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#1 RedentSC
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Alright so i left serious PC Gaming land around 2 years ago. My rig wasn't amazing, but enough to run BF on high at or around 60 FPS in 1080

 

The move to PS3 (and battlefield on PS3) was such a noticeable difference it was unreal. Dropping to 720 / 30FPS (i think it might actually be a little lower than that on PS3 in fact)

 

I try to explained to my pals that when the PS4 hits, and they are playing BF4 on it.. the biggest change they will notice will be due to the 60FPS... its hard to explain to someone why it makes a difference, it just does in a weird way.

 

Now I can't recall ever playing anything serious at 120fps .... defiantly nothing competitive... just never had the grunt to do it and keep it looking okay.

 

Does it make as much of a difference as the jump from 30 to 60? as 60 to me seems completely smooth and well... can't really improve completely smooth surely?

 

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#2 APiranhaAteMyVa
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Most people probably have 60hz monitors, so I don't think all that many would have experienced it.
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#3 GTSaiyanjin2
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Think its only noticible if you sit 2-3 feet from your monitor... I do find it impossible to play FPS now on a 60 hz monitor. But on consoles I play them just fine. 

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#4 gameofthering
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With a 120Hz monitor?

Sure. 

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#5 ziggyww
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The more frames the smoother it will be. It's a common misconception that the human eye only sees a maximum of 60 FPS where it actually sees above 200FPS. 60FPS though is able to produce enough frames to consist of very smooth gameplay and create less blur effects. The gap between 30 and 60 is huge and you will be able to notice the difference easily (Although some say there isn't but there clearly is). 30FPS is enough to produce smooth frames but the brain will be able to detect and tell the difference between 30 and 60. Above 60 though it is only smooth and even though it is a lot better in quality and anyone that has watched a tennis demo on a 1080p tv running 200FPS will be able to tell you you do notice it but the gap isn't as big as 30 to 60.
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#6 Stinger78
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I've only ever had CRT monitors that could go 75 or 85hz, and I usually have vsync turned off, so I guess maybe I've seen games running higher than 60, but it's difficult to say. For me, 30fps or even as low as 24, I might still call playable IF the framerate is solid. I'm thinking Star Fox on SNES wasn't even that high, though, and I found it to be playable at that time, so maybe that's how I can accept less than 30.
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My old CRT's would refresh up to 150Hz and it made a massive difference when compared to playing at 85Hz (minimum I could game at on CRT's, anything less was headache material) especially in competative FPS games.

Since going TFT/LED I've only ever used 60Hz refresh displays and although the difference between 30 and 60 is noticable it doesn't render a game unplayable and is no where near the differences that CRT's had because of the way they refresh pixles instead of the entire screen. I don't know what 60Hz to 120Hz is like on TFT's but I doubt the difference is massively noticable, 60Hz on a flat screen is as good as flicker free.

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#8 Jebus213
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With a 120Hz monitor?

Sure. 

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#9 RedentSC
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[QUOTE="gameofthering"]

With a 120Hz monitor?

Sure. 

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Is it worth investing in a 120Hz monitor though... is the jump worth it?
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#10 aroxx_ab
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This says all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA

 

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This says all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA

 

aroxx_ab
Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.
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I have a monitor capable of displaying 75hz, the 15FPS jump is noticable, much smoother and life like, 120hz is even more so.

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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

This says all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA

 

Consternated

Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.

Yeah i saw it, was good.

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from 30 to 60 does make a huge difference in smotthness of the game, but from 60 to 120 not that much. 

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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="gameofthering"]

With a 120Hz monitor?

Sure. 

RedentSC

Is it worth investing in a 120Hz monitor though... is the jump worth it?

Only worth it if you're playing fast paced or competitive games really.and ONLY if you can push the games up to or above 120 fps

I have a 144Hz monitor and you can REALLY tell the difference between that and 60Hz but only when I play something like BF3 or CoD. 

It makes panning the camera and looking around a lot easier and less blurry. it helps you acquire targets fast and react a bit faster

If you just game to game then it's not worth it. If you like pretty graphcis more than a better colour producing monitor is the way to go or maybe 1440p

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#16 clyde46
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If you have the rig to run it, then you will notice the difference.
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#17 Consternated
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Another thing to note about 120/144Hz monitors is the reduction of screen tearing. Playing TF2 without VSync on a 60Hz monitor is just a mess... When you're playing Scout, it's like the screen is in 7 segments. 144Hz on the XL2411T, and that's just not an issue :) So yeah, smoothness, no tearing, reduced input lag from not using vsync, etc. It's all good stuff.
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#18 Kinthalis
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It's not as huge a difference as 30 to 60 FPS. But it's large enough to notice. Animations, specially feel so smooth. It's like you're looking through a window rather than at a screen. Specially when the game's animations are top notch.

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Never played a game at over 60fps (with proper monitor) so i can't judge but 60fps is very important for me
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[QUOTE="Consternated"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

This says all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA

 

aroxx_ab

Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.

Yeah i saw it, was good.

Yeah, in the second video the guy got five out of five but he has basically trained himself to notice the difference. And he was using tricks to tell the difference like rotating the camera left to right and back again very quickly. Just doesn't seem worth the money to me to get a difference that is so negligible that you have to train your eyes to see it. I'll be the first to admit that 30 fps to 60 fps is a big jump but 60 fps to 120 fps seems like more of a bragging thing than anything else. Does it look a little better? Probably. But barely.

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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

This says all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA

 

Consternated

Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.

 

The one where he was specifically testing for it by rapidly panning the camera back and forth? What they shoulda done was have someone else play and see if he could notice during normal gameplay.

 

For slower paced games i would take a decent plasma tv or LED tv with local dimming. Most the 1440p monitors usually dont have very good panels compared to your average big screen tv, usually poorer black levels, color reproduction, contrast ratio, more flashlighting/worse screen uniformity etc. If im not playing competitive multiplayer modes, i use my home theater with 7.1 surround.

 

If im doing online multiplayer i just throw on the headphones and use my crappy low response TN panel monitor.

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[QUOTE="Consternated"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

This says all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA

 

BeardMaster

Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.

 

The one where he was specifically testing for it by rapidly panning the camera back and forth? What they shoulda done was have someone else play and see if he could notice during normal gameplay.

 

For slower paced games i would take a decent plasma tv or LED tv with local dimming. Most the 1440p monitors usually dont have very good panels compared to your average big screen tv, usually poorer black levels, color reproduction, contrast ratio, more flashlighting/worse screen uniformity etc. If im not playing competitive multiplayer modes, i use my home theater with 7.1 surround.

 

If im doing online multiplayer i just throw on the headphones and use my crappy low response TN panel monitor.

IPS panels will shit on most HDTV's.
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[QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

[QUOTE="Consternated"] Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.Wickerman777

Yeah i saw it, was good.

Yeah, in the second video the guy got five out of five but he has basically trained himself to notice the difference. And he was using tricks to tell the difference like rotating the camera left to right and back again very quickly. Just doesn't seem worth the money to me to get a difference that is so negligible that you have to train your eyes to see it. I'll be the first to admit that 30 fps to 60 fps is a big jump but 60 fps to 120 fps seems like more of a bragging thing than anything else. Does it look a little better? Probably. But barely.

Yeah i agree, i prefer a IPS monitor (60hz) with good picture quality.

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#24 Krelian-co
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Never played a game at over 60fps (with proper monitor) so i can't judge but 60fps is very important for mesilversix_

120 hz is not really important, you will notice it here and there, but 60 is the must have.

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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Consternated"] Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.clyde46

 

The one where he was specifically testing for it by rapidly panning the camera back and forth? What they shoulda done was have someone else play and see if he could notice during normal gameplay.

 

For slower paced games i would take a decent plasma tv or LED tv with local dimming. Most the 1440p monitors usually dont have very good panels compared to your average big screen tv, usually poorer black levels, color reproduction, contrast ratio, more flashlighting/worse screen uniformity etc. If im not playing competitive multiplayer modes, i use my home theater with 7.1 surround.

 

If im doing online multiplayer i just throw on the headphones and use my crappy low response TN panel monitor.

IPS panels will shit on most HDTV's.

 

just about every halfway decent hdtv uses an ips panel these days. My 55" LED is an IPS pannel and has full array local dimming... shits all over any monitor.

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[QUOTE="Consternated"][QUOTE="aroxx_ab"]

This says all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA

 

BeardMaster

Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.

 

The one where he was specifically testing for it by rapidly panning the camera back and forth? What they shoulda done was have someone else play and see if he could notice during normal gameplay.

 

For slower paced games i would take a decent plasma tv or LED tv with local dimming. Most the 1440p monitors usually dont have very good panels compared to your average big screen tv, usually poorer black levels, color reproduction, contrast ratio, more flashlighting/worse screen uniformity etc. If im not playing competitive multiplayer modes, i use my home theater with 7.1 surround.

 

If im doing online multiplayer i just throw on the headphones and use my crappy low response TN panel monitor.

 

LOL! What? All 1440p panels are IPS. That's better color coverage than 99% of TV's out there.

 

Local dimming LED's ARE nice, but alot of IPS panels also have that feature. And modern IPS motnitors also beat the $hit out of TV panels in terms of response times.

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Unless you're rocking a 120hz monitor, anything over 60 is wasted. At 120hz you will notice a smoother picture but it's really subtle.

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[QUOTE="clyde46"][QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

 

The one where he was specifically testing for it by rapidly panning the camera back and forth? What they shoulda done was have someone else play and see if he could notice during normal gameplay.

 

For slower paced games i would take a decent plasma tv or LED tv with local dimming. Most the 1440p monitors usually dont have very good panels compared to your average big screen tv, usually poorer black levels, color reproduction, contrast ratio, more flashlighting/worse screen uniformity etc. If im not playing competitive multiplayer modes, i use my home theater with 7.1 surround.

 

If im doing online multiplayer i just throw on the headphones and use my crappy low response TN panel monitor.

BeardMaster

IPS panels will shit on most HDTV's.

 

just about every halfway decent hdtv uses an ips panel these days. My 55" LED is an IPS pannel and has full array local dimming... shits all over any monitor.

"Any monitor"? Thats a very large and sweeping statement. I really don't think your HDTV can stand up against a Dell 30in IPS panel that is used in professional video editing and colour grading.
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#29 Consternated
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When it comes to picture quality, a great TV is better than most monitors, and a great monitor is better than most TVs. Let's just leave it there? :P
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#30 cain006
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I've never played a game at 120 fps but I'm sure it would be beneficial in games like Quake Live or even Tribes Ascend. Anything other than competitive games though I don't think it would be that useful.

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Unless you're rocking a 120hz monitor, anything over 60 is wasted. At 120hz you will notice a smoother picture but it's really subtle.

Wasdie

I'd say iot more depends on the game to really notice it. Something like Dead SPace 3 I've been playing recently doesn't look all that different at 144Hz compared to say BF3 which looks MUCH better at 144Hz.

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#32 Vaasman
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60-120 is much less noticable than 30-60, but you will probably still notice it. Frames won't always line up perfectly with your own natural refresh rate, so even at a totally solid 60 you will probably see very very minor skips every now and then.

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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="clyde46"] IPS panels will shit on most HDTV's. clyde46

 

just about every halfway decent hdtv uses an ips panel these days. My 55" LED is an IPS pannel and has full array local dimming... shits all over any monitor.

"Any monitor"? Thats a very large and sweeping statement. I really don't think your HDTV can stand up against a Dell 30in IPS panel that is used in professional video editing and colour grading.

 

the response times and contrast ratios are far worse than most HDTVs.

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[QUOTE="BeardMaster"]

[QUOTE="Consternated"] Did you see the sequel episode where Linus knew which was which five times outta five? It feels better, and I do believe it helps with aim, amongst other things. The game appears a lot more fluid, and it's just... Nice. For FPS games, 120fps is lovely. For slower paced games, I'd take a 1440p IPS panel any day of the week.clyde46

 

The one where he was specifically testing for it by rapidly panning the camera back and forth? What they shoulda done was have someone else play and see if he could notice during normal gameplay.

 

For slower paced games i would take a decent plasma tv or LED tv with local dimming. Most the 1440p monitors usually dont have very good panels compared to your average big screen tv, usually poorer black levels, color reproduction, contrast ratio, more flashlighting/worse screen uniformity etc. If im not playing competitive multiplayer modes, i use my home theater with 7.1 surround.

 

If im doing online multiplayer i just throw on the headphones and use my crappy low response TN panel monitor.

IPS panels will shit on most HDTV's.

Nah my Plasma takes massive wet dumps on all IPS Panels
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There is a small difference between these two, but noticable.

 

Not as noticable as 30 to 60, which is pretty damn big to those used to 60.

 

Oh and Lmao consoles

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I have a monitor capable of displaying 75hz, the 15FPS jump is noticable, much smoother and life like, 120hz is even more so.

AMD655

Yeah, this. I found 75Hz noticably improved compared to 60Hz. I can only imagine the sexy buttery smoothness of a 120kg wom... I mean of 120Hz. 

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#37 osirisx3
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120fps is over kill even on 60 fps the games look like they are running on fast forward to me.

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#38 m3Boarder32
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[QUOTE="AMD655"]

I have a monitor capable of displaying 75hz, the 15FPS jump is noticable, much smoother and life like, 120hz is even more so.

psymon100

Yeah, this. I found 75Hz noticably improved compared to 60Hz. I can only imagine the sexy buttery smoothness of a 120kg wom... I mean of 120Hz. 

Lol that's cuz LCD is jittery garbage. The hold times even @ 120hz are more than twice as slow as Plasma
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#39 toughtrasher
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This thread right here, along with this thread (http://www.gamespot.com/forums/topic/29440489/is-60fps-really-that-big-a-deal) is going to make me start a new thread titled: 120 fps vs 240 fps?

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What does the panasonic plasma st50 have? I'm sorry I can't game on monitors
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#41 mitu123
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I got my new monitor this year at 120hz and what a huge difference it made from 60hz.

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I like your avatar TC, I saw coheed last march in atlanta

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I got a 120hz monitor about a year ago. Can't go back. It is, and I mean, SILKY smooth. It's like, smoother than smooth.

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#44 pelvist
Member since 2010 • 9001 Posts

If its a game you play a lot of then you will definitely notice the difference. I remember playing Tribes Ascend when my 120hz monitor died, even dropping down to 75hz on an older monitor was noticable and it was hard to get comfortable playing the game, it was noticably less smooth.

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#45 HTPC_FTW
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

I have a monitor capable of displaying 75hz, the 15FPS jump is noticable, much smoother and life like, 120hz is even more so.

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Yeah, this. I found 75Hz noticably improved compared to 60Hz. I can only imagine the sexy buttery smoothness of a 120kg wom... I mean of 120Hz. 

Lol that's cuz LCD is jittery garbage. The hold times even @ 120hz are more than twice as slow as Plasma

Even tho this guy sounds like a fanboy, he's correct. It's the hold times that makes 120hz LCD's smooth, not the frames per second.
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#46 psymon100
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[QUOTE="psymon100"]

[QUOTE="AMD655"]

I have a monitor capable of displaying 75hz, the 15FPS jump is noticable, much smoother and life like, 120hz is even more so.

m3Boarder32

Yeah, this. I found 75Hz noticably improved compared to 60Hz. I can only imagine the sexy buttery smoothness of a 120kg wom... I mean of 120Hz. 

Lol that's cuz LCD is jittery garbage. The hold times even @ 120hz are more than twice as slow as Plasma

How is 'that' because LCD is 'jittery garbage', if both displays were LCD? Surely the difference I saw came from the extra 15Hz (+25%). 

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#47 sukraj
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I have a 100 hertz monitor

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#48 LegatoSkyheart
Member since 2009 • 29733 Posts

30 fps is about average and very reliable framerate to shoot for.

60 fps just looks beautiful and just so fluid, it's amazing to see games in this framerate. 

120 is just unneccessary.

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#49 rjdofu
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I'm pretty satisfy with 60FPS.
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#50 the_bi99man
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]

[QUOTE="gameofthering"]

With a 120Hz monitor?

Sure. 

RedentSC

Is it worth investing in a 120Hz monitor though... is the jump worth it?

In my experience, going up from 60 doesn't have as much of an impact on the  visual  smoothness; as you said, 60 is pretty much buttery smooth. But, particularly in a fast paced multiplayer game, you can continue to  feel  the enhanced smoothness all the way up to 120, and even beyond. If you can afford a good 120 hz monitor, and have hardware that can push some games that fast, it's worth it.