[4K HDR] Forza Horizon 3: Xbox One X Full Developer Interview! 60fps possible

You are free to think and have the right to feel that 30 fps is unplayable. There is nothing wrong with that but its not a factual statement but a personal stance on fps in games.

If it was unplayable it wouldn’t have a 91% Average on metacritic :)

15 FPS Is unplayable, unable games due to frame rate issues are reviewed poorly accordingly.

It is factual that it is game-breaking for a fighting game though. We're talking about a genre where 2-3 frames in a move/combo can completely alter the way a match is played. Some moves can be made completely ineffective by adding several frames to their lengths. Again as I said, 15fps is in practice very "playable" but where do we draw the line? Moves/set ups/combos can be broken at 30fps in a fighting game. That's where "unplayable" starts.

Not talking about Forza. Talking about fighting games.

As I've already stated.... Vega 56, Vega 64 and Vega 64LC.

Also the 1070ti...... And I would strongly argue the GTX1060 is 'generally' faster then Xbox X.

Then there's the Fury X cards........ which can also be argued are faster then X's 'RX580' level GPU.

So your claimed '3%' is way off.

When are you people going to stop buying into their bullshit advertising and start caring about the games?

For Christ's sake, 30 fps, 60 fps, checkerboard 4k or real...is the game fun?

Stop caring about the unimportant stuff, this dickmeasuring has got to stop.

Is there cross-platform (PC and Xbox) play on this game? That is what I want to see, playing games together across multiple platforms.

Fury is a about as fast as a 1060 which is in turn faster than the RX 580. I wouldn't consider the Xbox One X GPU slower than the 1060 though. It sits between a 1060 and a 1070 but much closer to a 1060. At 4K a 1060 is 100, a 1070 is 140. The X1X GPU would probably be around 105-115. Fury X is a good comparable to what the X1X is sporting.

Well duh Lemmings , you act as if lowering the graphics quality is a new thing . So what we’ve all learned is that the almighty Xb1x isn’t powerful enough to run the game at ultra , 4K @ 60fps

I always practice what I preach. I play FH3 on PC at 1440p/60fps+ and 2160p/60fps depending if I am playing on the monitor or TV. I only play exclusives on console and it sucks when they are limited to 30fps. It is so distracting, immersion breaking, and does not feel good.

No you don't and just proved it with your own post.

You preach 60fps FACT.

You own consoles and play 30fps games FACT.

You do NOT practise what you preach and are a hypocrite FACT.

Glad we could clear that up.

When have I ever said that I never play games at 30fps? 30fps is shit and I avoid it whenever possible, but I still play some exclusives at 30fps because I have no other option.

You simply don't get it, and you're meant to be a "master race" guy.

You preach that 60fps is the minimal standard in which games should be played at, and if that's your standard then you should not be playing games below (30fps) that standard, by doing so that makes you a hypocrite, because you don't practise what you preach, is that really too hard for you to understand?

He's obviously too stupid to see the nuance.

Here let me help you guys out.

You're welcome

No shade needed.

I am a gamer first and foremost. So, I don't want to miss out on good games. There are some talented developers that are held hostage on shit platforms. I would prefer to play their games properly on a capable platform like PC, but that is not possible. When faced with playing a good exclusive at 30fps or not playing it at all, I will suck it up and play it at 30fps. That doesn't mean that the frame rate is not taking away my enjoyment of the game, but I am simply tolerating it out of necessity.

All games should be 60fps or higher and there should be no exclusives. All games should be available to everyone. People should be able to play them how they like without imposed restrictions and limitations.

As mentioned by @BassMan, we're gamers first and foremost and we preach supporting good games above all. Yes, even above 60fps. I'd rather play a good game at 30fps than a garbage game at 60fps. I'd rather play a good game at 60fps though but when it is not possible, I'll settle for 30fps. You call us PC Master Race as a way of poking fun of us but we both have a console and I even considered buying an X1X so clearly, the Master Race label is simply something we joke with and that console gamers have more of a problem with. We both support good games and the PC platform which is the platform of our choice. The shit I say on System Wars to annoy people doesn't impact what I do or purchase.

That sounds depressing! Husband? Father?

Non of which are listed in the survey to which I was referencing and you were when you were stating I don't know numbers. All that work to be wrong is sad. :(

When its actually unplayable.

And when is that? 10fps? 12? We all have a different definition of unplayable.

Not really. If something is unplayable it simply cannot be played. ;)

Again depends for whom. Can you play games at 5fps? Because some people can.

Let’s put it this way, only 2.5% own a GTX 1070, GTX 1080, or a 1080 Ti

And AMD would be lucky to sell half as many Vegas as those 3 Nvidia GPU’s

I will concede that IF a game is designed to be played in a specific manner and the player is unable to play the game in such a manner that they cannot meet the design specs or cannot meet the gameplay goals it unplayable.

Then stop preaching that under 60fps is unplayable and then turning around and playing 30fps games and you won't be called hypocrites, its really that simple :)

125,000,000 were the official active user account numbers from February 2015. Using Steamspy (as there are no newer official figures) there are approximately 280,000,000 steam users worldwide.

Estimated U.S. Steam users = 41,164,485 or 14.45% of the total number

Then using the Steam Survey, approximately 30% of people who participated are using a GPU more powerful than the PS4 Pro or in the region of 78,000,000 when scaled up to the estimated total number of users.

How many PS4 Pro's have been sold?

You'd have a point if we had said that but we didn't. We said 30fps is crap and we stand by what we said. 30fps is unplayable in certain games such as fighting games. For a racing game 30fps is a no-go. I'd never support a racing game running at 30fps because to me it is unacceptable.

Well I've played 200hrs of Forza Horizon 3 at 30fps and I can say its far from crap as you can get, but hey you guys do what you gotta do and i'll just enjoy the game.

Neither is a 1070ti by DF’s own admission ?

Its got be really hard for lemmings making fun of sony 30fps racers like drive club, but defend it when it's their own being attacked for being 30fps. Watching IP lash out against 30fps racers in the past to now this " at 30fps and I can say its far from crap as you can get" is priceless. its like xmas in Jan :)

@daredevils2k: Not as hard as comparing an open world game Vs a linear one.

OH wow their it is people, Lemmings are starting to admit that the almighty xb1x isn't as powerful as they thought it would be. Making up excuses for its failure doesn't look good :(

Lol X1X performance has everyone pleasantly surprised. Give it a rest kid

Cut the back peddling.... you're more then clever enough to know that the cards listed in the survey are not all of the cards that are faster.

And now you're trying to flip it.

Even if you could cards like the 980ti and others your 3% is still wrong.

But keeping spinning to try get out of it.

You should be smart enough to know if someone is using a data source they reference the data source. You have no data to the contrary. Saying my numbers were incorrectly used based on the data source specifically reference was an error on your part. Now that you are wrong you are trying your best to save face.

Ahaha.... you're getting desparate now...... Maybe go have another look at the survey and come back to me after you've seen sense.

@daredevils2k: Don't be silly (I know, kind of impossible in SW) I have no problems admitting the X is no miracle machine. I'm not the one setting Olympic records in mental gymnastics to justify my hate or insecurity over a toy. I just pointed out the obvious, an open world game can't be compared to a linear one. Just that.

I own all platforms but decided to abandon PC gaming almost completely for several reasons. But probably I've been playing and building PCs for longer than you've been alive.

Let's say that to beat an X1X you need a GTX 1070 or more and that AMD cards can't be included, nor can the GTX 1070Ti and we completely ignore the CPU. Then going by the Steam survey you are correct that only 3.1% of participants have a GPU more powerful than that used in the X1X. How many of those have been sold? Going by Steam Stats (as demonstrated above) 3.1% scaled up to the total user base is 8.4 million.

However when you look at it factually and not in fantasy land where Forza Horizon 3 bench marks are the be all and end all of testing, There are many more GPU's missing to be taken in account and that includes the GTX 1060.

Another fun fact, there are an estimated 1.8 billion gamers on the planet, 1.2 billion of them are PC gamers. According to research carried out by the ESA anyway.

That's very interesting but has nothing to do with what you were replying to.

None of what you just said changes that you were wrong and still wrong and trying to save face.

^^LOl you're so right bro :) I'm pleasantly surprised that the xb1x isn't powerful enough to run certain type of games that are meant to be 60fps and watching all the lems back peddle from making fun of 30fps racing games to WE LOVE 30 FPS RACING GAMES!!!!!

Find where I attacked Driveclub for being 30fps. We all know you're nothing but a liar, but lets see your proof, or will we see just more deflection from you.

You're just one of those people who constantly lose, and your only way to try and get a "win" is to fling as much shit at the wall and hope that something sticks but it never does lol.

9 months into Xbox Ones release there were over 15 Nvidia GPU’s that performed better than Xbox One. (1-2 of those over $800)

6 months from now there will be 4-6 Nvidia GPU’s that perform better than X1X. (half being over $800 msrp)

I can’t remember a time when things were this close performance wise between Consoles and PC, original Xbox perhaps? All during a mid-gen update? Like I said, give it a rest kid

@GioVela2010: 980ti, titans x/pascal/xp/V, 1070, 1070ti, 1080, 1080ti

Or do you mean 4-6 more?

And x360 was really giving top end pc's run for their money on launch, more so than One X

Titan X, Titan Z, 980ti all dip below 27 FPS @4K with Witcher 3, and x1x still looks better

@GioVela2010: what ever you say, but all the cards I listed have have more grunt than One X even in reference models, not to mention good 3rd party 980ti has up to 30% headroom

The performance is not even close when you factor in the shit CPU that the X1X has. The thing struggles to run games at even 60fps. FH3@30fps... LMAO. Meanwhile.... PC gamers are gaming on high refresh rate monitors at high frame rates and soon the BFGD display that consoles won't be able to take advantage of. Let's not forget the existing TVs that can do 1080p/120hz that the consoles also can't take advantage of and PC can. So much fake 4K with these consoles and they still can't do 60fps. LOL.

Really? I'll spell it out for you then, when you have ~280 million people using Steam, even a number as low as 3.1% is greater than the total number of Xbox One X's sold. Or in other words there are more PC gamers using more powerful hardware and that number increases dramatically as you move down the console power scale and take into account what is being used by the vast majority of console gamers, i.e. the PS4 and Xbox One.

Unless of course you can show that there are more than 8.4 million X1X's in use.

Lol at comparing bullet points instead of actual game performance.

Nothing special about BFGD because they’re still LCD, and LCD is shit.

I believe 4K VRR OLeD’s release this year, And X1X is already VRR capable.

I love how bassman spoke the truth , but u couldn't handle that the xb1x cpu problem is serious and at 500 is a waste of money.