Another dev speaks out with negative criticism of the X1X, citing the poor CPU.

@pinkanimal: not what Microsoft said, and I'll take their version over others since they were the ones that had to pay for it and take on all the backlash from gamers

Just to highlight a quote for a certain idiot in this thread

As for the comparisons between the PC and Xbox One X, he said: "If you think about it, it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1070 maybe and the Xbox One X actually has 12GB of GDDR5 memory. It's kind of like having a pretty high-end PC minus a lot of overhead due to the operating system on PC. So I would say it's equivalent to a 16GB 1070 PC, and that's a pretty good deal for $499".

'Kind of' and 'maybe' are not the same as 'is'

Ronvalencia is the master of misinformation and misinterpretation,is simply outstanding the hoops he will jump to try to defend his shitty arguments and deny been wrong.

@scatteh316: Yup, but he'll still say "my engrish is fine cow dung".

Dev didn't state "it's kind of equivalent to a GTX 1060".

Everybody knows X1X doesn't have actual GTX 1070. Dev was referring to GPU performance range.

Try again tormented. The only misinformation comes from you.

The outsource team is not meeting milestones. It's out sourcing 101.

http://www.xboxuncut.com/articles-1/2017/1/17/the-curious-case-of-scalebound-and-is-microsoft-really-in-trouble

The gameplay footage itself was noted for the clear performance issues it was having, not too surprising as the game had only been announced one year earlier but it didn't instill a huge amount of confidence

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/scalebound-is-no-longer-in-development-cancelled-by-microsoft/

Scalebound also appeared to be having some performance issues on Xbox One.

The only ignorance comes from you.

Oh so you don't have proof then only speculation based on you being a dumbass and failing at reasoning. The game having performance issues doesn't discard that there was management problems. In fact the issues could have arose due to pressures from bad management. So again you arrive to a wrongful conclusion because you fail at reading and logic wrongvalencia.

@pinkanimal said:

@tormentos said:

@kingtito said:

Once again that's an opinion. You could say it has higher scoring games in reviews but then reviews are opinions. Do you seriously not know what facts are? I'm thinking not.

More =/= better and THAT is what cows have maintained ALL last gen.

Yeah Opinions MS and Sony use on their ads because they are a weight,the same opinions who make Halo gears and Forza greats games over other less scoring games hypocrite.

Don't make me quote you defending this site Opinion over Metacritic opinion because it served you best on Forza 5 review thread.

Scores is what the industry use to determine quality deal with it.

@kingtito said:

You're the one that responded with this shit. I plainly said in my 1st post the hardware is above and beyond the Pro and don't bother bringing up games because which library is better is entirely subjective.

Is 43% more powerful hypocrite when it was the PS4 having 40% advantage you claim it was minimal now is abode and beyond the Pro because it is the xbox one...lol

Hahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...

Subjective...hahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

The PS4 has more and higher scoring game is not subjective is a FACT,you can't claim Forza is better than DriveClub without scores backing you up,so stop your bullshit and hypocrisy scores is what determine how good or bad a line up is,this year the xbox one has been totally abysmal,there has been only 1 game on xbox one not on PS4 with 90 or better score FH3,the xbox 360 by comparison by 2007 its second year it had like 8 or 9 games not on PS3 with 90 or better score.

Which is why the xbox 360 was consider superior back them.

Without scores Halo is no better than killzone and any argument you make is subjective because it would be based on your opinion vs mine,not over a industry standard,so yeah the PS4 is factually a better console game wise than the xbox one,more and higher rated games do prove it.

The only reason you stopped riding score is because the xbox one sucked so much,but on 2013 you were defending this site giving Forza 5 a 9 score over Metacritic which actually had the game with 79 because most of the industry didn't think F5 was a 9.

@kingtito said:

That's such BS. The 360 had more games, more higher scoring games and just as much diversity. It wasn't just Gear, Forza and Halo though they were MSs biggest hitters.

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/anyone-else-happy-tomb-raider-flopped-in-sales-32829895/?page=14

Time to hide on reading comprehension again hypocrite like you always do when i own you ass...hahahahaaaa

I don't see you using the word subjective there to claim the 360 had more games and higher scoring games..

You got that hypocrite good.

Hahaha el tormenteds alt praising his post. His rambling which prove once again he doesn't understand what he reads. He literally proved nothing except you're most likely his alt.

Opinions are used as marketing material you moron. That doesn't negate the fact they're still opinions and not fact. The librarys are still %100 subjective and based on each individuals taste in games. It's not difficult to understand...unless you're a brain dead cow super fanboy which you are.

Does quoting me somehow negate the fact that they're still opinions? How would that change what I'm saying now? It doesn't but that doesn't stop you from looking like an idiot.

Wrong el tormented, I claimed the graphics in games were minimal not the power difference but even still it was YOU cows that claimed the difference is HUGGEEEE. I'm using YOUR logic against you because all of a sudden power doesn't matter and the difference is small. I never cared about console power because PC is where all the power is. YOU on the other hand have no choice. You don't have a gaming PC, PS4 or X1 and you don't even game yet console power is all you cared about.....until the X1X was announced. HAhaha sucks to be you

The actual score is an opinion and I've already covered that. Seriously, if you're going to have a conversation on the internet at least understand what you're reading and respond accordingly.

Really? THe 360 was considered superior? NOt according to you. You fought tooth & nail saying the PS3's library was superior, hardware superior and online was superior. You don't have to lie to kick it El tormented BUT you do have to understand what you're reading.

There you go dumpster diving for old post and once again you have no idea the context of the conversation nor did you actually understand it. You must really lead a sad life. It's beyond pathetic, it really is.

Dude you even argue Scorpio exceeded a 1080gtx,i know i have my sony loving moments but damn dude you simply were deluded.

The statement you missed in my Vega NCU enabled Scorpio statement is the world enabled which is conditional. When a feature enabled for device X, then following items follows it.

I quote myself

Vega NCU enabled Scorpio could gimp current PC GPUs without double rate FP16 feature.

I made sure there's a situation when X1X doesn't have Vega NCU enabled, hence disabled Vega NCU .

Regardless of missing Vega NCU, Polaris/Fury/Tonga has pack math FP16 (double subword FP16) feature without Vega's "rapid pack math" (double rate FP16) while GTX 1080 (GP104) still has zero hardware support. You can't handle middle ground improvements.

On feature vs feature, Polaris/Fury/Tonga has a better Shader Model 6 support when compared to GP104.

MS traded Polaris/Fury/Tonga double subword FP16 over Vega's double rate FP16 and selected Vega's non-NCU improvements which includes X1X's 60 graphics pipeline improvements.

Sony traded Polaris/Fury/Tonga double subword FP16 for Vega's double rate FP16 and selected Polaris non-NCU improvements.

Vega includes substantial boost for existing 3D game engines AND "fine wine" future looking features.

Both MS and Sony selected different parts from Vega IP and only one game console has substantial boost for existing 3D game engines.

http://www.dsogaming.com/news/scalebound-is-no-longer-in-development-cancelled-by-microsoft/

Scalebound also appeared to be having some performance issues on Xbox One.

http://www.xboxuncut.com/articles-1/2017/1/17/the-curious-case-of-scalebound-and-is-microsoft-really-in-trouble

The gameplay footage itself was noted for the clear performance issues it was having, not too surprising as the game had only been announced one year earlier but it didn't instill a huge amount of confidence

They shown a bloody video with performance issues.

The only ignorance comes from you.

@ronvalencia: lol you dumbass. I told you performance issues are not proof for anything and you post more performance issues. You truly are a pathetic clown.

The only dumbass is your post. PG is missing project milestones and MS is not paying missed milestones. This is what I did to my out-sourced house builder i.e. I told house builder to straighten the brick before I continue payments. This is out-source management 101.

You truly are a pathetic cow dung.

PG has problems with Scalebound's performance and there a video of it. If it's like another open world UE4 ARC Survival XBO performance, it's no wonder it got canned.

Where's your "MS was changing project milestones to unrealistic expectations" proof for Scalebound? PG is not like Fable Legends' Lionhead Studios which is created by internal MS studio.

Fable Legends(UE4)'s multiplayer goals was similar to Sea of Thieves (UE4) , Crackdown 3 (UE4), Gears of War 4 (UE4), State of Decay 2 (UE4) and Forza Horizon 3 (ForzaTech) and Halo 5G. Even Killer Instinct has multiplayer feature.

Other non-MS programmer teams has multiplayer modes e.g. Ubisoft's Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon® Wildlands (Anvil engine).

@ronvalencia: proof that Sony and Nintendodo crossplay failbot? or are you wrong again?

One thing non-speculative here is that you're wrong BTW

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/5-years-ago-ms-didnt-allowed-cross-play-with-sony--33402344/?page=3

Cuáles plataformas tontobot? Eres muy estúpido, eso no es prueba

Hahahahahaha...

Game on development has performance problems... Extra extra...

What fu**ing game on developemt doesn't have performance problems ronvalencia? This is a completely moronic excuse to justify canceling a game,performance issues are always there in all games in fact many come out and they have to be FIX latter one,so tell me why wasn't the Witcher 3 cancel? Performance wise it sucked on both xbox one and even more PS4.?

MS stopped paying PG,reality is MS is a shitty partner who has stop paying many developers,the ones that were making Phantom Dust complain that MS wanted an online only game,then pushed for the game to have a single player experience but did not wanted to increase budget that is freaking sad,is like we make a deal so you can wash my car for 20 dollars,then without any previous notice and without further paying you more i want you to also wash my motorcycle and my kids byke...

Hanging under performance issue to cancel the game is a joke what game on development doesn't have performance issues..lol

@tormentos: Indeed, he's not very bright the poor bot.

Not meeting project milestones attracts non-payment. This is out-source 101. If MS steps beyond the legal bounds, PG should commence legal action against MS.

When dealing with large companies, the contract needs to be rock solid with set limitations which states any changes incurs additional cost to that effect.

Witcher 3 XBO results are better than ARC Survival XBO. You didn't match Scalebound's 3D game engine with another example with the same 3D engine stupid cow dung.

Try again.

@ronvalencia: "Not meeting project milestones attracts non-payment."

Being a shitty manager makes your project not reach milestones. Common sense and logic 101.

Not meeting project milestones attracts non-payment. If MS steps beyond the legal bounds, PG should commence legal action against MS. You cowabungas are cowards.

When dealing with large companies, the contract needs to be rock solid with set limitations which states any changes incurs additional cost to that effect. This is out-source 101.

@ronvalencia: "Not meeting management quality standards destroys milestones. If PG steps beyond the legal bounds, MS should commence legal action against PG."

I fixed that for you. You're not smart wrongvalencia, stop trying to argue with adults. Intelligence, common sense and logic 101.

You're not an adult. PG needs a good lawyer to write their contracts. If MS steps beyond the legal bounds, PG should commence legal action against MS.

Keep Cowabanging with ponies.

@ronvalencia: Don't waste your time with him... he's obviously a teenager or younger. Hopefully mummy kicks him off the computer soon and sends him to bed.

I'm definitely more adult than you, I am able to use reason and logic. Your arguments on the other hand rely on repetition and spam which are kids favorite methodology.

And the same you say applies to the other case, if PG steps its legal bounds MS could have started a legal action. They didn't so, by your own dumbass logic, they didn't do anything wrong.

Your reason and logic should reflect the real business world. Again, if MS steps beyond the legal bounds, PG should commence legal action against MS.

I have stop staged payments during a house building to force the out-sourced builder to rectify the brick work craftsmanship issues. This is out source 101. I'm not running US DOD with cost overrun F-35. You're not an adult.

PG hasn't done UE4 open world project before Scalebound. ReCore was done by 3rd party dev teams (Comcept, Armature Studio, Asobo Studio) with Unity3D game engine and was 4K remastered with additional art assets and gameplay changes. ReCore was crashing on XBO and game was shipped. ReCore definitive edition is the second attempt for the out source team.

@pinkanimal: Jeez you're stupid dude. Ron is owning you up one side and down the other, but yet you just keep on posting.

You have no idea what you're talking about. You've wondered too far out into deep water, and now you're drowning. PG missed several milestones. They were taking MS's money, but weren't making progress. The whole time they were doing this, the whole team was taking an extended month long vacation. Resources were likely being allocated to other games while MS paid for it. PG screwed the pooch plain and simple, but you're hate for MS requires that you stick your fingers in your ears and yell "It's MS's fault!".

What an idiot.

You own a Switch, yet you say the PS4 Pro specs sucks? LMAO

Switch is a handheld device hence it has it's own value that the desktop game consoles doesn't match.

http://www.dualshockers.com/scalebound-phil-spencer-explains-canceled-hopes-hideki-kamiya/

The reason for Scalebound's cancellation was due to the current game build didn't meet gamer's expectation.

However since the announcement was too early, it created pressure, influenced development, and raised the hurdles on the way to the goal. As a result, this created a situation in which both companies were in doubt on whether the game could offer what the fans wanted. Due to that, it was decided to discontinue Scalebound‘s development.

Scalebound has unresolved performance problems.

Try again cowabanger.

According EA DICE, PC's DirectX12 has higher complexity when compared to XBO's API.

PC gaming needs AMD (Gaming Evolved) and NVIDIA (Gameworks) intervention with GPU vendor development programs.

@ronvalencia: "Your reason and logic should reflect the real business world"

You're a moron, management is part of the business world kid. I can't imagine you're so dumb not to know that

@ronvalencia said:

@pinkanimal said:

@endofaugust said:

@appariti0n said:

@endofaugust: Cool, so explain why there are so many ports that perform piss poorly on PC then? It's clearly more than just "more things are turned on".

Why is the PC often the last platform to get multi-plat games?

Because PC's largely have to exert brute force and use their excess compute to overcome the realities and pitfalls of general optimization.

It's the most difficult to configure because you have to account for and test for nearly limitless hardware configurations.

And what makes you think developers will spend time and resources optimizing more for X1X than for a particular PC configuration? The X1X has right now 0 install base and it apparently won't sell a lot considering the price and the lack of appealing games so developers will probably focus more time on machines with a wider audience.

According EA DICE, PC's DirectX12 has higher complexity when compared to XBO's API.

PC gaming needs AMD (Gaming Evolved) and NVIDIA (Gameworks) intervention with GPU vendor development programs.

My charts are more accurate than your Spambot.

Only stupid lems like you still believe in Phil "Uncompromised True4K" Spencer. The fact that you believe what he says, tells me even more that you're a clueless moron.

@babyjoker1221: "PG missed several milestones."

And the reasons are that MS management sucks and kept changing goals to unrealistic expectations. I know you lemmings think MS is Mother Theresa but they have a track record of being a shitty manager while PG has a track record of meting milestones with every other company they have worked with without so many problems. So suck it up lemming and accept your corporate girlfriend sucks at management. That's why you lemmings get such a shitty lineup of games you defending corporate suits and attacking developers, shittiest fanboys ever.

OH look Phill Spencer the guy who claim the xbox one would never be sold without Kinect.

The guy who claimed that Scorpio had a different GPU and CPU to the Pro...

Man stop your buffoonery what you are quoting there is call PR,is not the first time MS try to wash its face on something like this.

A CNET writer by the name of ADAM BOLTON says that he knows "a guy immediately involved with Kamiya and Scalebound". He went on to explain that what he heard made him "sick to his stomach", as it's "Microsoft's shady handling of Platinum that is responsible for this."

Several other industry members including Polygon's Michael MCWHERTOR shared similar reports.

Many have been quick to say that it's PlatinumGames' fault for not meeting expectations with the project. Bolton's source says otherwise.

He added that "milestones were made to be unachievable by Microsoft, thanks to some shady contract work". He even said that Microsoft was "withholding pay".

http://www.gamerevolution.com/news/13404-scalebound-made-unachievable-by-microsoft-shady-contract-work-say-sources#v17q5Bc0SLXcT3Ed.99

Microsoft's unreasonable demands caused Phantom Dust dev's demise

However, it's not just the game that's dead in the water -- by all accounts, the studio is, too. And, according to a report from Kotaku, Phantom Dust publisher Microsoft is to blame. After the relationship between Microsoft and Darkside Games dissolved in February, five sources spoke anonymously to recount how everything went down.

Phantom Dust was originally envisioned by both Microsoft and Darkside as a multiplayer-only version of the game -- something designed to simultaneously capture the Hearthstone and League of Legends audiences. Both sides agreed that $5 million should be adequate funding for that undertaking.

But, within a week of the deal, Microsoft came back and said that players would want a singleplayer component. Despite the request for additional development -- a task that would require more employees and more time -- Microsoft offered no additional funding.

That initial request would become a recurring theme. Kotaku's sources say that on a near-monthly basis, Microsoft would ask for more and more features to be included while sticking to the $5 million budget. Darkside reportedly rebutted by insisting time and time again that it couldn't meet these demands.

https://www.destructoid.com/microsoft-s-unreasonable-demands-caused-phantom-dust-dev-s-demise-290409.phtml

https://aotf.com/articles/scalebounds-cancellation-reveals-a-disturbing-trend-for-xbox/

Don't refute my links with MS shitty PR,Phil Spencer is the head of the xbox one he is MS face on the xbox brand and his job is to make PR and damage control situations such as this,just like he claim that the XBO would not come without Kinect because it was an integral part when rumors started to fly about a kinectless sku coming in summer 2014,which did happen as it was leak and Phil was damage controlling it,or claiming Scorpio would have something different to the pro when in reality it is the same.

So yeah I am right you are not and Phil Spencer is a liar.

Exactly, MS is a shitty company to work with, several developers have said it before. Good thing PG managed to stay afloat thanks to Nier otherwise MS crap management will have destroyed another great developer with the help of dumbasses like wrongvalencia who's only function is to shill for their corporate suits.

The CPU bottleneck isn't such a big deal. PS4 has a weaker CPU than PS3, yet it's obvious PS4 is far more powerful than PS3. Nowadays, it's the GPU that matters most. That's not to say the CPU doesn't matter at all, but its impact on performance isn't anywhere near as big as it used to be, since most of the stuff the CPU used to do is offloaded to the GPU nowadays.

Darkside's contract with MS wasn't solid enough which doesn't contain scope limits. Darkside's contract seems to be open ended contract which is flawed.

If Darkside's contract includes scope limit and if MS breaks their side of the contract by forcing additional changes, then Darkside has legal ground to commence legal action. Too bad for Darkside, thier contract has flaws and didn't include trigger landmines.

As for X1X's CPU.

It's not a simple overclock Jaguar.

http://gamingbolt.com/xbox-one-xs-full-potential-wont-be-held-back-by-slightly-weaker-cpu-says-observer-dev

Basaj responded that, “The Xbox One X is closer in specs to the PC gaming rigs right now, which will always benefit developers releasing their games on multiple platforms. As long as the GPU is solid a lot of calculating can be moved from the CPU to the video card, so it shouldn’t be a huge problems for developers to fully realize the potential of the new console.”

XBO's APIs has lower CPU overheads when compared to PC's DirectX12. AMD's PC DirectX 12 and Vulkan API CPU overheads are similar.

Wrong. There's a reason for solid contracts with scope limits and builtin trigger landmines.

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-08-14-why-sony-cancelled-ps4-exclusive-gnomageddon

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-09-15-playstation-announces-job-losses-at-sony-london-san-diego-studios

You're a hypocrite pony.

@ronvalencia: "builtin trigger landmines"

This is not war wrongvalencia, the only thing you're triggering here is your further spiraling towards pure stupidity. Solid contracts , whatever that means in your 5 year-old level of english, involves more than 1 side including the management side which can also break or not meet their contract responsibilities. I know that since your mind works on the level of a 5 year old this seems like rocket science to you but that's how the adults world works.

You don't know shit about real business and dealing with large companies. "Only the paranoid survive" - Intel's Andy Grove.

The xbone x is gonna flop hard LOLOOOOLLLLL

You can't even deal with copy-pasting presentations like a normal human being. Trust me, I know more than you on pretty much every area of knowledge. Your brain is definitely not fully developed yet and probably still in prepubescent state. You can keep thinking that japanese dwindling population is a result of porn like you said in another thread though, how many neurons did you manage to connect to reach that conclusion 2? 3?

Your trust is the same level as cow dung. You haven't proven "I know more than you on pretty much every area of knowledge."

My "You can keep thinking that japanese dwindling population is a result of porn" statement is making fun of the Japanese's anime girls industry.

You dumbass, I'm repeating what you said. Your ignorance extends to all areas. You're a stupid person through and through. What would you know about business? You're an ignorant.