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Poll Are Witcher and Dragon Age aspiring to be Skyrim? (58 votes)

Yes 100% no qeastion about it. It's not even a qeastion when you think about it. Of course it has, no need for a poll, this is factually based based specifically based on fact. 22%
No, of course not 55%
John Goodman still alive at least. Very powerful liver. 22%

My friends, recently I brought up the concept that both the Witcher and Dragon Age through design change are aspiring to be Skyrim.

Originally, Dragon Age was marketed as a CRPG style game. Then, with Dragon Age 2, it became an action console game. Then, with Dragon Age 3, is appears to be an open world action game.

The Witcher, originally a click based state style RPG. Moved on to being a Fable style console action game with 2. And now, is an out and out open world game.

Is it really wrong to claim that this is primarily due to Skyrim? It seems incredibly obvious this is the reason.


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#1  Edited By RoboCopISJesus
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I'm not your friend.

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#2  Edited By chessmaster1989
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I think The Witcher 3 should start by aspiring to be a good game. The series hasn't had much success in that department.

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@chessmaster1989 said:

I think The Witcher 3 should start by aspiring to be a good game. The series hasn't had much success in that department.

I would agree with this. It's not a bad game or series but the praise it gets as if it's some godly entity is somewhat baffling.

This is primarily due to the like of the company rather than the game. It seems.

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#4 R3FURBISHED
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Elder Scrolls should aspire to be The Witcher in my eyes.

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Its too early to say, lets wait until any bugs and terrible gameplay occur then we'l decide.

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#7 Zelda187
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Why not?

Hell, I'll personally never understand how the hell anyone could prefer Oblivion over Skyrim (even with mods).

Morrowind? Sure, I get that.

But Oblivion? LOL, get the **** outta here.

I have high hopes for The Witcher 3. But after the utter disaster that Dragon Age 2 turned out to be...I just can't get super excited about it. And I sure as **** won't put it into the same category as Morrowind or Skyrim until it proves me otherwise.

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#8 MonsieurX
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Is it really wrong to claim that this is primarily due to Skyrim? It seems incredibly obvious this is the reason.

It's morally wrong.

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#9 MonsieurX
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Is it really wrong to claim that this is primarily due to Skyrim? It seems incredibly obvious this is the reason.

It's morally wrong.

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#10  Edited By Cloud_imperium
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Nope . All of them are open world but they are focusing on different elements . I really love all of those franchises though (except Dragon Age 2) . The Elder Scrolls series is about exploration , unlimited quests , and huge landscapes where , there is always something new to see.

You don't play TES , you live in it . While Witcher 3 on other hand is basically Witcher 2 in open world . Their main focus is the storyline and ending the trilogy with this big chapter . As for Dragon Age , I am not sure . 1st one was great and 2nd was meh . Inquisition looks great so far but I don't trust Bioware anymore . It seems they are focusing way too much on "sex" and less on gameplay .

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#11 hrt_rulz01
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That's one thing I'm slightly worried about with Witcher 3... They keep raving on about how big the world is, but that's not necessarily a good thing.

I want it to be a Witcher game, not Skyrim (which I never really got in to).

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@R3FURBISHED said:

Elder Scrolls should aspire to be The Witcher in my eyes.

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Great developers would be ignorant not to take inspiration from one another when it works. This does not mean that they are attempting to clone another game.

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@RoboCopISJesus said:

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#15 Pffrbt
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I don't think anything should aspire to be completely broken and shallow.

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#16  Edited By blangenakker
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Skyrim didn't create sandbox gaming

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#17 silversix_
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They are for sure but i don't think neither will be as casuals and hollow as Skyrim was (especially TW3 cuz its CDPR motherf*cker!)

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Well bioware point blank said they were looking at skyrim when making Inquisition

http://www.wired.com/2011/12/dragon-age-3/

“We’re checking [Skyrim] out aggressively. We like it. We’re big admirers of [Bethesda] and the product,” he said. “We think we can do some wonderful things.”

Dragon Age II, which BioWare released earlier this year for PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, drew polarized reactions from both critics and fans. While some lauded its character development and writing, others, including Wired.com,criticized the game for feeling rushed and disjointed.

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#19  Edited By heguain
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@RoboCopISJesus said:

I'm not your friend.

@R3FURBISHED said:

Elder Scrolls should aspire to be The Witcher in my eyes.

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@musalala said:

Well bioware point blank said they were looking at skyrim when making Inquisition

http://www.wired.com/2011/12/dragon-age-3/

“We’re checking [Skyrim] out aggressively. We like it. We’re big admirers of [Bethesda] and the product,” he said. “We think we can do some wonderful things.”

Dragon Age II, which BioWare released earlier this year for PC, Xbox 360 and PlayStation 3, drew polarized reactions from both critics and fans. While some lauded its character development and writing, others, including Wired.com,criticized the game for feeling rushed and disjointed.

I've been proven right once again.

This is getting repetitive.

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#21 Sollet
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Because they are all open world rpgs?

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#22  Edited By parkurtommo
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**** everyone who thinks Skyrim was bad lol.

Yes, everyone should aspire to be Skyrim, as long as they don't sacrifice their uniqueness at the same time. I think, that building a believable open world is pretty much the very best thing that video games can do at this point. Open world games have been the games to provide me with the most fun.

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#23  Edited By 7MDMA
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Skyrim on console was bad. Vanilla Skyrim on PC is bad. The game is dated in that state especially in terms of graphics. Modded Skyrim is the best open world RPG you can play along with modded New Vegas (less open world but better RPG.)

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No, they're just taking cues from Skyrim. It's how things evolve, by taking cues from each other.

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@parkurtommo said:

**** everyone who thinks Skyrim was bad lol.

Yes, everyone should aspire to be Skyrim, as long as they don't sacrifice their uniqueness at the same time. I think, that building a believable open world is pretty much the very best thing that video games can do at this point. Open world games have been the games to provide me with the most fun.

But Skyrim was bad. Playing as a Rogue might as well be typing "god mode" into the console.

Shockingly shocking.

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Some people like great games and other people like Skyrim... I can totally respect that. Sorry if we upset you.

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#27  Edited By Shielder7
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Witcher > Skyrim > Bunch of other crap >Dragon Age

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#28  Edited By intotheminx
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I'm not a huge fan of The Witcher 2. I liked the first one by miles more. The Witcher 3 looks beautiful, but I'm afraid it's going to be The Witcher 2 in a larger world. To answer the question; I doubt they are copying and pasting. I will admit they probably drew inspiration from Skyrim.

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#29  Edited By jg4xchamp
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Dragon Age is aspiring to to be boredom fuel.

Witcher is aspiring to be The Witcher 2, but BIGGER.


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#30 AdrianWerner
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I think Witcher 3 is aspiring to be modern Gothic 2 to be honest

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#31  Edited By Dasein808
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I played all of the ES games through Morrowind.

I haven't touched it since they first decided to take the series to consoles with Morrowind and since they can't be assed to make an actual PC UI and not a hideous consolized radial menu system with oversized graphics.

Apart from the UI travesty of the Witcher 2, I'd have to say that no, it's not trying to be Skyrim. Maybe Skyrim didn't do this, but I pretty much gave up on Bethesda after the sour taste left by Morrowind.

The ES games have always had the same problem since Daggerfall: It's entirely too easy to become a demigod and eliminate any challenge that the game may have once offered.

In Daggerfall, I remember being able to walk out of a dungeon, re-enter it, and re-loot the exact same chests for a new batch of random treasure.

I seem to recall Morrowind "fixing" this problem by making it so that none of the merchants could afford to buy the most valuable loot; unless you found the "Mud Crab."

Brilliant.

To this point, none of the Witcher games seem to have suffered from such short sighted game design.

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#32  Edited By KungfuKitten
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Reading the Witcher books the world is so different from Skyrim, it has plenty material and vibe to make it its own thing. I feel this was only a natural evolution of the series. I don't think that if Skyrim was never made, that they would not have gone this route. But I am sure they have played Skyrim too and will try to improve on Bethesda's execution of an open world game, who are a lot more experienced than Project RED at making open world games. It would be stupid to ignore the works of the experienced.

Their next game will also be open worldish, so this is probably good practice.

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#33 YearoftheSnake5
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No.

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#34  Edited By Alcapello
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Witcher trying to be like souls, dragon age trying to be like witcher, skyrim trying to be like fallout.

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#35 Dasein808
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@alcapello said:

Witcher trying to be like souls

The Witcher books and the original game both predate Demon Souls or any of the other Souls games...

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@parkurtommo

Some people like great games and other people like Skyrim... I can totally respect that. Sorry if we upset you.

Or you can like great games and Skyrim.

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@uninspiredcup said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

I think The Witcher 3 should start by aspiring to be a good game. The series hasn't had much success in that department.

I would agree with this. It's not a bad game or series but the praise it gets as if it's some godly entity is somewhat baffling.

This is primarily due to the like of the company rather than the game. It seems.

It was praised when it was a PC exclusive. Now that is on consoles aswell, its trash... PC fanboys are just like any other fanboys, a bunch of hypocrites

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#38  Edited By pyro1245
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Well the Witcher has always been about the story, and it actually has a good one. Skyrim was more about being a sandbox.

As for Dragon Age, well that could go either way. I haven't looked at much of the Inquisition stuff.

I'm gonna say no. There are lots of open-world games that could be described as like Skyrim but I don't think any of them are trying to be like Skyrim.

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Skyrim + Great = Error 404.

statement does not compute.... Please enter a valid statement. :p

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@Dasein808 said:

@alcapello said:

Witcher trying to be like souls

The Witcher books and the original game both predate Demon Souls or any of the other Souls games...

Souls own witchers

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#41  Edited By Dasein808
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@alcapello said:

Souls own witchers

K.

Different games with their own merits and problems, imo, but in no way are the Witcher games emulating the Souls series.

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#42 parkurtommo
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@Lulu_Lulu said:

@parkurtommo

Skyrim + Great = Error 404.

statement does not compute.... Please enter a valid statement. :p

What's not to like about Skyrim? Huge world, immersive landscapes, intense weather, really beautiful ambient music, hundreds of activities, complete freedom.

The only complaint you can make is that there aren't enough RPG aspects, that seems to be the main complaint rgarding Skyrim. But I don't understand why genre restrictions should etermine the quality... of anything.

It's a good game. does everything a game should do; takes you away from reality.

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@Vatusus said:

@uninspiredcup said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

I think The Witcher 3 should start by aspiring to be a good game. The series hasn't had much success in that department.

I would agree with this. It's not a bad game or series but the praise it gets as if it's some godly entity is somewhat baffling.

This is primarily due to the like of the company rather than the game. It seems.

It was praised when it was a PC exclusive. Now that is on consoles aswell, its trash... PC fanboys are just like any other fanboys, a bunch of hypocrites

A very good point my friend.

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Its overly ambitious and each one of its game mechanics are shallower than Cow Clicker.

I was also impressed by all those things... For 1 hour. A game needs a whole lot more than that if it plans to sustain someone (who has no problem with reality) for longer than one hour. A game needs depth, not width.

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@Lulu_Lulu said:

@parkurtommo

Skyrim + Great = Error 404.

statement does not compute.... Please enter a valid statement. :p

oh look the narutard spamming that you can't like games he doesn't like as always- thanks for telling him he can't think something is great without your permission narutard.

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@Dasein808 said:
@alcapello said:

Souls own witchers

K.

Different games with their own merits and problems, imo, but in no way are the Witcher games emulating the Souls series.

Well they hinted at it at E3 during the gameplay demo.

Something about combat moves if i'm not mistaken.

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#47  Edited By Lulu_Lulu
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I never said that. Nobody has been more vocal about defending people's rights to like crap more than I have. People are suppose to like crap like Skyrim. Thats their choice !

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Fallout New Vegas >>>>>>>>> All those games.

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#49  Edited By adamosmaki
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@Krelian-co said:

@R3FURBISHED said:

Elder Scrolls should aspire to be The Witcher in my eyes.

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#50 parkurtommo
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Its overly ambitious and each one of its game mechanics are shallower than Cow Clicker.

I was also impressed by all those things... For 1 hour. A game needs a whole lot more than that if it plans to sustain someone (who has no problem with reality) for longer than one hour. A game needs depth, not width.

Hey, if it worked, it wasn't too ambitious.

I'm not one to judge things by their depth, but rather the enjoyement that I get from them. I enjoyed Skyrim, therefor it is a good game. In the same manner that I enjoy Mount & Blade Warband (much more deep and complicated RPG with strategy elements).

Some games are just more than the sum of it's parts. It's not worth nitpicking on how Skyrim has terrible melee combat, or that they use voice actors for many characters, or that there are many gitches, none of that matters if it's captivates the player regardless.