AMD suing Ex employee's over X720 and PS4 info leak.

[QUOTE="TwistedShade"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

AMD A10 is what i have on my work PC and is not even as capable as xbox 360 GPU, it is terrible

If PS4 has that GPU will not even beat WiiU graphics

So, you can forget that rumor

If xbox 720 has indeed a 8900 and PS4 a A10, then there will no more graphics wars, since A10 is 100 times weaker than the coming 8900

loosingENDS

Then xbox 360 should not have Xenos, because Xenos was much better than the top end 2005 GPU

2005 era GPUs didn't have +200 watt flagship GPU.

Xbox 360 got the best GPU for ~90 watts with gimped 128bit wired PCB and you don't have unified shader design shift for the next round.

[QUOTE="clr84651"]

Sony's PS4 will use the AMD A10 with built in GPU, a 4x Bluray drive, and 8-16GB of RAM. This is what's been rumored by VG247 and others.

loosingENDS

AMD A10 is what i have on my work PC and is not even as capable as xbox 360 GPU, it is terrible

If PS4 has that GPU will not even beat WiiU graphics

So, you can forget that rumor

If xbox 720 has indeed a 8900 and PS4 a A10, then there will no more graphics wars, since A10 is 100 times weaker than the coming 8900

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Crysis 2 is just asking the hardware to run more real time effects. It should follow Halo 4's example by dumping real time SSOA or any other real time effects. ronvalencia

Crytek just loaded on everything they could think of with no regard for what it actually looked like or ran like. It's just a poorly coded nasty benchmark.

Real time effects aren't the only reason why it's crap, it's Crytek.

Crytek should follow Killzone 2's example i.e. dumped real time GI and HDR.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

Crytek just loaded on everything they could think of with no regard for what it actually looked like or ran like. It's just a poorly coded nasty benchmark.

Real time effects aren't the only reason why it's crap, it's Crytek.

tormentos

Crytek should follow Killzone 2's example i.e. dumped real time GI and HDR.

It's not GI. Killzone 2 has a mix of dynamic lighting with pre-bake sun lighting (artwork focus). Guerrilla was carefull to not overload the hardware.

Crytek has a different focus i.e. attempted to have ~100 percent real time effects.

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"] AMD Jaguar has 128bit SIMD units.ronvalencia

Anyone with google access can find out that AMD Bobcat has 64bit SIMD units, which is similar to AMD K7 Athlons and Intel Pentium IV/Core1.

In relation to SIMD unit's development path, AMD Bobcat to AMD Jaguar follows Intel Pentium IV/Core1 to Intel Core 2.

All your posts fail to correlate the random facts you spout out with relevant points. Its nice you can look these things up for everyone but you need to take some technical writing courses so if you actually had a meaningful point you'd be able to communicate it with the rest of us. In fact the only recent post I've seen you with an explanation is when you were comparing features of the wii u's gpu with I think a 6670 based on die sized. Only you failed to realize the 32mb of EDRAM on the wii u completely invalidated that method of comparison.

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="TwistedShade"]

Then xbox 360 should not have Xenos, because Xenos was much better than the top end 2005 GPU

04dcarraher

But in reality was vastly better than the 600$ 7800GTX, which was the top 2005 card

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5VsEuWCBaM The A10 is more capable than your 360.. And the A10 is the CPU inside the PS4 early devkit what you are don't actually know or ignore is that the PS4 also have a 8000 series GPU inside,also the model of the 8000 on the 720 isn't confirmed either and all point at both having 8000 series that are equivalent to the 7000 series.. In fact what is heavily rumored now is that the gpu on the 720 is an 1.2TF gpu while the PS4 one is a 1.7TF and that the 720 one has 12 CU and the PS4 one has 18 CU,there is also a rumor than the cores on the PS4 CPU are steamroller and not jaguar.tormentos

Do you even have a link for those "heavy" rumors ? Because i dont see how they can have exact measures for their power

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="savagetwinkie"] how is that helpful to any one?savagetwinkie

Anyone with google access can find out that AMD Bobcat has 64bit SIMD units, which is similar to AMD K7 Athlons and Intel Pentium IV/Core1.

In relation to SIMD unit's development path, AMD Bobcat to AMD Jaguar follows Intel Pentium IV/Core1 to Intel Core 2.

All your posts fail to correlate the random facts you spout out with relevant points. Its nice you can look these things up for everyone but you need to take some technical writing courses so if you actually had a meaningful point you'd be able to communicate it with the rest of us. In fact the only recent post I've seen you with an explanation is when you were comparing features of the wii u's gpu with I think a 6670 based on die sized. Only you failed to realize the 32mb of EDRAM on the wii u completely invalidated that method of comparison.

But in reality was vastly better than the 600$ 7800GTX, which was the top 2005 card

loosingENDS

Lol, no it wasnt "vastly better"its all in your head. 2005-2007 7800GTX owned the Xenos in multiple aspects

The Xenos only owned the 7800 with shader heavy based games.

Xenos 240 GFLOPS

7800GTX ~200 GFLOPS

Xenos less then 512mb of memory tends to on average use 256mb

7800GTX full 512mb avaible

Xenos memory bandwidth 22 GB/s

7800GTX 54 GB/s

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

Crytek should follow Killzone 2's example i.e. dumped real time GI and HDR.

ronvalencia

It's not GI. Killzone 2 has a mix of dynamic lighting with pre-bake sun lighting (artwork focus). Guerrilla was carefull to not overload the hardware.

Crytek has a different focus i.e. attempted to have ~100 percent real time effects.

Do you even have a link for those "heavy" rumors ? Because i dont see how they can have exact measures for their powerloosingENDS

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

[QUOTE="tormentos"] Killzone 2 has dynamic lighting as well..tormentos

It's not GI. Killzone 2 has a mix of dynamic lighting with pre-bake sun lighting (artwork focus). Guerrilla was carefull to not overload the hardware.

Crytek has a different focus i.e. attempted to have ~100 percent real time effects.

They just need to combine and make a Super Console then everyone will be happy.

[QUOTE="tormentos"][QUOTE="ronvalencia"]

It's not GI. Killzone 2 has a mix of dynamic lighting with pre-bake sun lighting (artwork focus). Guerrilla was carefull to not overload the hardware.

Crytek has a different focus i.e. attempted to have ~100 percent real time effects.

04dcarraher

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

But in reality was vastly better than the 600$ 7800GTX, which was the top 2005 card

04dcarraher

Lol, no it wasnt "vastly better"its all in your head. 2005-2007 7800GTX owned the Xenos in multiple aspects

The Xenos only owned the 7800 with shader heavy based games.

Xenos 240 GFLOPS

7800GTX ~200 GFLOPS

Xenos less then 512mb of memory tends to on average use 256mb

7800GTX full 512mb avaible

Xenos memory bandwidth 22 GB/s

7800GTX 54 GB/s

And that is the problem, in real world these 7800 specs mean absolutly nothing

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

But in reality was vastly better than the 600$ 7800GTX, which was the top 2005 card

loosingENDS

Lol, no it wasnt "vastly better"its all in your head. 2005-2007 7800GTX owned the Xenos in multiple aspects

The Xenos only owned the 7800 with shader heavy based games.

Xenos 240 GFLOPS

7800GTX ~200 GFLOPS

Xenos less then 512mb of memory tends to on average use 256mb

7800GTX full 512mb avaible

Xenos memory bandwidth 22 GB/s

7800GTX 54 GB/s

And that is the problem, in real world these 7800 specs mean absolutly nothing

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="tormentos"] Pre-baked shadows,the light is actually dynamic..tormentos

http://www.guerrilla-games.com/publications/dr_kz2_rsx_dev07.pdf

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

Lol, no it wasnt "vastly better"its all in your head. 2005-2007 7800GTX owned the Xenos in multiple aspects

The Xenos only owned the 7800 with shader heavy based games.

Xenos 240 GFLOPS

7800GTX ~200 GFLOPS

Xenos less then 512mb of memory tends to on average use 256mb

7800GTX full 512mb avaible

Xenos memory bandwidth 22 GB/s

7800GTX 54 GB/s

04dcarraher

And that is the problem, in real world these 7800 specs mean absolutly nothing

[QUOTE="tormentos"]On the 720 case it has been rumored to have something else to aid the GPU probably with lighting and stuff like that. If it is true then MS did took a page from what sony did with Cell and how they were able to beat a more powerful GPU visually just by having a CPU that could help.superclocked

eDRAM's 192 floating point processors are part of GPU's fix function units e.g. for color, alpha compositing, Z/stencil buffering, and anti-aliasing.

Any modern GPU includes fix function math units. Without GPU's fix function math units, the GPU would be reduced to multi-core SPE/DSP type solution.

I am really liking the PS4 rumors especially the super super fast RAM.

Also it seems like Sony is making the easy to develop for console this time and MS is trying to be the exotic one. Luckily for MS they have been known to have excellent dev tools, so it shouldn't be a problem.

I'm leaning toward the PS4 right now. Can't wait for E3!

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

And that is the problem, in real world these 7800 specs mean absolutly nothing

ronvalencia

Dont try to reason with PC fanboys, paying 2000$ for a PC that will only last 3 years always gets you

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"][QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

And that is the problem, in real world these 7800 specs mean absolutly nothing

ronvalencia

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Lol, the 7800GTX owned the 360 in all multiplats until it was phased out. loosingENDS

Dont try to reason with PC fanboys, paying 2000$ for a PC that will only last 3 years always gets you

Yeah the consoles will be better than a 7800gtx because that is a DX9 card without the unified shader pipeline, so it got left in the past, and support dropped for it so it won't run games very well anymore.

In reality a mid-high range card from 2006-2007 will still match or outperform a console today. A 8800gt or radeon 3850 will have no issue running Crysis 2 at higher settings than a console

With the next consoles we aren't going to see anything like the what happened compared to a 7800gtx. The only reason the 360 did that is because it was a unified shader pipeline card, and those hadn't been released for PC yet. There isn't going to be any sort of massive architectural shift like that with the next consoles, it will be still be unified shader, just like all the PC hardware that exists at the time.

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"][QUOTE="04dcarraher"] Lol, the 7800GTX owned the 360 in all multiplats until it was phased out. loosingENDS

Dont try to reason with PC fanboys, paying 2000$ for a PC that will only last 3 years always gets you

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Crysis 2 @800x600p on 7800 GTX = 12 fps....ferret-gamer

Dont try to reason with PC fanboys, paying 2000$ for a PC that will only last 3 years always gets you

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] Crysis 2 @800x600p on 7800 GTX = 12 fps....04dcarraher

Dont try to reason with PC fanboys, paying 2000$ for a PC that will only last 3 years always gets you

Of course, Crysis 2 is not designed for garbage 600$ 2005 hardware like 7800GTX, was designed for next gen GPUs like Xenos that also only had a 100$ cost

Like 2020 games will not be designed for crappy PC GPUs used today, but for the next gen parts in 720/PS4

So the PS4 might actually be more powerful than the Next Xbox?.ShadowDeathX

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Dont try to reason with PC fanboys, paying 2000$ for a PC that will only last 3 years always gets you

loosingENDS

Of course, Crysis 2 is not designed for garbage 600$ 2005 hardware like 7800GTX, was designed for next gen GPUs like Xenos that also only had a 100$ cost

Like 2020 games will not be designed for crappy PC GPUs used today, but for the next gen parts in 720/PS4

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

Dont try to reason with PC fanboys, paying 2000$ for a PC that will only last 3 years always gets you

loosingENDS

Of course, Crysis 2 is not designed for garbage 600$ 2005 hardware like 7800GTX, was designed for next gen GPUs like Xenos that also only had a 100$ cost

Like 2020 games will not be designed for crappy PC GPUs used today, but for the next gen parts in 720/PS4

[QUOTE="loosingENDS"]

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"] :roll: like you any real clue :lol: key word phased out, Crysis 2 is very heavily shader based and is not designed for pre unified shader architecture based gpu's hence needing a geforce 8 , or ati equivalent. But even same era of gpu's from ATI performs as well as the 360.

ronvalencia

Of course, Crysis 2 is not designed for garbage 600$ 2005 hardware like 7800GTX, was designed for next gen GPUs like Xenos that also only had a 100$ cost

Like 2020 games will not be designed for crappy PC GPUs used today, but for the next gen parts in 720/PS4

This is why you don't listen to those lying hermits. Build a PC now, and then have trouble running next-generation console ports. If you gonna pay that much for a legacy desktop PC in this Post-PC era, you might as well wait until new consoles come out.

This is why you don't listen to those lying hermits. Build a PC now, and then have trouble running next-generation console ports. If you gonna pay that much for a legacy desktop PC in this Post-PC era, you might as well wait until new consoles come out.

Mr_BillGates

[QUOTE="Mr_BillGates"]

This is why you don't listen to those lying hermits. Build a PC now, and then have trouble running next-generation console ports. If you gonna pay that much for a legacy desktop PC in this Post-PC era, you might as well wait until new consoles come out.

redneckdouglas

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

The Cell can render graphics while that 8 core CPU cannot so they are nothing alike. General purpose cores and SPE's are not the same thing.

04dcarraher

They're not putting in an 8 core CPU just to throw everything on the GPU.

They will use it at least partially for graphics, as they do with the cell.

Like I said, they didn't put 8 cores in to not use them.

They'll use them for graphics somehow, if only for MLAA.

[QUOTE="ZombieKiller7"]

[QUOTE="Gue1"]

The Cell can render graphics while that 8 core CPU cannot so they are nothing alike. General purpose cores and SPE's are not the same thing.

Timstuff

They're not putting in an 8 core CPU just to throw everything on the GPU.

They will use it at least partially for graphics, as they do with the cell.

The PC will remain the best platform to develop for in terms of ease and power, however I think Microsoft is making a blunder going with slower clock speeds and more cores. Sony already took that approach with the PS3, and look at where that got them. If anything, it will be very entertaining to see what unfolds from another console generation with such polarized development processes.

Pretty much.

Next gen will be very interesting to watch.

I think MS is the most competent tech company in the world, if anybody can pull it off it's them.

[QUOTE="Chozofication"]

[QUOTE="ronvalencia"] With Crysis 2, Xbox 360's console optimization didn't pass Radeon X1950 Pro.ronvalencia

Probably because Crytek couldn't optimize a grocery bag.

Unlike KZ2, atleast Crysis 2 has HDR + GI. Halo 4 doesn't have real time SSOA LOL.

"Console optimization" is not magic.

No it's not magic but it does require the developer to be competent and actually put in effort to optimize the software for the hardware.

Crytek fails.

This is why you don't listen to those lying hermits. Build a PC now, and then have trouble running next-generation console ports. If you gonna pay that much for a legacy desktop PC in this Post-PC era, you might as well wait until new consoles come out.

Mr_BillGates

2 GPUS doesn not work that well would be better to have 1 powerful gpu and 1 powerful cpu.

osirisx3

[QUOTE="osirisx3"]

2 GPUS doesn not work that well would be better to have 1 powerful gpu and 1 powerful cpu.

GioVela2010

so someone tell me is that graphics card better then high end computers have now or only on par?

so someone tell me is that graphics card better then high end computers have now or only on par?

akdiuuuryttt

so based on those specs, which one will have the better graphics?Mystery_Writer