Are you happy with all of the remasters/remakes?

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#1 SolidGame_basic
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We’ve been getting remasters/remakes of our favorite games - Final Fantasy 7, Resident Evil, Dead Space, Metroid Prime, Demon’s Souls etc. I think it’s been great that publishers are keeping these games alive and keeping them up to modern standards. Another reason why I like them is because some games I didn’t get to play back then and remastering them makes it easier and better to play. Of course, that also depends on if they are done right. What do you think, SW? Are you happy with all of the remasters/remakes?

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#2  Edited By dracula_16
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Dead Space and Resident Evil 4 are not my cup of tea, but I do like the Tony Hawk Pro Skater 1 + 2 remakes. It breathes new life into games that I used to love. Frankly, I think the remakes are even better than the original THPS 1 + 2 games. Ninja Gaiden Black is another example of a remake done right. It added more difficulty settings and included some DLC that had launched before hand.

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#3 Litchie
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I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

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#4 FredSC
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@Litchie: Damn, you raised an interesting point now...

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#5 osan0
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I'm generally not fussed either way.

If the remasters keep old great games going on newer systems then great, especially if the old game can't be purchased any more and the system it runs on is discontinued (or if it was released for really old PCs and is very difficult to get running on newer versions of windows). I.E. NITNENDO....XENOBLADE X....WHERE!?

As for remakes: They can be interesting too. It can be cool to take the basic premise of an old game but basically build an entirely new game around it. Especially true for really old games where he vision was bigger than the technology available at the time.

Still...it would also be nice if the AAA sector did something new and interesting too and NOT screw it up. A shame Forspoken tanked :(.

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#6 DaVillain  Moderator
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Yes, I have been blessed playing these Remasters & Remake games lately: (And remember everyone, Remasters & Remakes are NOT the same. Apples/Oranges)

  • RE2 Remake
  • Dead Space Remake
  • TLOU Remastered PS4 (soon to be for the PC version Remake)
  • Halo Master Chief Collection Remastered
  • Mass Effect: Legendary Edition (Remastered just for ME1)
  • Dead Island Definitive Edition (Remastered)
  • Spyro: Reignited Trilogy (Remake)
  • DOOM 3 BFG Edition (Remastered)
  • Bioshock & Bioshock 2 Remastered
  • Gears of War: Ultimate Edition
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#7 nepu7supastar7
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@SolidGame_basic:

Remasters and remakes are probably the best thing about current gen games. Companies can cash in on our nostalgia and we don't have to play all the new, repetitive garbage with a shit-ton of pay walls. And our nostalgia gets a modern coat of paint! It's win-win, as far as I'm concerned.

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#8 DaVillain  Moderator
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@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

That sounds harsh coming from you Litchie. Not knocking down what you are saying, of course, you are right in ways but there are games that do benefit from a remastered & Remake if the changes are indeed worthy. Remasters & Remakes are kinda fillers as making new IP games takes time these days.

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#9 nepu7supastar7
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@davillain:

The definition of a remaster and a remake are too muddy thanks to marketing tactics. You got companies like Naughty Dog calling Last of Us Part One a remake despite the fact that it's the exact same thing as before with better graphics. If Halo MC Collection came from ND, they would've called Halo 2 Anniversary a remake too just to hype up the fans.

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#10  Edited By TheEroica  Moderator
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@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

Bingo... Remakes scream, we want your money and/or we are creatively void. I do think there's an argument to be made on some games over long periods of time and no exposure in the modern market, but there are very few games that I'd prioritize a remake on before a new ip.

This latest Metroid remake was a sensible remake. The original isn't readily available like dead space or last of us is and the control scheme has developed in meaningful ways since prime came out. It's also 20 years old. That is a meaningful remake especially if Nintendo is planning to bring people back into the prime universe going forward.

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#11 Pedro
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@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

This

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#12  Edited By sakaiXx
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@nepu7supastar7: its the same story but the gameplay and level layout is bit different from original. Its perfectly fine to skip as it does not offer anything new storywise but the remake is still worth the time for the gameplay and visual improvements.

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#13  Edited By sakaiXx
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Personally I dont really like remasters but I enjoy remakes a lot.

Games like FF7R devs try to reimagine or add new stories that complements the original. Really enhance my love for both original and remake.

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#14 nepu7supastar7
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@sakaixx:

I know and I'll probably get it somewhere down the line once I get a ps5. I just don't like the word remake to be used to describe it. Because it makes it sound like it offers a completely new experience.

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#15  Edited By ThatForumUser
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I am happy with the MCC and Goldeneye. And Microsoft gives you remakes for free with smart delivery. Thank you MS!

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#16 hardwenzen
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I am fine with very old titles getting a full remake. But i am never OK with remasters. Remasters are nothing else but a cash grab, and i am glad we aren't seeing them this much in the last 2 or so years.

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#17 Archangel3371
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Yep, I sure am. There’s been a lot of great ones done.

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#18 Ballroompirate
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There needs to be more remasters/remakes cause honestly how many gamers still own consoles from the snes-xbox 360 gens?, the answer is probably no one.

Do we need a remaster of games like The Witcher 3? no but damn I'd love a remake or remaster of the first Witcher game and bring it up to The Witcher 3 standards.

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#19  Edited By Zaryia
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Where are the Deus Ex(original) and Morrowind remakes....

Nvidia even used Morrowind as a RTX remake in their last showcase... but no one ever did it.

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#20  Edited By mrbojangles25
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Remasters? No. Remasters are all but pointless on PC imo. Some are needed for ancient games but for the most part a.) games are near-infinitely backwards compatible on PC, and b.) community mods, editing, etc. make them playable, and c.) remasters just are not all that impressive to me when done formally by developers.

Remakes? I like remakes, especially if they get the "Black Mesa" treatment and the developer takes some creative liberties. I wish there were more, tbh.

@zaryia said:

Where are the Deus Ex(original) and Morrowind remakes....

Nvidia even used Morrowind as a RTX remake in their last showcase... but no one ever did it.

Right? Give me my Deus Ex remake in Unreal Engine 5 (keep the old soundtrack though!).

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#21 mrbojangles25
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@TheEroica said:
@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

Bingo... Remakes scream, we want your money and/or we are creatively void. I do think there's an argument to be made on some games over long periods of time and no exposure in the modern market, but there are very few games that I'd prioritize a remake on before a new ip.

This latest Metroid remake was a sensible remake. The original isn't readily available like dead space or last of us is and the control scheme has developed in meaningful ways since prime came out. It's also 20 years old. That is a meaningful remake especially if Nintendo is planning to bring people back into the prime universe going forward.

For the most part, yes, but I think some remakes can be done for truly exceptional games as a tribute. It's like when a band covers the song of another band, and put's a unique spin on it or modernizes it or does the song in a different genre.

Sometimes it can even be better than the original, i.e. Johnny Cash covering NIN's "Hurt" or Black Math Horseman covering Nirvana's "All Apologies". Though we would never admit it because loyalists would scream at us.

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#22  Edited By Life-is-a-Game  Online
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I'm all in for remakes done properly .. games like RE2, FF7, Dead Space, RE4 etc that are done properly and really try to make the old games feel fresh and new are awesome ..

Some remasters are awesome too like Shadow of the Colossus, Wind Waker HD, Metroid Prime, but some of them are bad and not worth buying .. so it depends on the remaster honestly ..

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#23  Edited By Warm_Gun
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@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

It's more that they are too afraid of being inventive and designing intelligently, their budgets too big and their shareholders too entwined not to make a standard, safe game that ticks off all the AAA boxes. Playing Yuppie Psycho (2018) right now. Miss when the studios made game stories and exploration that unfolded like that.

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#24 lamprey263
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I was probably less happy about the Dead Space remake when it was announced wishing instead they'd just do a remaster collection. But I was pleasantly surprised by how excellent of a job they did with the remake so I hope they do one for Dead Space 2 next.

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#25 Miquella
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I'm still waiting for Dragon Age: Origins remake

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#26 adsparky
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I'm fine with them, a lot of games can't be played unless you have the original game, the console and even a TV from that time.

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#27  Edited By tocool340
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I'm totally fine with it, as long as actual care was put into it. Metroid Prime remaster basically sets the standards on what a remaster should be imo and Resident Evil Remake (also 2) set the bar for Remake. There are many games showing their age that could greatly benefit from a more modern touch up like many N64/PS1 gen games. Many old classics can use the love. If it's an obvious cash grab, they can keep it...

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#28 HalcyonScarlet
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@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

Yeah man, TLOU 1, Remastered 2 turbo hyper edition. Definitely seems like that.

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#29 NNoyingHusband
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I think there’s a tasteful way to do it and a cash grab way to do it.

TLOU 1 Remake - No one asked for it, no one wanted it, and it was disgusting they charged $70 for it.

Metroid Prime Remastered - People have been begging for this and at $40, what a steal.

Two perfect examples. The RE games are mostly perfect. I can see the argument that RE3 was shortchanged, I remember complaints about that, but these RE games deserve the remakes and are a quality product. Hopefully SH2 remake meets that standard and if we really do get a MGS1 remake like rumors are saying, that it’s amazing as well. Games that people actually want remade, not cash grabs no one asked for.

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#30 pmanden
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@miquella: An Origins remake would be cool, but it would probably result in a game with much better graphics but dumbed down, action-oriented combat. Let us see what Dragon Age 4 has to offer first.

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#31 simple-facts
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Obviously cows are what with TLOU remaster of a remaster of a remastered remaster.

The rest of us not so much,if the original still holds up then play that if you want a bit nostalgia,dead space being a prime example

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#32 SecretPolice
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The Master Chief Collection and Mass Effect Legendary Edition are awesome but the rest, eh, not so much. :P

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#33 blaznwiipspman1
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Some games are great. The MCC collection is fantastic, metroid prime remastered is fantastic, same with gears of war. The thing with MS is they don't charge money for their remasters. Nintendo charged money, but it wasn't too bad at $40. Sony was despicable, charging $70 for a remastered remaster of a remaster. Even more disgusting was all the reviewers, including GS who praised Sony for this disgusting behavior.

Even SE remade ff7, it was done really well, a complete revamp.

I personally don't like dead space remake for that reason. Even though it's a quality game, all they did was bump up the graphics, yet still charging full price. The great thing about EA games is they tank in price shortly. So I'm expecting it to go on sale in 2 to 3 months or even be on gamepass.

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#34 PCLover1980
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I'm fine with old remakes as long as it changes things up. The target is more of the newer gamers anyway cos it's hard to market an old looking game.

Remasters are kinda eh, but that's because I play on PC, and it's easy to just mod/max the graphics of even older games, something you can't do easily on a console.

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#35 blaznwiipspman1
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@SolidGame_basic: MS and Xbox are saints. They never or rarely charge for a remaster/remake. It just quietly gets updated and even put on gamepass service. No fan fare, just another day. No GS re reviews praising them and shilling $70 for the same game we all played.

Xbox for the gamers. PS for the shareholders.

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#36 my_user_name
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Console games that are stuck at 30 fps.... like many PS3 exclusives, I'd welcome them getting a 60 fps release if it's at a low price. There's some remasters that in their current state shouldn't exist like the Ezio Trilogy and Arkham collection.

Ground up visual remakes are generally more appealing. The Spyro and Crash ones were great, basically a best case scenario.

FF7 and RE2 are fine. Dead Space was unnecessary, wouldn't pay anywhere near full price for it, hopefully it leads to a new entry. Tlou .... lol

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#37 dabear
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@SolidGame_basic: No. I am not happy with Hollywood doing the same. Put that effort into new games.

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#38  Edited By PAL360
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I am, despite the fact that i'm not particularly interested in any! I love the crazy amount of options we have today.

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#39  Edited By onesiphorus
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@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

How many people in the world have the talent for creating original ideas? Not that many, as only a few have originality that can change the world. The rest of us are content with what we have.

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#40 Nonstop-Madness
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@Litchie said:

I take it as a sign of developers having no ideas left. So no.

I don't think that's true.

It does help keep folks afloat considering it's extremely risky and expensive to create new IP but, there are valid reasons to remake / remaster games. Tons of video games are locked away on legacy hardware and/or are extremely outdated in terms of visual fidelity, gameplay mechanics etc.

Ex. RE2 is one of the most memorable games on the PS1 generation. You really think a game from 1998 would satisfy today's market? The only people who would remotely be interested in playing the '98 version would be folks who played it back then.

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#41 uninspiredcup
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If people like em' they like them.

If I don't, can always not play and just ignore them.

It's "whatever".

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#42 Ghosts4ever
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Remakes. Im fine.

Remastered. nope

Remakes are best way to revisit originals.

Remake improved RE2, Dead space. Remake is the reason we are getting System shock remake which is more of overhaul of 1994 game.

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#43  Edited By with_teeth26
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I've not got much out of them to be honest. Black Mesa and RE2 are the only one I really liked, since they were proper remakes and felt like new games (and I didn't play the old RE2).

I was looking forward to the Mafia remake, since the original is one of my favourite games and is quite old, but they screwed it up so badly by turning it into a cover shooter and changing the voice actors for the worse and just generally not capturing the spirit of the original that I only played a couple hours.

There are a few old games that I think would benefit from remakes if done well, but overall I'd much rather devs put their time and resources into new games.

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#45  Edited By KathaarianCode
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I'm fine with it. Money grabbing remakes like Sony's TLoU or superb works like Metroid Prime, they can be a great way for new players to play classics.

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#46 mtron32
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No, I think it's a waste of resources, teams that could be producing new properties are instead producing remakes of games that are still very much playable.

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#47 TheEroica  Moderator
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@mtron32 said:

No, I think it's a waste of resources, teams that could be producing new properties are instead producing remakes of games that are still very much playable.

100 percent.

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#48 nepu7supastar7
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@TheEroica:

What about games that aged badly in terms of graphics from before the ps3/360 era like Silent Hill or Metal Gear Solid? Surely you can't expect new players who SH-curious to play the old ps2 games and enjoy them just the same as we did, can you? Not all games are timeless, especially those that relied on resembling real life to deliver a certain level of impact on the player.

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With the way remakes are being done, yes, I am quite happy with them. Fixing the archaic gameplay of old classics(that have aged by a large margin) and improving the graphics by a ton is always a win in my book.

The basic remasters? Meh, I could take or leave most of them. What's the point when mods have already done what most of the remaster does? The Mass Effect games, for instance.

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#50 Silentchief
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Yes because I enjoy them and in some cases it's my first time experiencing them. The remakes of Shadow of the Clossus, Crisis Core and Dead Space were the first time I played them. The RE4 remake could be GotY and I absolutely loved Demon Souls. FF7 was more of a sequel then a remake.

Yes I would like awesome new IP's but chances are you are going to end up with trash like Forspoken or more free to play garbage.