Ark Dev: X1X is Phenomenal, 50% more powerful than PS Pro

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#1  Edited By kvally
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http://wccftech.com/ark-epic-settings60fps-xb1x/

60fps not possible on PS Pro

Studio Wildcard’s Jesse Rapczak was featured in an interview with Geoff Keighley during the YouTube E3 2017 Live Show, where he announced that ARK: Survival Evolved would be targeting 60FPS on the platform while that is “not possible” for PS4 Pro. It should be noted that he probably means at 1080P or higher resolution since PS4 Pro users can already choose to run the game at 60FPS by dropping the resolution to 720P (1280×720).

It’s amazing. It’s basically like Epic settings on PC, we’re targeting 60FPS. We recently introduced variable frame rate, but on Xbox One X with the extra horsepower, you’ll notice less variation in your frame rate even in busy situations.

The PS4 Pro also has improved frame rate when compared to PS4. Before the XB1X, it was the best console version of ARK, but it’s hard to argue with that 6 teraflops [laughs]. Having the same frame rate in our game isn’t really possible, there are a couple reasons for that: the XB1X not only has a faster CPU than PS4 Pro, it also has a lot more RAM. I’d say there’s a 50% performance difference.

The Xbox One X is great. Everything from the devkits is so much easier to develop for. It’s faster in all sorts of ways, especially for us developers it’s easier to iterate. In terms of horsepower, it’s just phenomenal, it is expensive but when you think about the price for a similarly specced PC, it doesn’t unreasonable at all to me.

Overall, the quality is going up a lot. It would have been easy to say, hey, let’s just take the Xbox One version and crank up the resolution, but actually we’ve brought over some enhanced effects from PC. We’ve actually got volumetric lighting and clouds on Xbox One X, higher draw distance that is equal to PC’s Epic settings, higher resolution textures

What say you SW? Are you just as pumped for this beast, the X1X? It looks like they are delivering on the performance they promised. It appears developers are loving this new console. Hopefully this carries over into most of the games.

After a great E3, it's nice to see this backed up by 3rd party comments like this.

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#2 Howmakewood
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Amazing, such a visually stunning title

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#3 scatteh316
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Isn't this the same game that even runs like shit on the highest spec PC because it's coding is so shit?

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#4 Epak_
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Sure wish more games would have showed us that power. Metro and Anthem looked great, so did Forza7 in some shots. I don't get the indie filler though, you don't show 2D sidescrollers and such when you're demoing the most powerful console in the world lol.

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#5  Edited By MonsieurX
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All that power to play indies and multiplats

@scatteh316 said:

Isn't this the same game that even runs like shit on the highest spec PC because it's coding is so shit?

Yes

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#6  Edited By kvally
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@MonsieurX said:

All that power to play indies and multiplats

And exclusives.

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Was wondering when you'd show up, missed you last night :)

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#9  Edited By oflow
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@Epak_: As usual MS gets criticized for a non issue. Spencer even specifically stated they picked the games to show so they can show a wide variety of games.

Also considering Sony has marketing deals with all the major upcoming AAAs, they couldnt really show those off but they will look better on Xbox too.

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#10  Edited By MonsieurX
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@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:

All that power to play indies and multiplats

And exclusives.

What exclusives?

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#11 kvally
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@scatteh316 said:

Isn't this the same game that even runs like shit on the highest spec PC because it's coding is so shit?

Luckily most of those issues have been addressed on PC with patches. Runs awesome on Xbox One S.

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#12 22Toothpicks
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arbitrary numbers are arbitrary.

none of the games shown look 50% better.

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#13 kvally
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@MonsieurX said:
@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:

All that power to play indies and multiplats

And exclusives.

What exclusives?

Oh yeah, my bad. I forgot PS and Xbox don't have exclusives. You will forgive, please?

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#14  Edited By MonsieurX
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@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:
@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:

All that power to play indies and multiplats

And exclusives.

What exclusives?

Oh yeah, my bad. I forgot PS and Xbox don't have exclusives. You will forgive, please?

PS4 does,X1...not so much

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#15 Epak_
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@oflow said:

@Epak_: As usual MS gets criticized for a non issue. Spencer even specifically stated they picked the games to show so they can show a wide variety of games.

Well what else could he say? Put the indies in a montage and show us some big games lol. Not many people will care if a 8bit indie game with a rock bird collecting coins is enhanced on XboneX .

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#16 kvally
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@MonsieurX said:
@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:
@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:

All that power to play indies and multiplats

And exclusives.

What exclusives?

Oh yeah, my bad. I forgot PS and Xbox don't have exclusives. You will forgive, please?

PS4 does,X1...not so much

X1 does,PS4...not so much

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#17 scatteh316
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50% is small compared to what Play Station 5 has..... Xbox-X sucks.

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#18 MonsieurX
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@scatteh316 said:

50% is small compared to what Play Station 5 has..... Xbox-X sucks.

What the PS5 has?

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#19 Pedro
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Lets not pretend OP.

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#20 sailor232
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This thread is going places.

With a great 4k tv X1X will be a game changer. Cant wait for the DF videos.

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#21 kvally
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@Pedro said:

Lets not pretend OP.

I know, I am feeling bad for those Sony fans.

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@sailor232 said:

This thread is going places.

With a great 4k tv X1X will be a game changer. Cant wait for the DF videos.

its going to be a game changer with a 1080p tv. The ability for improved textures makes a great difference.

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#23 Fedor
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Lol, Ark devs are trash.

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@kvally said:
@Pedro said:

Lets not pretend OP.

I know, I am feeling bad for those Sony fans.

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#25 22Toothpicks
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kvally really is captain spin master. or he/she/zhe/wtf-ever is just an obtuse fool.

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#26 lglz1337
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Ark devs LOL, cant even make a pc game work

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#27 Fairmonkey
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@kvally: Playstation has exclusives, Xbox has zero

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#28 Ant_17
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@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:
@kvally said:
@MonsieurX said:
@kvally said:

And exclusives.

What exclusives?

Oh yeah, my bad. I forgot PS and Xbox don't have exclusives. You will forgive, please?

PS4 does,X1...not so much

X1 does,PS4...not so much

Your PSN profile has more exclusives than your XBL profile.

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#29 BlackShirt20
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@kvally: Surely the PS4 Pro can do better then 720p 60FPS????

This has to be a typo. Otherwise this game is ridiculously unoptimized.

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When you go on YouTube and see the PC version of this game running at 40-50fps maxed out with an overclocked GTX1080 and Intel i7 at 1080p it becomes laughable that Scorpio can hit 4k60...

It's either running at ultra low settings or they've done a heck of a lot of optimisation work...... The latter will benefit ALL platforms....

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#31 BlackShirt20
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@kvally: The power difference is actually over 50% since MS was able to free up an extra gig of ram. Which is massive. Xbox One X is probably 60% more powerful then its competitor.

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@kvally: The power difference is actually over 50% since MS was able to free up an extra gig of ram. Which is massive. Xbox One X is probably 60% more powerful then its competitor.

Lmao..... RAM doesn't process anything so no it doesn't make it over 50%....... The core is where the power comes from...

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@MonsieurX said:

All that power to play indies and multiplats

@scatteh316 said:

Isn't this the same game that even runs like shit on the highest spec PC because it's coding is so shit?

Yes

lol

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#34  Edited By BlackShirt20
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@scatteh316: Actually you're wrong. Ram is needed to make games not only run smoother but faster as well. Data transfer is a huge part of graphic processing. So I don't know what planet you're on. But a PC has 5GB of ram verses 9GB of ram that is a huge performance gap difference. Lol

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@scatteh316 said:
@BlackShirt20 said:

@kvally: The power difference is actually over 50% since MS was able to free up an extra gig of ram. Which is massive. Xbox One X is probably 60% more powerful then its competitor.

Lmao..... RAM doesn't process anything so no it doesn't make it over 50%....... The core is where the power comes from...

wow... just wow didn't know ram increases processing power! in that case my gpu's 8gb of GDDR5X along with my 16gb of ram makes my pc 2x faster than xbox one x!!!!!

cpu is probably around 10-15% faster than PS4 pro's cpu and its gpu is around 40% faster than ps4 pro's gpu.

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@BlackShirt20: Thanks for showing you don't understand the purpose of ram.

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#37  Edited By scatteh316
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@04dcarraher said:
@scatteh316 said:
@BlackShirt20 said:

@kvally: The power difference is actually over 50% since MS was able to free up an extra gig of ram. Which is massive. Xbox One X is probably 60% more powerful then its competitor.

Lmao..... RAM doesn't process anything so no it doesn't make it over 50%....... The core is where the power comes from...

wow... just wow

cpu is probably around 10-15% faster than PS4 pro's cpu and its gpu is around 40% faster than ps4 pro's gpu.

Well done.... You can read..... at 4k it's going to way more GPU bound then CPU bound.... please don't tell me you're adding the CPU+GPU percentage together.....fpmsl

You take any GPU and double the memory and it'll still kick out the same frame rate in GPU bound situations.

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@lhughey said:
@sailor232 said:

This thread is going places.

With a great 4k tv X1X will be a game changer. Cant wait for the DF videos.

its going to be a game changer with a 1080p tv. The ability for improved textures makes a great difference.

I agree, having every game being upgraded is a massive bonus. People with 4k sets will see the biggest improvement in games though, I have a enthusiast level pc and 4k gaming at the high end is unbelievable, Forza Horizon 3 is a generation difference with 4k 60fps, X1X looks to do this.

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#39  Edited By nethernova
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@kvally said:

What say you SW? Are you just as pumped for this beast, the X1X?

Probably I would care if they had actually shown some of that super power during the conference.

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@BlackShirt20 said:

@scatteh316: Actually you're wrong. Ram is needed to make games not only run smoother but faster as well. Data transfer is a huge part of graphic processing. So I don't know what planet you're on. But a PC has 5GB of ram verses 9GB of ram that is a huge performance gap difference. Lol

Jesus christ... noob of the century here!!!!

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@BlackShirt20 said:

@scatteh316: Actually you're wrong. Ram is needed to make games not only run smoother but faster as well. Data transfer is a huge part of graphic processing. So I don't know what planet you're on. But a PC has 5GB of ram verses 9GB of ram that is a huge performance gap difference. Lol

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#42  Edited By 22Toothpicks
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why do people insist on pulling random numbers straight out of their ass when comparing pieces of hardware? i'm a novice at best when it comes to understanding the intricacies of computer hardware and computational capability and even i know it's almost never as easy as assigning a single number or percentage to any such comparison. it really is ridiculous and shows the depth of your ignorance.

and i'll say again: even if it were true that the difference in output is 50% in favor of the x1x none of the games looked to prove that difference.

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@scatteh316 said:

Well done.... You can read..... at 4k it's going to way more GPU bound then CPU bound.... please don't tell me you're adding the CPU+GPU percentage together.....fpmsl

You take any GPU and double the memory and it'll still kick out the same frame rate in GPU bound situations.

Didn't you know your suppose to add the cpu and gpu together to get full amount of powa !!!? lol

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@04dcarraher said:
@scatteh316 said:

Well done.... You can read..... at 4k it's going to way more GPU bound then CPU bound.... please don't tell me you're adding the CPU+GPU percentage together.....fpmsl

You take any GPU and double the memory and it'll still kick out the same frame rate in GPU bound situations.

Didn't you know your suppose to add the cpu and gpu together to get full amount of powa !!!? lol

My sarcasim radar is a little off to so not sure if serious??

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#45 kvally
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@Fairmonkey: Xbox has exclusives. PlayStation has zero.

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@22Toothpicks said:

why do people insist on pulling random numbers straight out of their ass when comparing pieces of hardware? i'm a novice at best when it comes to understanding the intricacies of computer hardware and computational ability and even i know it's almost never as easy as assigning a single number or percentage to any such comparison. it really is ridiculous and shows the depth of your ignorance.

and i'll say again: even if it were true that the difference in output is 50% in favor of the x1x none of the games looked to prove that difference.

If Pro is stuck at 1080p or 1440p then 50% extra isn't enough to get the same game at the same settings to native 4k.

A game on Pro would have to be around the 1800p level for the 50% to get to native 2160p.

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#47  Edited By Lilseb93
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The problem though is the games and the price. $500 (plus tax and games) is expensive for another console when many people are happy with their PS4 or Xbox One, are happy with their PC, just bought the Pro, or simply don't want to spend that much money on a new console. All of the games shown are on PC and several of the games shown at E3 will be on the PS4 too at some point. I don't see it attracting any PC gamers when they can just buy the game. The people here who are doing cartwheels to bash Sony, Nintendo, and even PC gamers are the people who this console is intended for. The hardcore Xbox fans and the hardcore gamers who want a strong console. Plus I didn't see enough triple A exclusives that only Xbox would be getting that would convince people to think Xbox is far superior to its competitors.

I don't think it really convinced people to choose this over PC or convince people to pick it over Spiderman, God of War, Uncharted 4, Horizon, ect. I don't hate the console and I don't mind if it succeeds, but I don't think it's going to make a big difference in sales. But they did say it was a premium console from the start. Their biggest money maker will still be the One S as I've always said.

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#48  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@scatteh316 said:

My sarcasm radar is a little off to so not sure if serious??

yep i guess it is a little off

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#49 22Toothpicks
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@scatteh316:

yeah the nature of diminishing returns makes those numbers much less impressive than they once would have been.

i think it's safe to say that x1x is to ps4pro as og ps4 is to xbone? that seems to make sense to me without getting into concrete numbers that make little sense anyway.

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#50 04dcarraher
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@22Toothpicks said:

@scatteh316:

yeah the nature of diminishing returns makes those numbers much less impressive than they once would have been.

i think it's safe to say that x1x is to ps4pro as og ps4 is to xbone? that seems to make sense to me without getting into concrete numbers that make little sense anyway.

the only substantial thing that X1X has over the Ps4 Pro is a much larger pool of memory for vram for 4k assets.