3rd Gen Ryzen is really good.

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#1 Posted by JasonOfA36 (1297 posts) -

And this makes me hopeful for next gen consoles. Heck, even a 3700x consumes less power than a 2600x!

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#2 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31237 posts) -

I'll most likely be replacing my i7 4790k with a ryzen 3700x. Zen 2 is looking really good so far.

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#3 Edited by DaVillain- (36964 posts) -

I was mighty impress how AMD came this far with Ryzen 3000 series this time around and I didn't get the 2700X until much later. I'll be replacing it with 3900X at the end of the year though when all the hype dies down a bit and the benchmarks were really outstanding. Glad AMD is bringing competition in the CPU market and I'm also glad I didn't bother with i9 9900K cause I ain't going back to Intel.

3900X is an excellent choice as my all-around gaming & multitasking PC so this is exciting news for me. Multitasking is very important for me cause I do way more then just gaming on PC after all.

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#4 Posted by dxmcat (2686 posts) -

It took AMD 3 revisions to catch up to Intel's chip from last year.

Just wait until the beast awakens :P

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#5 Posted by UnrealGunner (1060 posts) -
@dxmcat said:

It took AMD 3 revisions to catch up to Intel's chip from last year.

Just wait until the beast awakens :P

What beast? Intel is stuck on 14nm for the time being the only advantage they have is higher clock speed

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#6 Posted by Howmakewood (5937 posts) -
@unrealgunner said:
@dxmcat said:

It took AMD 3 revisions to catch up to Intel's chip from last year.

Just wait until the beast awakens :P

What beast? Intel is stuck on 14nm for the time being the only advantage they have is higher clock speed

It isn't just higher clocks when it comes to games tho, core to core latency for example is still better on Intel

But is AMD that much behind in games for it to matter, while pretty much demolishing all productivity tasks and all that while running on less power...

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#7 Edited by Gatygun (1528 posts) -

Pretty much, ryzen is catching up atm. They are doing great. However there carpet tunnel syndrom of focusing on more cores instead of more ghz is really hurting them in the end.

Also those x570 boards seem to be a disaster and expensive. So there's that. They need to cut some prices pretty soon on those and start to figure out non active cooling on them.

9000 series of intel is still king of the hill for gaming.

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#8 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31237 posts) -

Seems like Zen 2 is a hit. But the X570 motherboards are a miss.

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#9 Posted by Fedor (5177 posts) -

Little disappointing with it's gaming performance and heat, still a good showing for AMD.

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#10 Posted by LocalBully (37 posts) -

@davillain- said:

I was mighty impress how AMD came this far with Ryzen 3000 series this time around and I didn't get the 2700X until much later. I'll be replacing it with 3900X at the end of the year though when all the hype dies down a bit and the benchmarks were really outstanding. Glad AMD is bringing competition in the CPU market and I'm also glad I didn't bother with i9 9900K cause I ain't going back to Intel.

3900X is an excellent choice as my all-around gaming & multitasking PC so this is exciting news for me. Multitasking is very important for me cause I do way more then just gaming on PC after all.

what kind of work you do other than gaming?.i too want to build a pc that can do programming work and bit of gaming. so i'm not sure whether to buy intel or AMD.

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#11 Edited by Yams1980 (3514 posts) -

Not as good as I thought it'd be in gaming, but still pretty huge increase. I'll wait a bit before upgrading my 4770k and see what AMD's next revisions to their cpus bring and also what Intel may come out with. I don't really need a ton of threads for gaming, just lots of gaming performance in my next upgrade for my main pc.

I got a first gen ryzen 1700x board I use for heavier multithreaded things, I'll check with gigabyte later on to see if the motherboard has any kind of compatibility with the 3700x cpus in the future. I don't really want to buy a brand new motherboard right away since there aren't many cheaper ones right now.

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#12 Posted by Fedor (5177 posts) -

@Yams1980: Pretty much all b350, b450, x370, and x470 gigabyte boards have a 3000 series supporting bios available since May.

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#13 Edited by Yams1980 (3514 posts) -

@fedor: very nice to hear. I have a B350 gigabyte board. I'll check it out and see what cpu i can toss into it.

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#14 Edited by pyro1245 (5065 posts) -

Looks like it....

Now I just need some info on next-gen Threadripper SKUs.

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#15 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3262 posts) -

I’ve got my motherboard and case ready. Just waiting on and deciding between the 12 core and 16 core.

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#16 Posted by PC_Rocks (2508 posts) -

Yup, they now just need to get their GPU division up to speed as well.

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#17 Posted by Howmakewood (5937 posts) -
@goldenelementxl said:

I’ve got my motherboard and case ready. Just waiting on and deciding between the 12 core and 16 core.

which mobo? the x570 seem pretty damn horrible, for some reason the chipset power consumption has gone up(and it's not due pci-e 4 as some say) and thanks to that like all of the mobos have these noisy little fans on em...

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#18 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31237 posts) -

@howmakewood: the only good ones seem to be the MSI ones. Because the fan isn't pointing at the GPU.

These tiny fans are stupid! Hope they reiterate on those.

MSI mobo's allow you to turn off the fan until a certain temperature... But what the hell is the right temperature for a mobo? :S

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#19 Posted by Howmakewood (5937 posts) -
@R4gn4r0k said:

@howmakewood: the only good ones seem to be the MSI ones. Because the fan isn't pointing at the GPU.

These tiny fans are stupid! Hope they reiterate on those.

MSI mobo's allow you to turn off the fan until a certain temperature... But what the hell is the right temperature for a mobo? :S

there's plenty of room on the board for a passive heat sink solution, yet they have gone the way of gazillion rpm fans instead...

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#20 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31237 posts) -

@howmakewood: x570 cheap-o fans is the dumbest thing about this ryzen series.

I'd rather get a x470 mobo at this point but that is not a perfect siutation either, because it needs to be flashed.

So I'm gonna wait for x470s that are flashed in advance or x570s that can find a better cooling solution...

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#21 Posted by Howmakewood (5937 posts) -
@R4gn4r0k said:

@howmakewood: x570 cheap-o fans is the dumbest thing about this ryzen series.

I'd rather get a x470 mobo at this point but that is not a perfect siutation either, because it needs to be flashed.

So I'm gonna wait for x470s that are flashed in advance or x570s that can find a better cooling solution...

yeah flashed 470 seems a way better option considering the performance differences seem to be pretty non existent

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#22 Posted by Gatygun (1528 posts) -

@howmakewood said:
@goldenelementxl said:

I’ve got my motherboard and case ready. Just waiting on and deciding between the 12 core and 16 core.

which mobo? the x570 seem pretty damn horrible, for some reason the chipset power consumption has gone up(and it's not due pci-e 4 as some say) and thanks to that like all of the mobos have these noisy little fans on em...

I think it has something to do with the ram modules they have a lot of issue's getting higher mhz ram working on those boards.

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#23 Edited by DaVillain- (36964 posts) -

@localbully said:
@davillain- said:

I was mighty impress how AMD came this far with Ryzen 3000 series this time around and I didn't get the 2700X until much later. I'll be replacing it with 3900X at the end of the year though when all the hype dies down a bit and the benchmarks were really outstanding. Glad AMD is bringing competition in the CPU market and I'm also glad I didn't bother with i9 9900K cause I ain't going back to Intel.

3900X is an excellent choice as my all-around gaming & multitasking PC so this is exciting news for me. Multitasking is very important for me cause I do way more then just gaming on PC after all.

what kind of work you do other than gaming?.i too want to build a pc that can do programming work and bit of gaming. so i'm not sure whether to buy intel or AMD.

Other then just gaming, I mainly do arts & pics like editing for my upcoming avatars/sigs pics. I also sometimes will upload a game from youtube & streaming through Twitch but I rarely do it nowadays but the best thing about AMD Ryzen CPU's are it's multitasking benefits that really does it well over Intel but Intel is still good for just pure gaming only. Gotta go with Ryzen such as 2700X or 3000 series to take advantage over it's multitasking with more cores/threads.

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#24 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31237 posts) -

@howmakewood: yup, but it still seems like gamble to me.

will the cpu run perfectly on a x470? How about the ram? will it perform at full speed?

Not an ideal situation. And I will read a lot more before I buy.

Again these professional reviews with 600-800dollar x570 mobo's don't seem all that helpful to your average gamer and I will be looking at consumer experiences.

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#25 Posted by Fedor (5177 posts) -

@R4gn4r0k: This video should help ya out.

https://youtu.be/45fQaCl9WlA

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#26 Posted by danjammer69 (4318 posts) -

OMG, did they change the format of the forum again?

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#27 Posted by DragonfireXZ95 (25389 posts) -

@danjammer69: Looks like it. And my reply/quote/mention buttons disappeared?

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#28 Posted by NoodleFighter (10357 posts) -

@DragonfireXZ95: yeah my reply/quote/mention buttons disappeared too

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#29 Posted by DaVillain- (36964 posts) -

I assume GS was trying to fix the flag button but ended up screwing up even further. No edit/replay/flag either and the layout seem to shrunk a little.

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#30 Posted by JasonOfA36 (1297 posts) -

@howmakewood, Steve from Gamers Nexus has pointed out that the i5 9 series are a bit worse compared to their Ryzen counterparts due to latency issues, so, yeah, seems like only the high-end Intel chips are better, unless you can justify a few frame increase for 100-200 bucks more.

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#31 Posted by JasonOfA36 (1297 posts) -

How the **** do I edit my post?

Anyway, @howmakewood, frame time consistency, not latency. My Bad.

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#32 Posted by mazuiface (898 posts) -

God damnit why do they keep changing this forum. It's horrible now.

Anyway, there are a handful of hilariously ignorant posts in this thread regarding AMD and the x570 chipset. Intel is literally only getting you 5-15 more fps for more money in most cases and a scheduler that cuts your fps down dramatically if you run any streaming software - where on Ryzen, you lose close to none. Regarding the active cooling on most of the x570 boards, the problem isn't the noise (lol) but the fact that they are probably going to die out - that being said, Gigabyte's Aorus x570 motherboards are the first true direct 14 + 2 phase VRM motherboards, literally some of the best consumer boards ever made - in addition to this, the Aorus Xtreme x570, while expensive at 600 USD, requires no active cooling, instead opting for quite beefy and aesthetically pleasing heat pipes.

Linus said it best in the video JasonOfA36 linked: "If you've got real work to do on your computer, get a 3rd Gen Ryzen" and it is still tough to justify the Intel chip because you are only getting a tiny amount more frames.

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#33 Posted by reavis86 (222 posts) -

Im one of the idiots who bought an i7 7700k a month before coffee lake realeased. So im stuck on a dead platform(z270) with a 4c8t cpu. Dont really want to upgrade yet, but I need to.

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#34 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3262 posts) -

@howmakewood I got the Asrock Taichi X570. Not gonna lie, I picked that board 100% based on aesthetics.

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#35 Posted by R4gn4r0k (31237 posts) -

@GoldenElementXL: How is the fan on that thing?

Holy hell,they broke the forum :0

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#36 Posted by DrLostRib (5005 posts) -

cool, probably get like a 3600x to replace my old ass 3570k

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#37 Edited by Gatygun (1528 posts) -

@reavis86 said:

Im one of the idiots who bought an i7 7700k a month before coffee lake realeased. So im stuck on a dead platform(z270) with a 4c8t cpu. Dont really want to upgrade yet, but I need to.

Why do you want to upgrade?, that cpu still rocks hard to this day.

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#38 Posted by GoldenElementXL (3262 posts) -

Just need a ATX case...

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#39 Posted by Gatygun (1528 posts) -

Which ryzen version? also can you run cemu and zelda botw and see your performance if you got it ready. i need it striaght into my feins.

Currently upgrading my own pc, so yea need some info on what you bought.

@goldenelementxl said:

Just need a ATX case...

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#40 Edited by GoldenElementXL (3262 posts) -

@Gatygun: I’ll be running the 12 core 3900X for now. It’s not installed yet because my current build is a mATX build and that form factor isn’t really supported these days. I’m being forced to go “full size” again, but I can’t just use a case I already own... I need something new! It’ll probably be a couple weeks before it’s done. But I’m also upgrading my itx build. That’s my emulation PC that will run my arcade cabinet stuff. I haven’t tried BOTW yet, but it’s currently running a 2600X and a 1660Ti. I’m going to upgrade that to a 3700X and either a 2070 Super or a 5700XT.

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#41 Posted by Gatygun (1528 posts) -

@goldenelementxl said:

@Gatygun: I’ll be running the 12 core 3900X for now. It’s not installed yet because my current build is a mATX build and that form factor isn’t really supported these days. I’m being forced to go “full size” again, but I can’t just use a case I already own... I need something new! It’ll probably be a couple weeks before it’s done. But I’m also upgrading my itx build. That’s my emulation PC that will run my arcade cabinet stuff. I haven’t tried BOTW yet, but it’s currently running a 2600X and a 1660Ti. I’m going to upgrade that to a 3700X and either a 2070 Super or a 5700XT.

Ah nice, gratz on your new setup tho.

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#42 Posted by Grey_Eyed_Elf (6460 posts) -

They are more than good, they literally made Intel's mainstream lineup completely irrelevant by matching the IPC of Intel but have more cores and threads in each price category, these are finally chips I can recommend for gaming over Intel.

That said they don't overclock well and my 4.8GHz 8700K is still top tog for gaming and i'll hold on to it until the competition starts to real keep up because AMD right now are competing against old chips on even old architectures and just caught up on the IPC.

If the rumours are true and intel is looking at 18+ IPC boost and they hit 10 cores on 20nm with their next chips then I think I'll stick with Intel unless AMD release something even better than that.

The future is looking bright now for the consumers when it comes to CPU's... Shame about the GPU market, those prices seem fixed.

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#43 Posted by remiks00 (3822 posts) -

Competition is looking good. I'm still rocking my i7 4770k / 1080TI.

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#44 Posted by ronvalencia (28096 posts) -

@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

They are more than good, they literally made Intel's mainstream lineup completely irrelevant by matching the IPC of Intel but have more cores and threads in each price category, these are finally chips I can recommend for gaming over Intel.

That said they don't overclock well and my 4.8GHz 8700K is still top tog for gaming and i'll hold on to it until the competition starts to real keep up because AMD right now are competing against old chips on even old architectures and just caught up on the IPC.

If the rumours are true and intel is looking at 18+ IPC boost and they hit 10 cores on 20nm with their next chips then I think I'll stick with Intel unless AMD release something even better than that.

The future is looking bright now for the consumers when it comes to CPU's... Shame about the GPU market, those prices seem fixed.

10 cores on 20 nm? it should be 10 cores on 10 nm UV

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#45 Edited by ronvalencia (28096 posts) -

@jasonofa36 said:
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And this makes me hopeful for next gen consoles. Heck, even a 3700x consumes less power than a 2600x!

Counter review https://techreport.com/review/34672/amd-ryzen-7-3700x-and-ryzen-9-3900x-cpus-reviewed/

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#46 Posted by Gatygun (1528 posts) -

That's so unlike ron, normally he always hypes amd up :P

Anyway, anybody that did tests and honestly says that same ipc performance wise ) a 4ghz 3900x is going to hold up in games with a 5ghz intel is honestly just fooling themselves. It makes no sense.

Also cores are only a minimum that you need, the moment you got enough its all about IPC and ghz on it.

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#47 Edited by Grey_Eyed_Elf (6460 posts) -

@ronvalencia said:
@Grey_Eyed_Elf said:

They are more than good, they literally made Intel's mainstream lineup completely irrelevant by matching the IPC of Intel but have more cores and threads in each price category, these are finally chips I can recommend for gaming over Intel.

That said they don't overclock well and my 4.8GHz 8700K is still top tog for gaming and i'll hold on to it until the competition starts to real keep up because AMD right now are competing against old chips on even old architectures and just caught up on the IPC.

If the rumours are true and intel is looking at 18+ IPC boost and they hit 10 cores on 20nm with their next chips then I think I'll stick with Intel unless AMD release something even better than that.

The future is looking bright now for the consumers when it comes to CPU's... Shame about the GPU market, those prices seem fixed.

10 cores on 20 nm? it should be 10 cores on 10 nm UV

meant 10nm... Typo.

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#48 Edited by ronvalencia (28096 posts) -

@Gatygun said:

That's so unlike ron, normally he always hypes amd up :P

Anyway, anybody that did tests and honestly says that same ipc performance wise ) a 4ghz 3900x is going to hold up in games with a 5ghz intel is honestly just fooling themselves. It makes no sense.

Also cores are only a minimum that you need, the moment you got enough its all about IPC and ghz on it.

Zen 2 is good, but not enough for upgrade performance jump from my current systems and Zen 3 7nm+ UV is planned for next year.

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#49 Posted by Xplode_games (1993 posts) -

Hang on a sec, who was it that argued with me in other threads about how their 4 core, 8 thread processor was not a bottleneck, how it was some sort of beast?

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#50 Edited by ronvalencia (28096 posts) -

@Xplode_games said:

Hang on a sec, who was it that argued with me in other threads about how their 4 core, 8 thread processor was not a bottleneck, how it was some sort of beast?

Such arguments wouldn't matter since Sony has set the future minimum PC CPU requirements i.e. 8 core Zen v2 for PS5.