots of women on the front-line as it would be fun for players." I am 100% OK with that. Put it on the box. But if they pretend it's made with respect to history, that it's borderline educational and then change large non-gameplay related things without addressing it at all. (Not things you need to do to make the game function or good.) Then that crosses a line for me. Whether it's giving all Germans high pitched voices, replacing Germans with South-Africans, or replacing swastika's with peace signs, etc. etc. If you say you are going to show us the real war, then at least respect the truth insofar as a good game allows for. BF is obviously not going that route. Which is fine. I kind of prefer that, even. I like new takes on history. It's fun. And it doesn't mean that details like tank designs can't be authentic. It's not black and white. I love seeing real attention to detail in games.

I'm just saying this, because this will probably blow up again. And maybe that's what they are going for? Because it's just silly to market something this way. It's the same thing Activision did. I think they just want people to start talking about it, get them riled up, add in a little controversy.

Or they did mention it in the talk show. Because damn that was hard to get through. I don't know how you do it, I had to turn it off multiple times -___-;

Indeed, they need to make their intentions clear.

The way she's dressed omg what is the world coming to?

I knew as soon as I saw that screenshot with a woman with a gun the internet would be making a big deal out of it and people would be spouting loads of shit about SJW's and feminism.

Where as it just a game with a woman in it.

@FireEmblem_Man:

Its EA, They will find some way to **** it up

@boycie:

As soon as i saw that trailer, i would know people would start to bitch at people bitching about valid complains.

Tada.

Pew pew pew pew pew! :3 <3

Which valid complaints?

U will figure it out.

Maybe we all will someday.

@zaryia:

Who cares? It's typically going to be the same game across all platforms.