Amazing how angry people are over being forced to use another launcher to play their games.

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#1 Posted by misrespect (84 posts) -

Good thing companies don't care about your pathetic first world problems. It's simple economics...devs need more money today than ever before and if you can't accept that Steam constantly rips them off then you're incredibly selfish. I'm so sorry the world doesn't revolve around your entitled mindset.

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#2 Posted by Coolyfett (5956 posts) -

????

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#3 Edited by madrocketeer (6234 posts) -

Again, a little outdated and not 100% objective, but the general gist is sound: Epic Store is currently extremely barebones and not ready for prime time, and will remain so for 6+ months. Add to that are legitimate privacy concerns, including possible European GDPR violation, and Epic have a lot to work on that should be of higher priority than nabbing exclusives.

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#4 Posted by XVision84 (15782 posts) -

It's not about using another launcher and the gaming industry is thriving at the moment. There's plenty of coverage on the topic if you're really curious why people don't like the epic games store.

Bait harder next time :P.

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#5 Edited by lundy86_4 (52618 posts) -

Do some research before you post stupid topics.

Edit: @madrocketeerdid a decent summation of the issues.

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#6 Edited by 04dcarraher (23171 posts) -

I have no problem with having multiple launchers.... However when you strong arm the market to get "time exclusives" to force users to use your "inferior" option. Is where I draw the line. Lets ignore the security issues for the time being.

Its one thing to promote your content on your store, its another to sweep and bribe 3rd party publishers to monopolize a segment of the market. If EPIC really wants to be competitive... offer better prices and extras while allowing the product to sold elsewhere ie STEAM. People dont understand that before EPIC started doing these shady buyouts Valve did adjust percentage cuts based on earnings . Going as low as 20% cut with 50 million made ie 1 million units at $50 which is not an issue with any AAA game unless its just awful. Another thing steam allows is publishers/devs to sell keys via 3rd party in which Steam/Valve do not get a cut from. While EPIC prohibits 3rd party sales until exclusivity ends...... EPIC in its current state is not competition to Steam..... GOG, and even Origin are competition since you can purchase the same 3rd party titles across them.

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#7 Posted by cainetao11 (36491 posts) -

Agreed. Its awesome that Epic PC store is a thing. It is the best answer to PC gaming idiots when they tell me, "Don't need an Xbox. Just get a PC"

Ok, just download another launcher and stop fvckin whining.

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#8 Posted by MonsieurX (38982 posts) -

Epic launcher is shit and they're simply buying their place

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#9 Edited by Jag85 (13335 posts) -

I don't see the big deal, honestly. It's not much different to having console exclusives. Nabbing exclusives is a good way of promoting a store or console.

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#10 Posted by NathanDrakeSwag (12720 posts) -

Hermits are getting what they deserve after all those years of begging for games.

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#11 Posted by robert_sparkes (2906 posts) -

I don't get it but I'm not a pc gamer. How long does it take to open a launcher a few seconds max.

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#12 Posted by lundy86_4 (52618 posts) -

@robert_sparkes: That isn't the issue at hand. Not that you could garner much from the idiotic topic.

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#13 Edited by mumunaro (151 posts) -

Its really astounding why so many still dont get why alot of people are against Epic anti-consumer practices.

Then i realised consumers like this OP simply don't have any self respect for themselves besides "OMG SHINY NEW STUFF GIMME GIMME TAKE MAH MONEH PLEASE!!!" and thats why we have rampant micro transactions and "games as services" crap in this industry right now. Thats why we have monsters like EA. Because of retards who bend over and desperately spread their buttcheeks as far as they can just so they could get their fix for a brand new gaming experience, regardless of quality.

"Hey it only takes a few seconds to just start another launcher!"

Yea getting nickled and dimed through lootboxes and microtransactions, and installing DAY 1 DLCS also take a few clicks too, idiots.

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#14 Posted by Techhog89 (3709 posts) -

I'd say that you missed the point, but it's not like you were aiming for it in the first place.

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#15 Edited by Gatygun (1428 posts) -
@madrocketeer said:

Again, a little outdated and not 100% objective, but the general gist is sound: Epic Store is currently extremely barebones and not ready for prime time, and will remain so for 6+ months. Add to that are legitimate privacy concerns, including possible European GDPR violation, and Epic have a lot to work on that should be of higher priority than nabbing exclusives.

All features i couldn't care about.

I only need to find my game download and play it. Everything else is optional trash to me that clutters my client.

Also Valve just got slammed today or yesterday by the EU for anti consumer practices. So there goes that.

I agree with the topic starter. It's funny to see how most of those "steamies" don't understand PC gaming even remotely.

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#16 Posted by uninspiredcup (32737 posts) -

Only gives a shit about money so the only way to effect them is to deprive them of money.

It's really is that simple.

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#17 Posted by Kali-B1rd (2031 posts) -

Visited that shrink yet ReCloud?

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#18 Posted by DaVillain- (35989 posts) -

@Gatygun said:
@madrocketeer said:

Again, a little outdated and not 100% objective, but the general gist is sound: Epic Store is currently extremely barebones and not ready for prime time, and will remain so for 6+ months. Add to that are legitimate privacy concerns, including possible European GDPR violation, and Epic have a lot to work on that should be of higher priority than nabbing exclusives.

All features i couldn't care about.

I only need to find my game download and play it. Everything else is optional trash to me that clutters my client.

Also Valve just got slammed today or yesterday by the EU for anti consumer practices. So there goes that.

I agree with the topic starter. It's funny to see how most of those "steamies" don't understand PC gaming even remotely.

It's less feature complete than Steam back in 2004. Hell, It's about as stable as Steam back in 2004 too and everyone hated Steam back in 2004. It's perhaps one of the least feature complete digital games distribution platforms in the current age.

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#19 Edited by xantufrog (11155 posts) -

Seriously, it's pathetic that you're trying to flip the narrative like this. Trying to make people out like we're "hysterical" over this when in reality all that's happening is we're saying "hell no I spend my money elsewhere" on some backwater forum. We aren't marching on freaking Washington.

Try this on for size: the world doesn't revolve around you. Just because Epic meets your standards doesn't give you the right to tell people who have different standards that they should shut up and take it like a bitch. If Steam didn't exist, you might have a point that nobody is "entitled" to more than what Epic offers, but given the fact that it is actively taking away droves of features we DO have, people have a right to say "no, not good enough. We've had better".

Are you incapable of understanding that other people might use features that you don't? It's called theory of mind and it's a very early developmental stage. Don't use cloud saves? Don't use mods? Great. But it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that others might, and it's a cruel soul that decides "you don't deserve what I don't value"

Just mind your own business, and let us not spend money on your store in peace

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#20 Posted by DaVillain- (35989 posts) -

I never care about having alot of launchers, I have Steam, GoG, Uplay, Origin, Blizzard.net, Epic, ect. but the fact is, I never care about the fights between Steam & Epic but however, their are 3 things I can say about Epic store why it's a problem.

  1. The store has way less features than... well, all the other one's on PC. Even something as basic as a shopping cart is still missing from Epic but at least they have a "Game Search" which should have been their in the first place! Obviously!!!
  2. Because Epic is a shady company, mostly owned by the Chinese Government now. Some people chose not to trust Epic, and that's understandable. I don't trust Epic (well no one for that matter but myself) but I'm always honest about it by using their store to buy the game I really want to place as a last resort.
  3. Because, unlike other stores that rival Steam, Epic is doing one of the things I hate the most and as well as every PC gamer: buying third party exclusives! Console companies do this, but this type of stuff should never happened on a PC community despite you will get to play that game on the same system as everyone has, a PC. Owning multiple consoles is a pain in the butt just to play that one game exclusive but not on PC, it's the launcher exclusive.

With all of that said, I try avoiding using Epic as much as I can unless I have no other ways of buying the game I really want to play right away and not wait another year to be available elsewhere such as Steam. The Outer Worlds is a good example, it's not only coming to Epic store, it's also going to be release on Windows 10 as well and I'll play Outer Worlds on Windows 10 instead of Epic, more options is available to me. With all of that said and done, Steam happens to be my main HQ gaming collection, GoG is my second-in command HQ gaming collection as well and the rest have their uses but not Epic.

Edit: One thing I should mention this. Another thing people routinely gleam over, the EGS charges you a $5 fee for using certain payment options, usually credit cards, which all other digital storefronts innately cover. You could get around this fee by using paypal or linking in your bank credentials, but why would you do that to a platform that has routinely been shown to have constant security flaws? They also do not honor regional pricing, so naturally the only people defending EGS are the Americans, it is more expensive for every other foreign country.

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#21 Edited by uninspiredcup (32737 posts) -

@xantufrog said:

Seriously, it's pathetic that you're trying to flip the narrative like this. Trying to make people out like we're "hysterical" over this when in reality all that's happening is we're saying "hell no I spend my money elsewhere" on some backwater forum. We aren't marching on freaking Washington.

The disturbing thing here is, it isn't just this guy, alt troll trying to get a rise out of people, actual gaming journalists have this attitude.

Nathan Grayson (Kotaku pleb) actually described it as "toxic masculinity", where the hell these fucksticks come from.

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#22 Posted by SolidGame_basic (24033 posts) -

I really don't see any benefit to it. It sounds like TC is being a corporate apologist lol.

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#23 Edited by xantufrog (11155 posts) -

@uninspiredcup: lol. Imagine being accused to your face of "toxic masculinity" for saying you value the service of your go-to store and that you are not going to shop at some new chain that doesn't offer those same services. You dirty mansplaining redneck dirtbag you. You're just being hysterical. Shut up and eat the Chipotle, it's fine.

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#24 Posted by mazuiface (822 posts) -

@madrocketeer: Thank you. I was prepared to make a similar post upon seeing the thread title and I was pleased to see you had already done the work in the second reply.

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#25 Posted by IMAHAPYHIPPO (3393 posts) -

I can still play Earthbound because I have the cartridge. I honestly couldn't care less about the features of a digital platform. I want to know that I'll be able to access and play the games I pay full price for.

Complain all you want about features Epic Games Store doesn't have; if it falters, anything you've purchased is gone.

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#26 Edited by madrocketeer (6234 posts) -
@Gatygun said:

All features i couldn't care about.

I only need to find my game download and play it. Everything else is optional trash to me that clutters my client.

Also Valve just got slammed today or yesterday by the EU for anti consumer practices. So there goes that.

I agree with the topic starter. It's funny to see how most of those "steamies" don't understand PC gaming even remotely.

Well, ya know, other people are not you. For other people, at least some of these features are important.

Doesn't matter. The point still stands: Epic Games Store is in a barebones state and is not ready for prime time. It's even missing features that should be basic, industry-standard stuff. I mean, no cloud saves until May? No wishlists for 4-6 months? No shopping cart for over half a year? It's fine if you don't care about these missing features. Doesn't take away from the objective, verifiable fact that Epic Store is extremely barebones right now, and Epic are pouring their Fortnite money at forcing people to Beta-test their store instead of on improving it.

And that's on Valve. If it's a legitimate concern, there is legitimate expectation for the issues being fixed. Valve having their own regulatory issues does not excuse Epic from addressing theirs.

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#27 Posted by jeezers (2617 posts) -

@mumunaro: valve is nobetter than EA on micro transactions, valve is argurably worse actually and thats saying something. Valve literraly stopped making games and just work on making micro transactions now. Counterstrike skins going for 200$+ same with dota 2, TF2, all thier MP games are just micro transactions, they actually charge people for sprays in CSGO and you get a limited amount of times you can spray it before it dissapears, you ised to just use any jpeg and upload it, valve sucks now, gabe sucks now, they ruined everything they had, now all they are known for is thier stupid launcher steam, ive used steam for nearly 18 years, because i wanted to play valves games, not for bs features I'll never use, or so they can grease game developers instead of making thier own games. They put out a shitty hearthstone clone that you have to buy in to play, plus card micro transactions. money hungry trash

EA was always scummy so seeing valve turn into them sucks.

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#28 Posted by thereal25 (1737 posts) -

@madrocketeer said:

Again, a little outdated and not 100% objective, but the general gist is sound: Epic Store is currently extremely barebones and not ready for prime time, and will remain so for 6+ months. Add to that are legitimate privacy concerns, including possible European GDPR violation, and Epic have a lot to work on that should be of higher priority than nabbing exclusives.

C'mon, who even uses those features.

The only thing I saw there that I would consider useful is cloud saves.

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#29 Edited by madrocketeer (6234 posts) -
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C'mon, who even uses those features.

The only thing I saw there that I would consider useful is cloud saves.

Doesn't matter. As I said, the chart is not 100% objective, but the point stands: Epic Store is currently in an extremely barebones state, and will remain so for at least 6 months or more. Instead of using their Fortnite money to prioritise catching up on this deficit, they're throwing it around to force people to Beta-test their store.

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#30 Edited by foxhound_fox (97849 posts) -

On my taskbar right now:

GOG, Steam, Origin, Battle.net and UPlay. Throw in Epic GS and now that six separate launchers all with different games in them. If console gamers had to boot up separate apps in order to access certain games, they'd be complaining too.

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#31 Posted by thereal25 (1737 posts) -

@foxhound_fox said:

On my taskbar right now:

GOG, Steam, Origin, Battle.net and UPlay. Throw in Epic GS and now that six separate launchers all with different games in them. If console gamers had to boot up separate apps in order to access certain games, they'd be complaining too.

I don't really see the issue unless you forget which game are where.

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#32 Edited by getyeryayasout (12255 posts) -

I don't get the uproar. Signing up for the Epic store and launcher should be a snap since their Chinese masters already have all your information. Simple.

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#33 Edited by R4gn4r0k (30690 posts) -

Yeah because I'd much rather that money be spent on something useful like the development of new games instead of locking a game from Steam for a year.

I'm not a fan of Epic's plan. I'm not a fan of Epic's games and they have shown in the past that they will drop PC instantly if there is a better deal over at Microsoft/xbox.

So why would I spend money on a store whos practices I don't support?

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#34 Posted by mojito1988 (3529 posts) -

The only issue I have is that the Epic store has no features. When it comes close to what steam offers, I will be fine with it.

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#35 Posted by freedomfreak (51139 posts) -

It doesnt bother me, but I've been giving it a look, and buying out developer's games and the fact it's not up to par with Steam, makes me understand why people are annoyed.

Like having to buy a game on Switch.

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#36 Posted by That_Old_Guy (1154 posts) -

@madrocketeer: there’s no more privacy concerns then there are for the other 10 companies Tencent has stake in.

If they wanted your info they’d have it by now.

I hate this argument.

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#37 Posted by madrocketeer (6234 posts) -
@that_old_guy said:

@madrocketeer: there’s no more privacy concerns then there are for the other 10 companies Tencent has stake in.

If they wanted your info they’d have it by now.

I hate this argument.

Doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out. "Other people do it too" is not an excuse.

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#38 Edited by DrSerigala (109 posts) -

I need to paid 6€ more for an 80 € deluxe edition game on Epic Store. Epic Store doesnt cover transaction fee,consumer does! not like steam, that is why epic can offer 88% revenue by distribute it cost to consumer. I wont buy any games from epic store anymore.

That is also one of the reason japanese developer still chose steam , because steam cover the transaction fee for japanese consumer. Most japanese use Wallet Credit and usualy cost 10-15% of the game price for transaction fee and steam cover it all, already included to their 30% split revenue

Paying more for less feature platform is a big no for me

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#39 Posted by schu (10043 posts) -

You've really caused me to think deeply by posting this. I'll literally never use their platform.

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#40 Edited by Rockman999 (7468 posts) -

Hermits think giving Gabe a monopoly on the PC platform will convince the lazy lard ass to give them HL3. 😂

I've never met a pair fanbases so arrogantly ignorant of the world outside of their sweaty little echo chambers like Hermits and Sheep. 🤦🏿‍♂️

It is what it is, Hermits, stay classy and continue drowning in your own arrogance. 😂

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#41 Posted by That_Old_Guy (1154 posts) -

@madrocketeer: it’s not other people do it too.

It’s they already did it if they did do it so stop pointing fingers at the new kid.

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#42 Edited by PC_Rocks (2006 posts) -

@drserigala said:

I need to paid 6€ more for an 80 € deluxe edition game on Epic Store. Epic Store doesnt cover transaction fee,consumer does! not like steam, that is why epic can offer 88% revenue by distribute it cost to consumer. I wont buy any games from epic store anymore.

That is also one of the reason japanese developer still chose steam , because steam cover the transaction fee for japanese consumer. Most japanese use Wallet Credit and usualy cost 10-15% of the game price for transaction fee and steam cover it all, already included to their 30% split revenue

Paying more for less feature platform is a big no for me

This. People don't realize that Steam's 30% cut isn't greedy, they also offer better services to the consumer with regional pricing, covering transaction fees, more coverage across different companies, cloud saves, dedicated servers etc.

Steam is consumer focused while Epic is about strong arming publishers and they openly admitted that they only care about devs/publishers not consumer. Lastly, where is the uproar over MS/Sony/Nintendo's 30% cut on top of licensing/dev kits/DLC/game submission vetting fees? Valve even allow you to sell your keys your self with no cut to Valve.

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#43 Edited by GarGx1 (10928 posts) -

Epic will undo all the work that the likes of Steam and GOG have done to massively reduce piracy in gaming.

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#44 Edited by xantufrog (11155 posts) -

@thereal25: you're kidding. I use most of those features.

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#45 Posted by Lebowski1 (57 posts) -

"Amazing how angry people are getting over being forced" /thread

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#46 Posted by lundy86_4 (52618 posts) -

@Rockman999 said:

Hermits think giving Gabe a monopoly on the PC platform will convince the lazy lard ass to give them HL3. 😂

I've never met a pair fanbases so arrogantly ignorant of the world outside of their sweaty little echo chambers like Hermits and Sheep. 🤦🏿‍♂️

It is what it is, Hermits, stay classy and continue drowning in your own arrogance. 😂

Origin/Uplay/Blizzard.net/GMG/Keysites still exist to push competition within PC gaming. Stop posting bollocks.

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#47 Posted by 04dcarraher (23171 posts) -

@lundy86_4 said:

Origin/Uplay/Blizzard.net/GMG/Keysites still exist to push competition within PC gaming. Stop posting bollocks.

And dont forget GOG

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#48 Posted by lundy86_4 (52618 posts) -

@04dcarraher said:
@lundy86_4 said:

Origin/Uplay/Blizzard.net/GMG/Keysites still exist to push competition within PC gaming. Stop posting bollocks.

And dont forget GOG

Wow, definitely missed that one.

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#49 Edited by 04dcarraher (23171 posts) -

@pc_rocks said:
@drserigala said:

I need to paid 6€ more for an 80 € deluxe edition game on Epic Store. Epic Store doesnt cover transaction fee,consumer does! not like steam, that is why epic can offer 88% revenue by distribute it cost to consumer. I wont buy any games from epic store anymore.

That is also one of the reason japanese developer still chose steam , because steam cover the transaction fee for japanese consumer. Most japanese use Wallet Credit and usualy cost 10-15% of the game price for transaction fee and steam cover it all, already included to their 30% split revenue

Paying more for less feature platform is a big no for me

This. People don't realize that Steam's 30% cut isn't greedy, they also offer better services to the consumer with regional pricing, covering transaction fees, more coverage across different companies, cloud saves, dedicated servers etc.

Steam is consumer focused while Epic is about strong arming publishers and they openly admitted that they only care about devs/publishers not consumer. Lastly, where is the uproar over MS/Sony/Nintendo's 30% cut on top of licensing/dev kits/DLC/game submission vetting fees? Valve even allow you to sell your keys your self with no cut to Valve.

Steam changed its cut ratio last year as well..... It goes down as low as 20% when a game at $50 sells 1 million units or hits the $50 million mark. Which is not an issue for any good game.

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#50 Posted by xantufrog (11155 posts) -

@Rockman999: System Wars, not Fanwars