A myth about NPD numbers than needs to be cleared up.

Lots of cows (I guess lemmings too but not lately) are trying to claim that the reason NPD numbers are different from VGChartz is because NPD doesn't receive data from all retailers. This is completely false. They don't just pretend Wall Mart doesn't exist, they get as much data on the market that they can and extrapolate the rest. Of course this isn't 100% accurate but is probably within a few percent. Its really quite simple, all you do is take what you have and then add the market share of the retailers missing and you have a pretty good estimate. Obviously they go much farther then this but you get the picture.

Both VGChartz and NPD's final numbers are estimates but the claim that VGChartz can be more accurate then NPD because they lack Wall Mart is absurd. VGchartz has no data except for historical trends while NPD has sales from the majority of retailers.

NPD has a great track record that always meshes with reports from publishers and manufacturers, in fact I have never heard of anyone from industry disputing NPD's claims about their products.

Also wrong numbers aren't a substitute for the lack of numbers so the lack of international reports is not an excuse to use VGChartz either.

Acceptable sources:

NPD for North America

MediaCreate and Famitsu for Japan

Quarterly reports for WW numbers.

What is NPD? What is VGChartz?alittletoohappy

[QUOTE="alittletoohappy"]What is NPD? What is VGChartz?stereointegrity

[QUOTE="alittletoohappy"]What is NPD? What is VGChartz?stereointegrity

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GOOGLE FTW!

Lots of cows (I guess lemmings too but not lately) are trying to claim that the reason NPD numbers are different from VGChartz is because NPD doesn't receive data from all retailers. This is completely false. They don't just pretend Wall Mart doesn't exist, they get as much data on the market that they can and extrapolate the rest. Of course this isn't 100% accurate but is probably within a few percent. Its really quite simple, all you do is take what you have and then add the market share of the retailers missing and you have a pretty good estimate. Obviously they go much farther then this but you get the picture.

Both VGChartz and NPD's final numbers are estimates but the claim that VGChartz can be more accurate then NPD because they lack Wall Mart is absurd. VGchartz has no data except for historical trends while NPD has sales from the majority of retailers.

NPD has a great track record that always meshes with reports from publishers and manufacturers, in fact I have never heard of anyone from industry disputing NPD's claims about their products.

Also wrong numbers aren't a substitute for the lack of numbers so the lack of international reports is not an excuse to use VGChartz either.

Acceptable sources:

NPD for North America

MediaCreate and Famitsu for Japan

Quarterly reports for WW numbers.

TOAO_Cyrus1

Lots of cows (I guess lemmings too but not lately) are trying to claim that the reason NPD numbers are different from VGChartz is because NPD doesn't receive data from all retailers. This is completely false. They don't just pretend Wall Mart doesn't exist, they get as much data on the market that they can and extrapolate the rest. Of course this isn't 100% accurate but is probably within a few percent. Its really quite simple, all you do is take what you have and then add the market share of the retailers missing and you have a pretty good estimate. Obviously they go much farther then this but you get the picture.

Both VGChartz and NPD's final numbers are estimates but the claim that VGChartz can be more accurate then NPD because they lack Wall Mart is absurd. VGchartz has no data except for historical trends while NPD has sales from the majority of retailers.

NPD has a great track record that always meshes with reports from publishers and manufacturers, in fact I have never heard of anyone from industry disputing NPD's claims about their products.

Also wrong numbers aren't a substitute for the lack of numbers so the lack of international reports is not an excuse to use VGChartz either.

Acceptable sources:

NPD for North America

MediaCreate and Famitsu for Japan

Quarterly reports for WW numbers.

TOAO_Cyrus1

i would be willing to bet NPD group aims to be 2q (95%) if not 3q (99%) from actual numbers

blog it....this wont help the fact vgchartz will still be abused all over system warsstereointegrity

*Sprinkles magic growing powder on thread*

There, give this thread a few days, and it will be nice an plump.:P

Lots of cows (I guess lemmings too but not lately) are trying to claim that the reason NPD numbers are different from VGChartz is because NPD doesn't receive data from all retailers. This is completely false. They don't just pretend Wall Mart doesn't exist, they get as much data on the market that they can and extrapolate the rest. Of course this isn't 100% accurate but is probably within a few percent. Its really quite simple, all you do is take what you have and then add the market share of the retailers missing and you have a pretty good estimate. Obviously they go much farther then this but you get the picture.

Both VGChartz and NPD's final numbers are estimates but the claim that VGChartz can be more accurate then NPD because they lack Wall Mart is absurd. VGchartz has no data except for historical trends while NPD has sales from the majority of retailers.

NPD has a great track record that always meshes with reports from publishers and manufacturers, in fact I have never heard of anyone from industry disputing NPD's claims about their products.

Also wrong numbers aren't a substitute for the lack of numbers so the lack of international reports is not an excuse to use VGChartz either.

Acceptable sources:

NPD for North America

MediaCreate and Famitsu for Japan

Quarterly reports for WW numbers.

There was a link posted not to long ago where I think it was someone from Capcom stated even the NPD was off. He said it was like at least 30% off most of the time. HarlockJC

I've heard that a few times over the years, in fact, SEGA just said the same thing recently.

There was a link posted not to long ago where I think it was someone from Capcom stated even the NPD was off. He said it was like at least 30% off most of the time. HarlockJC

[QUOTE="HarlockJC"]There was a link posted not to long ago where I think it was someone from Capcom stated even the NPD was off. He said it was like at least 30% off most of the time. surrealnumber5

This thread has been a eye opener for all that see it and I'm sure things will change from now on.

[QUOTE="surrealnumber5"][QUOTE="HarlockJC"]There was a link posted not to long ago where I think it was someone from Capcom stated even the NPD was off. He said it was like at least 30% off most of the time. HarlockJC

publishers know what is ordered and they fill those orders, unless they are selling direct to the consumers there is no need for them to know the sell through rate. IF sega is trying to track sell through rates i would love to be a consultant for them and get 5-10% of their per year savings for the next five years by telling them how unimportant that is to them. distributors of goods dont need to know who the end user is, thats not their consumer.