AMD GPUs Flop Again

On to RDNA4 I guess…

I want an rx6750xt. Current gen cards are irrelevant.

thats some amazing improvement over the last gen. 7900xtx is a 355watt card using 5nm + 6nm tech MCD vs the 40 series 4nm and 650 watt. The 7900 cards also are compatible with older ATX2.0 power supplies, which is a major win. The Nvidia users are melting their ATX2.0 cables by using the adapters.

The 7900xtx is a massive improvement for AMD and its much cheaper to manufacture. This is a very important point for consoles.

And yet they all sold out, keep spinning away. So, so strange how people in the world would like another company to fail.

Cost less than the RTX 4080 by at least $200 and outperforms it in rasterization. Performs at 3090 levels in RT but sub 4080 but it failed. That is a confusing argument for failure.

Stop being a fucking troll.

It's a fail compared to the performance claims prior to the release. It's also a fail because the AMD crowd was telling us it would easily beat the 4080 in raster but it barely edges it out. Couple that with the fact that the 4080 is about 25% faster in ray tracing, has DLSS3, much better VR performance, significantly better power efficiency, and better drivers, and you can see why it kinda fails...and the 4080 is widely considered a horrible card for its price tag.

AMD didn't have to do much to make the 4080 look like a clown card but somehow, they managed to make it look better.

Sorry, I don't care about what fanboys said. That has never been a benchmark for anything. However, you are claiming that a card that does better than the 4080 in rasterization, performs at 3090 levels in RT is a failure and costs less is a failure? Seriously?

This shit reads like console fanboy drivel but its PC gamers.🤷🏽‍♂️

It fell short of the expectations claimed by AMD as well by quite a bit. It barely beats the 4080 in rasterization, gets demolished in RT, has RT performance on par with last gen flagship....for $1000, and is barely more power efficient than its predecessor. No DLSS3 alternative, atrocious VR performance, and multi-monitor bugs. Yes, it's a failure.

The gap in rasterization is negligible with the 7900 XTX winning by 3%. You'll get an identical experience most of the time in raster, not in RT though.

The 4080 is already awful for its price. It's not being compared favorably to an already lousy card.

I am sorry but your argument is irrational for claiming it is a failure. There is no meaningful room for an objective discussion because of the path you have taken.

My argument is perfectly logical. It fell short of the performance target and doesn't compare favorably to an overpriced product. You can play the contrarian all you like, the numbers are there.

To think people hype fake frames, a technology that makes the image way worse.

Contrarian? Do you know what failure means? You are passing off your personal feelings as facts. Claiming the card is a flop or a failure is objectively false. It is really that simple.

@Pedro: Falling short of performance targets by a wide margin is a failure.

I'm deeply concerned for AMD.

Performance targets made by AMD no less. And they fell well short…

It be funny if the RTX 4070 Ti ends up surpass a little from Radeon 7900 XTX and price it $800, would totally steal the spotlight but too damn bad Nvidia is greedy to think twice by pricing it right.

but anyway, it's clear AMD overhype their GPU once again and of course lied about being 50% performance increase and driver issues too. AMD definitely blew a chance to crush Nvidia this time around. They had the whole tech community cheering for the and instead, we are left picking between the lesser of two villains.

Whatever it is you are smoking, please stop -_-

they wont!

Well I'm enjoying mine so far 🤷‍♂️

@davillain: I need to smoke more mj. Just need to find a good supplier.

Also, everything I said was true. AMD hit a grand slam,they smash it out of the park, heck yeah!

The 4070ti won't surpass the 7090xtx in anything. The only thing it will win in is Ray Tracing. The 4080 barely matches the 7900xtx, and you expect the 4070ti to do what??

A little disappointed in the 7900 XTX

So I got a 4090

This has me excited for the PS5 pro.

@davillain: How on earth is $800 for a 70ti class GPU (in name only no less) “priced right”? Late 2017’s 1070ti had an MSRP of $400, and even the overpriced 3000 series’ 70ti class was $600. AMD’s offerings have been disappointing thus far in both performance and pricing but I for one won’t be rewarding either of the two evils with my money until they offer something reasonable. As it stands both companies are helping kill PC gaming in the long run with those price tags.

@Juub1990: the thing is, AMD is using older 5nm plus 6nm MCD design compared to the Nvidia 4nm designs. So the 7900xtx is comparable to the 4080 while using older tech and $200 less to start. This is impressive but also important for cost factor. It's possible that AMD has room to drop the price significantly. That is the most important thing to remember, and it's absolutely critical for console gamers that we have cheap GPUs.

Also, the ray Tracing thing is overblown. So you set 7090xtx to medium ray Tracing and set 4080 to high raytracing, then get the same frames 😶. So much for that gimmick, will you even be able to tell the difference between medium and high rt in game? The real question is how much you're willing to get shafted by scamvidia.

Let's hope intel brings some heat though, that's another important thing. They just need to stick with the arc and not abandon it like in the past.

Definitely a failure when you consider the actual price. It's not selling at MSRP and the AIB cards are pretty much selling at the same price as 4080, at least in Europe. Just because Nvidia priced 4080 at insane levels doesn't make AMD a better value.

I want a card with the power of a RTX4090 but not larger than a 7900XTX

nvidia claimed that 4090 will be 2-4x faster than 3090Ti. Was it? **** no.

BTW, do you not know what "up to" means?

200€ more expensive over here in EU. Most 4080s are in the 1350-1450€ range, while 7900XTXs are around 1600€.

@R4gn4r0k said:

I want a card with the power of a RTX4090 but not larger than a 7900XTX

Get a bigger PC case to solve this problem perhaps? Even my RTX 3070 Ti (MSI) can barely fit in my case lol.

@rmpumper said:

nvidia claimed that 4090 will be 2-4x faster than 3090Ti. Was it? **** no.

BTW, do you not know what "up to" means?

They had a little asterisk *with frame generation. NVIDIA were misleading. AMD just plain lied.

@pc_rocks: it's sold out my friend, out of stock.

Frame generation is actually very good tech. It helps immensely in CPU bottleneck situations like in The Witcher 3 with RT. The image quality is actually very good with minimal noticeable artifacts during gameplay.

I think the safest thing that can be said about all the new GPUs is that we all lost. Everyone Flopped. They are all rubbish. Their pricing is an absolute joke. The 4090 gets something of a pass as its a Halo product so it's sort of in on the joke. The 7900XTX Is on thin ice but it gets a bit of a chuckle too as its the complete die and is AMDs halo product. It's still rubbish value for money though of course...lets be clear. They both are. But nothing wrong with having a halo product.

But the 4080, the "4080" and the 7900XT (Which is really a 7800XT. Lets call a spade a spade) are a disgrace. Nothing short of a disgrace. If that's what 900-1200 bucks buys you with the new architectures then what's a 650-700 bucks RDNA3 and Ada GPU going to look like? They could be worse than the 6800XT and 3080 by the way things are looking.

The cards themselves from both camps are good. A substantial step from from their predecessors. But the pricing is hilarious.

Yeah, I was surprised by how solid it is. The latency goes from 56ms to 59ms in TW3, so pretty much the same but the smoothness increases dramatically.

@osan0: Yeah, you really nailed it with this take. Was kinda hoping to upgrade this gen but I'm not paying $600 for an XX60 or X650. Here's to hoping Intel makes some big leaps with Gen 2 ARC, and undercuts the competition.

But I can wait. Have a huge backlog of old games, and my (most popular gpu on Steam) 1650 is still chugging along.

Edit - Okay, on that note, what the hell was Nvidia thinking with the 3050? XX50s are supposed to be 75w to get all their power directly from the motherboard, and the 3050 is 130w. That's more than the 1660. For what, ray tracing? Who is going to try and use ray tracing on that? A 3060 can barely pull it off. They should have left the RT cores out and focused on rasterisation and energy efficiency. Enthusiasts would have scoffed, but XX50 isn't for them. It's a card for casuals and cheapskates, and it fails to deliver what that crowd wants. 1650 seems like it's the last of it's kind, and the 3050 will never match it's popularity.

More Arc will just be AIB. Personally, battle mage should aim for an improved 3080 at $400/$500.

I wanted a GPU that is no longer than 30cm. So in the end I ended up buying an asus RTX3080ti tuf.

It's a shame Nvidia refuses to sell founders editions in my country, they are some of the shortest GPUs around, but all is good: I don't need any new parts anyway.

Callisto Protocol is the new standard when it comes to highest fidelity graphics on the market and I can run that maxed out (no RT).

It's all a moot point to argue over so long as the prices remain so obscenely high, in my opinion.

You fanboys are arguing over a few percentage points for the privilege of being over a barrel by either corporation.

Really hoping Intel shakes things up. We need a company that can give us like 80% of the performance of their competitor but at 60% of the cost (or something along those lines).

I bought an A770 to experiment with, pretty good card actually. Drivers are constant at the moment and improving all the time.

AMD is fucking garbage and will always be garbage especially on their driver end. If you want a proper GPU the only answer is obviously nvidia. Every fucking gen they fail to make a mark in GPU land

I am still waiting for more patches for Callisto. Does it still suffer from elevated black levels?

The latest patches have fixed a lot of stuff such as stutters and DX12 is working now for use of RT. Sadly I didn't pay much attention to black levels but so far, everything seems good on my hardware end.

Sadly the gameplay is left to be desired and I would wait for a deep sale. I still ended up enjoying the game but in a guilty pleasure way. That being said, I'm far more excited for Dead Space Remake as everything I've seen so far looks promising compared to Callisto Protocol.

the GPU market sure is trash. I wanted to buy the RTX 4090 lol but its $2500 here.

then again I think it will be overkill for 3440x1440p as I don't want to get used to 120+ fps (due to going back to PS5)

Shame the RTX 4080 ended up being dog shit and costs $1700 here.

So, are you gonna create a new thread on 4070Ti, or not?

Right, it's nvidia, so it's ok that they claim up to 3x the performance of 3090Ti (without any disclaimers), while IRL it's barely beating the regular 3090 and is even losing to 3080 in a few cases.

Nvidia never lies.😏

7000 series and 4000 series are all dog shit value.

Might as well not exist.