Are we 100% positive multi-plats will look and run better on X-Series X over the PS5?

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#1  Edited By deactivated-60bf765068a74
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We know there might be some power differences here, but are devs gonna use it?

Remember some games last gen like Assassin Creed Unity were 900p on both XB1 and PS4 despite the PS4 being the stronger system.

People speculate it might be that Microsoft paid them for parity and to hold back the ps4 version because they had a marketing deal together.

Could we also see some parity deals here on multi-plats like last gen or what do you guys think?

I think the specs are close enough between the 2 systems we should just build one version and stay parity between the two, and then gimp it down for series S.

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#2 lundy86_4
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No... Still, this is some sad damage control.

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#3 ConanTheStoner
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All comes down to the dev, but yeah I'd imagine in most cases the games will be at least equal if not better on Series X.

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#4 Archangel3371
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It’s up to the devs really. I’m sure some will probably use the extra horsepower to push the XSX versions a little more and some probably won’t.

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@ProtossRushX said:

We know there might be some power differences here, but are devs gonna use it?

Remember some games last gen like Assassin Creed Unity were 900p on both XB1 and PS4 despite the PS4 being the stronger system.

People speculate it might be that Microsoft paid them for parity and to hold back the ps4 version because they had a marketing deal together.

Could we also see some parity deals here on multi-plats like last gen or what do you guys think?

I think the specs are close enough between the 2 systems we should just build one version and stay parity between the two, and then gimp it down for series S.

Remember when Sony had the marketing rights for RDR2, and a certain a cow (nathendrakeswag) on here said Sony would force R* to make the X for parity with the PRO version, and we all know how that turned out didn't we.

Not all devs will make differences, only the ones who care about giving players the best quality games they can.

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#6 JasonOfA36
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So cows were laughing at the Xbox One for being underpowered last gen and now, it's okay for the PS5 to be underpowered compared to the SeX? Sheesh.

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Series X has a better CPU and GPU. So yes

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#8 hrt_rulz01
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Lmao, this damage control is just pathetic. Even for cow standards.

XsX will have the better versions, and the gap will only grow over time once devs start to get used to the hardware.

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#9 JoshRMeyer
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The power difference is so small I doubt we'll see much difference, if any. But I guess we'll see.

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@joshrmeyer said:

The power difference is so small I doubt we'll see much difference, if any. But I guess we'll see.

LOL.

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#11 NathanDrakeSwag
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Lems will cling to an extra blade of grass in multiplats while having no first party games for the next 2 years.

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#12 xantufrog  Moderator
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Yes.

Not all - if the devs don't do anything to flex the XSX a bit more out of laziness or intentional parity.

But yes

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#13 deactivated-60bf765068a74
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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Lems will cling to an extra blade of grass in multiplats while having no first party games for the next 2 years.

I was one of those guys hyping the improved grass on ps4 over xb1 on here though :(

I'm gonna miss being able to do that. Remember the grass pics an stuff.

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#14 hardwenzen
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I have been told 28491938471837418923 times that the SSD inside the PS5 will save the day. Where is that at?

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#15 ConanTheStoner
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@ProtossRushX said:

I was one of those guys hyping the improved grass on ps4 over xb1 on here though :(

I'm gonna miss being able to do that. Remember the grass pics an stuff.

😂

You really are the best fakeboy, props my guy.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Lems will cling to an extra blade of grass in multiplats while having no first party games for the next 2 years.

Gears Tactics at launch says hi, are you going to ignore that, and there will be MSFS coming soon also as they have stated that they are hard at work making it work on Xbox.

#stayignorant

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#17 deactivated-618bc23e9b1c9
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With 25% more power I'd say it's a given. Of course Sony first party titles will probably come pretty close.

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#19  Edited By Sevenizz
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100%, unless some publishers favour (pay for) parity.

Just do the rather easy math. 30% extra power.

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#20 deactivated-5fd4737f5f083
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Like always the differences will be negligible to the overall enjoyment of the game. It'll come down to exclusives rather than 3rd party titles.

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#21  Edited By ellos
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Yes because as always these consoles are advertised suspiciously high. The weaker one is going to hit the limits and show. Ps5 may not be able to hang on to such lofty targets. The boost clock may also not result in much gain so the gap may end up being even bigger depending on a game. Just my speculation tormo, 123......

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@i_p_daily said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Lems will cling to an extra blade of grass in multiplats while having no first party games for the next 2 years.

Gears Tactics at launch says hi, are you going to ignore that, and there will be MSFS coming soon also as they have stated that they are hard at work making it work on Xbox.

#stayignorant

Everyone who cares about strategy games and flight simulators game on PC my guy. Forza 8 is early development. The situation over in Redmond ain't looking good right now.

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#23  Edited By BlackShirt20
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Yes. We are sure. Sorry cows.

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#24 arkephonic
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So if I mostly play multiplats, should I get the Series X before the PS5?

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#25  Edited By iambatman7986
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The Series X has a better cpu and a better gpu. Some developers will use that power to give the series x better visuals in one way or another.

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#26 Sevenizz
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@arkephonic: ‘So if I mostly play multiplats, should I get the Series X before the PS5?’

Up to you. If you like significantly more horsepower (30%), better controller, more stable online, and a quieter console - the XSX is for you.

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@NathanDrakeSwag said:
@i_p_daily said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Lems will cling to an extra blade of grass in multiplats while having no first party games for the next 2 years.

Gears Tactics at launch says hi, are you going to ignore that, and there will be MSFS coming soon also as they have stated that they are hard at work making it work on Xbox.

#stayignorant

Everyone who cares about strategy games and flight simulators game on PC my guy. Forza 8 is early development. The situation over in Redmond ain't looking good right now.

And yet i created a thread saying i'm interested in Gears Tactics, i don't give a shit about the Gears franchise, but a game with turn based strategy i could get into. I have no interest in MSFS but there are other who do, so no not everyone who cares about those games are on PC.

As for Forza is has been reported and confirmed by T10 that they have been making it since early 2019, and they have been Playing the game since December last year. Now we know these guys can develop games pretty quickly as seen by the 2 yr gap between 5 to 6 and 6 to 7. So i'd say the game will probably be out by the end of next year, and if not i will wait as we all know they produce quality racing games, Sony not so much.

Anything else i can inform you on???

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@netracing said:

Like always the differences will be negligible to the overall enjoyment of the game. It'll come down to exclusives rather than 3rd party titles.

Spoken exactly the way a cow speaks, are you coming out of the cow closet???

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@warrior88 said:

Triangles per second

PS5 8.92 Billion Xbox x 7.3 Billion

Triangle culling

PS5 17.84 Billion Xbox x 14.6 Billion

Pixel Fillrate

PS5 142.72 Billion Xbox x 116.8 Billion

Texture Fillrate

PS5 321.12 Billion Xbox x 379.6 Billion

damn....niiiiiiice.....interesting....PS5 the better console eh?

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#31 freedomfreak
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Should be, unless a Japanese dev refuses to play ball.

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#32 Sadpolar7
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We won’t know til November....which is why I don’t preorder consoles. For all we know another red ring of death situation could happen again. Don’t be fooled into paying to beta test a multi billion dollar corporations product. Wait for reviews.

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#34 sealionact
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@NathanDrakeSwag: "Lems will cling to an extra blade of grass in multiplats while having no first party games for the next 2 years."

.....and yet lems have first party games day one.

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@ProtossRushX said:
@warrior88 said:

Triangles per second

PS5 8.92 Billion Xbox x 7.3 Billion

Triangle culling

PS5 17.84 Billion Xbox x 14.6 Billion

Pixel Fillrate

PS5 142.72 Billion Xbox x 116.8 Billion

Texture Fillrate

PS5 321.12 Billion Xbox x 379.6 Billion

damn....niiiiiiice.....interesting....PS5 the better console eh?

Are you talking to yourself?

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#36 Sadpolar7
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PS5 when the slim model is released.

3080 in 7 weeks from now.

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#37  Edited By Bluestars
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xbox one x shits on the pro.

serious x will shit on the ps5.

cows will pay the same to be shat on.

and sales will be the cow damage control of choice next gen

HaH

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#38  Edited By st_monica
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@freedomfreak said:

Should be, unless a Japanese dev refuses to play ball.

Ubisoft, which previously made Assassin Creed Unity 900p for parity both on both XB1 and PS4, is a French company, though.

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#39 freedomfreak
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@st_monica: True, but no one really cares about the French.

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#40 st_monica
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@freedomfreak said:

@st_monica: True, but no one really cares about the French.

Why not? But yeah, let's see how games such as Assassin's Creed Valhara and Resident Evil Village will run differently on Series X and PS5.

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#41  Edited By Sushiglutton
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Part of it is up to developers, but a game should look better on a more capable machine. That being said, with modern upscaling technologies and other tricks I very much doubt anyone would really notice the difference when immersed in the game.

In a side by side comparison by DF, I think it will be possible to spot the difference though.

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#42 freedomfreak
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@st_monica: They're French, for starters. Anyway, Dynasty Warriors X should be fine on Series X. Maybe.

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#43 st_monica
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@freedomfreak: Yeah, I hope Koei Tecmo won't screw themselves like 9.

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#44 tormentos
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I dont see a reason to believe other wise,it has more power and bandwidth.

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#45 PAL360
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I believe most multiplats will have slightly higher res on Series X, but people will not even notice without the help of digital foundry.

There was never such a small hardware gap between two competitors. Fanboys expecting massive differences will for sure be disappointed.

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#46 Ibacai
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If the devs Push both systems to peak performance for their individual hardware then yes, the series x will have better looking/running multiplats.

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#47 tormentos
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@hrt_rulz01 said:

Lmao, this damage control is just pathetic. Even for cow standards.

XsX will have the better versions, and the gap will only grow over time once devs start to get used to the hardware.

The gap will be what it is there is no secret hidden power on xbox that will awake 3 years into the race.🤣

But again this coming from some one who saw no problem on 2013 from 720p to 1080p is lol worthy.

@i_p_daily said:
@NathanDrakeSwag said:

Lems will cling to an extra blade of grass in multiplats while having no first party games for the next 2 years.

Gears Tactics at launch says hi, are you going to ignore that, and there will be MSFS coming soon also as they have stated that they are hard at work making it work on Xbox.

#stayignorant

Gears is already out on PC while it is a first party game and you are right it basically lol worthy, people can play it now, don't have your hopes high most of MS games will be 2022 or 2023.

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100%, unless some publishers favour (pay for) parity.

Just do the rather easy math. 30% extra power.

21% at best the whole 30% is pulled from your buns.

But there is always a lazy developer it happen even on xbox one which was 40% behind.

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@i_p_daily said:
@ProtossRushX said:
@warrior88 said:

Triangles per second

PS5 8.92 Billion Xbox x 7.3 Billion

Triangle culling

PS5 17.84 Billion Xbox x 14.6 Billion

Pixel Fillrate

PS5 142.72 Billion Xbox x 116.8 Billion

Texture Fillrate

PS5 321.12 Billion Xbox x 379.6 Billion

damn....niiiiiiice.....interesting....PS5 the better console eh?

Are you talking to yourself?

I doubt he has any friends, so most likely, yes.

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@warrior88: Where did you get this info? The only place I've seen it is in a speculative thread by a user on neogaf.

Neither Sony or MS have released those kinds of numbers

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#50 tormentos
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@navyguy21 said:

@warrior88: Where did you get this info? The only place I've seen it is in a speculative thread by a user on neogaf.

Neither Sony or MS have released those kinds of numbers

Aren't you a PC know it all guy?

You do know some process scale with speed rather than with more CU?

Pixel fillrate is one of them, cache bandwidth if i am not mistaken alpha effects as well, i think particles, and rasterization as well.