Are you happy not having intellectual complex video games?

Reading your post, i'm not sure that you're ready.

Sometimes you want something complex, sometimes you don't. Just like movies. Luckily there's room for both in the industry.

Just because one person doesn't find a game "intellectually" compelling does not mean that another does. Plus we still get games like Braid and Fez.

Kudos for bringing up Dark Forces 2, I watched some videos of it a couple of days ago and thought to myself how well it aged.

But these aren't complex or intellectual. they are pretentious.

/high five

Are you happy being a boring, antagonistic wanker?

Thank you for making my point. "Just because one person doesn't find a game "intellectually" compelling does not mean that another does."

TC seems to make the presumption that he alone is the authority for what constitutes "intellectual and complex"

My friend, as a former athlete in the mplayer UK Quake 3 team , this is highly doubtful. To be officially sanctioned as the best of the best is a great honor indeed.

I'm so happy that some people still remember Dark Forces II, it is still my favorite FPS of all time. The level design in this game is just so complex but at the same time very well crafted. BTW Dark Forces I has also very good level design. Jedi Outcast level design is also good but its main drawback is that it doesn't have the vast areas of Dark Forces II.

Yawn.

Maybe the most pretentious op I've ever read... Passing off personal experience as all encompassing intellect... Wow.

What does playing Q3 have to do with being intelligent ?

I completely agree with lundy

A game just has to be fun. Complexity, graphics, story and such are all just a bonus to me.

I just love games man

My friend, Bioware already won game of the year with the Baldur Gate series. Indeed, this is essentially what KOTOR is, a stripped down version of Baldur Gates mechanics. Interestingly, although Baldurs Gate has some major balance issues due to DnD mechanics, KOTOR (and II) somehow manage to be even more unbalanced. It's quite baffling. The entire game can be won simply by spamming electricity. KOTOR II manages to get by with superior story-telling but gameplay wise, I feel deeply I must disagree with you in this regard.

@uninspiredcup: did you just refer to yourself as an "athlete" because you were in a gaming tournament ?

I think these games are dumbed d own to cater to everyone. Cater to everyone. Sell more. I mind it but also don't. I used to find games more fun that i could delve into the inner workings of them though and had a ton of depth. Now games are more mindless entertainment. I think it's the lack of depth i miss the most.

Basically... this;

This ^ ^ ^ ^. I've played both KoToR and Dark Forces 1 & 2 on PC. Dark Forces was a great game. I got lost and stuck on parts as well. Climbing on those wall ledges was a pain in the ***.

@AdobeArtist said:

@HadOne2Many said:

@uninspiredcup: did you just refer to yourself as an "athlete" because you were in a gaming tournament ?

Basically... this;

Even if one disregarded e-sports as a non creditable sport, which frankly, is a great disservice, Charity events have been done to help ill kiddies whom we should all care about and thus earn of the status of athlete regardless.

My friends, "athlete" is a state of mind. If you watch Rocky 3, Rocky is beaten by Clubber Lang not because he is physically weaker but because he lacks "the eye of the tiger". i.e. a state of mind.. Talent and skill are intrinsically two different things. Talent comes naturally, skill is something that required development. Without an athletes mindset the dedication required to be a winner will not come to fruition. The hart of a winner is not a light switch that goes on and off, it's on constantly. This applies not just to physical sports, not just to gaming but everything we do in life.

So.... you're comparing yourself with Rocky?

I think he is.

Spec Ops: The Line

Oh well. My idea of complex is more like this. There isn't an FPS game in existence that I can even remotely call complex. FPS games are what I play if I don't want to think too much.

It's half the reason I game almost exclusively on PC (I do have a PSP for those airport delays). You just don't get complexity like Civilization, Total War, or even simulators on consoles. Hell, half the games I play are grognard games. If a grognard game was released on consoles, consolites would be all "lol teh graphixs no thanx more TLOU plz."

I hate these kind of statements.

'Complex' games=/=A good game.

Mate, the world doesn't revolve around you so I would suggest you stay off the internet for a few days.

Technically speaking, the moon use to be part of earth. And does rotate around the earth, which I am on.

Thus, the world does indeed rotate around me. Literally.

Based on this thread, he is far from the authority on what constitutes "intellectual"

Somebody sounds butthurt

Mhmm, obviously you don't care what people say so, I'll just leave you be in your little world.

*facepalm*

So much nonsense in this thread.

Esports =/= athletics. Moron.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/athlete

@uninspiredcup: I don't give a shit what your piddling definition says- when I see Tekken replacing martial arts at the Olympics, then I'll try to not snicker at morons calling themselves "athletes" over a fuckin' videogame. And not one second before.

Moron.

But I'm right.

Christ! What's next? A group of assholes calling themselves "soldiers" because they won a Call of Duty tourney?

Not athletes.

@uninspiredcup: you're not even right according to your own definition!

"A person possessing the natural or acquired traits, such as strength, agility, and endurance, that are necessary for physical exercise or sports"

PHYSICAL EXERCISE OR SPORTS. Dickhead.

Not all page.

It's an insult to my intelligence to have games like Call of Duty.

Seriously though, not all games have to be overly complex. Sometimes you just want to do simple tasks to kill your time away.

Why drop the link when everything it says works AGAINST your claim?

"1. (Athletics (Track & Field)) a person trained to compete in sports or exercises involving physical strength, speed, or endurance

2. a person who has a natural aptitude for physical activities

3. (Athletics (Track & Field)) Brit a competitor in track and field events"

EXERCISES INVOLVING PHYSICAL STRENGTH, SPEED, OR ENDURANCE

PHYSICAL ACTIVITIES

Nothing involving contests to see who can sit on their ass pushing buttons most effectively.

Brain dead nitwit.

My friend, while I admire your passion, as a former professional athlete with impressive amounts of endurance, I must disagree

BTW you should check out "The Wolverine". Bad final act with weird CGI robot thing but the rest of it is pretty decent.

@uninspiredcup: ever win anything involving physical activity? Did you receive monetary compensation for such a victory? The only believable answers here are "no" and "no."

Making you an idiot and a liar, being neither an athlete nor a professional.

So you have fun with your e-peen enlarging phallus-ies(get it?), I've accomplished what I needed to in this thread.

Agreed. Although in certain cases (e.g. tactical shooters) complex games have moved into the realm of "almost dead" as opposed to niche. As a fan of the genre it's deeply saddening. Arma, while bountiful in quantity, barely fills the void.