360 holding back the PS3?

or is it actually more powerful than Sony's console, seeing that most multiplats look better on the 360?

360 is holding back the ps3

or PS3 is holding back the 360?

we all know that the xbox 360 can push almost twice as many polygons as the Ps3, so I think the 360 could potentially produce better graphics than the ps3 and it'd mean that many of us just bought in sony's pr **** that the ps3 is the most powerful console out there.

having both console I can see how the ps3 is a better multimedia system, much better than the 360 in that department, but if it wasn't for the exclusives and bluray, the ps3 would just be the worst system this gen.

and the effin system and game updates really ruin it for me, while on the 360 the same process is much much faster.

the 360 on the other hand sucks because it can scratch discs if you accidentally move it.. which shows how Ms doesn't even care about quality. I'd say that unlike the ps3, the 360 feels like a toy. Also the DVD9is kinda a big limitation, even Carmack stated that the 360 is the superior system but it'll probably get the worst version of Rage because of the compression sacrifices they gotta make in order to stuff all that data in 2 dvd's.

but the question is whether the 360 will ever show the theoretical higher graphics capabilities than the ps3. I guess we gotta wait for Gears 3 to figure that out.

Your holding back the PS3!

both statements are wrong, as long as x360 and ps3 stay in direct competition both companies try to convince us to buy their system by delivering what the other can't :S

I think that the 360 is more powerful at running games, better graphics and framerate, although ironically the graphics king are all on Ps3 now, but that's because Microsoft has a very thin first party support and maybe they don't care about pushing graphics.

but for gaming only the 360 takes the crown in terms of prowess, the ps3 has to really work hard on the Cell processor in order to make up for the weak graphics card and while they succeeded, I think the 360 can do more than that, the only limitation being the tiny 6,8 gb of storable data.

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

Developers are holding back the games because we keep buying the same stuff, and leaving the creative stuff on the shelves. No console is holding back the other, if that were the case then multiplats would look much better on the "superior" platform as they did last gen. This gen, they are so close it is not worth mentioning. Its tough to compare exclusives because they look different to every person, and supporters of that respective console will never concede to the other. These statements and articles are meant to fuel the console war and get web hits, nothing more. Looks like they succeeded ;)navyguy21

I think that the 360 is more powerful at running games, better graphics and framerate, although ironically the graphics king are all on Ps3 now, but that's because Microsoft has a very thin first party support and maybe they don't care about pushing graphics.

but for gaming only the 360 takes the crown in terms of prowess, the ps3 has to really work hard on the Cell processor in order to make up for the weak graphics card and while they succeeded, I think the 360 can do more than that, the only limitation being the tiny 6,8 gb of storable data.

aia89

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

EDIT: *looks at his other post*

nevermind, clearly you don't.

[QUOTE="aia89"]

I think that the 360 is more powerful at running games, better graphics and framerate, although ironically the graphics king are all on Ps3 now, but that's because Microsoft has a very thin first party support and maybe they don't care about pushing graphics.

but for gaming only the 360 takes the crown in terms of prowess, the ps3 has to really work hard on the Cell processor in order to make up for the weak graphics card and while they succeeded, I think the 360 can do more than that, the only limitation being the tiny 6,8 gb of storable data.

theuncharted34

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

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[QUOTE="aia89"]

I think that the 360 is more powerful at running games, better graphics and framerate, although ironically the graphics king are all on Ps3 now, but that's because Microsoft has a very thin first party support and maybe they don't care about pushing graphics.

but for gaming only the 360 takes the crown in terms of prowess, the ps3 has to really work hard on the Cell processor in order to make up for the weak graphics card and while they succeeded, I think the 360 can do more than that, the only limitation being the tiny 6,8 gb of storable data.

aia89

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

PS3 and 360 are the same.

PC is holding back consoles... devs shouldn't even work on PC games anymore, no one plays them.

[spoiler] :P [/spoiler]

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[QUOTE="aia89"]

I think that the 360 is more powerful at running games, better graphics and framerate, although ironically the graphics king are all on Ps3 now, but that's because Microsoft has a very thin first party support and maybe they don't care about pushing graphics.

but for gaming only the 360 takes the crown in terms of prowess, the ps3 has to really work hard on the Cell processor in order to make up for the weak graphics card and while they succeeded, I think the 360 can do more than that, the only limitation being the tiny 6,8 gb of storable data.

aia89

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

theuncharted34

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

aia89

[QUOTE="aia89"][QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

navyguy21

They are both holding back the pc.

Neither is really more powerfull.

I don't think any console is holding each other back. savetehhaloz

Developers are holding back the games because we keep buying the same stuff, and leaving the creative stuff on the shelves. No console is holding back the other, if that were the case then multiplats would look much better on the "superior" platform as they did last gen. This gen, they are so close it is not worth mentioning. Its tough to compare exclusives because they look different to every person, and supporters of that respective console will never concede to the other. These statements and articles are meant to fuel the console war and get web hits, nothing more. Looks like they succeeded ;)navyguy21

This year GOWIII won most of the best graphics award and last year was Uncharted 2. You can't argue against a fact...

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[QUOTE="aia89"]

I think that the 360 is more powerful at running games, better graphics and framerate, although ironically the graphics king are all on Ps3 now, but that's because Microsoft has a very thin first party support and maybe they don't care about pushing graphics.

but for gaming only the 360 takes the crown in terms of prowess, the ps3 has to really work hard on the Cell processor in order to make up for the weak graphics card and while they succeeded, I think the 360 can do more than that, the only limitation being the tiny 6,8 gb of storable data.

aia89

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

this is extremely amusing.

not only are you trying to defeat my proven fact, your quoting outdated sources.

Because a few months ago John carmack came out and said that the ps3 is marginally more powerful than the xbox 360. Do you know what marginally means? it means by an insignificant amount. So it goes without saying, that both of these platforms are largely the same hardware wise.

It's true that the 360's xenos graphics chip is superior to the ps3's rsx gpu, but on the flipside, the ps3's cell is superior to the xbox 360's xenon cpu.

And what the cell can do to go beyond the limitations of its gpu, is offload graphics processing to the cell's spe's. So therefore, these two consoles are extremely close in power, the only difference is the ps3 has a non - pc like and unique architecture.

And if you try to bring on paper performance of hardware into this argument, you'll look even more misinformed.

So the best thing to do would be to stop.

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Developers are holding back the games because we keep buying the same stuff, and leaving the creative stuff on the shelves. No console is holding back the other, if that were the case then multiplats would look much better on the "superior" platform as they did last gen. This gen, they are so close it is not worth mentioning. Its tough to compare exclusives because they look different to every person, and supporters of that respective console will never concede to the other. These statements and articles are meant to fuel the console war and get web hits, nothing more. Looks like they succeeded ;)Gue1

This year GOWIII won most of the best graphics award and last year was Uncharted 2. You can't argue against a fact...

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Developers are holding back the games because we keep buying the same stuff, and leaving the creative stuff on the shelves. No console is holding back the other, if that were the case then multiplats would look much better on the "superior" platform as they did last gen. This gen, they are so close it is not worth mentioning. Its tough to compare exclusives because they look different to every person, and supporters of that respective console will never concede to the other. These statements and articles are meant to fuel the console war and get web hits, nothing more. Looks like they succeeded ;)Gue1

This year GOWIII won most of the best graphics award and last year was Uncharted 2. You can't argue against a fact...

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

I don't think you have a clue what you're talking about.

theuncharted34

this is extremely amusing.

not only are you trying to defeat my proven fact, your quoting outdated sources.

Because a few months ago John carmack came out and said that the ps3 is marginally more powerful than the xbox 360. Do you know what marginally means? it means by an insignificant amount. So it goes without saying, that both of these platforms are largely the same hardware wise.

It's true that the 360's xenos graphics chip is superior to the ps3's rsx gpu, but on the flipside, the ps3's cell is superior to the xbox 360's xenon cpu.

And what the cell can do to go beyond the limitations of its gpu, is offload graphics processing to the cell's spe's. So therefore, these two consoles are extremely close in power, the only difference is the ps3 has a non - pc like and unique architecture.

And if you try to bring on paper performance of hardware into this argument, you'll look even more misinformed.

So the best thing to do would be to stop.

link or it didn't happen

[QUOTE="navyguy21"]Developers are holding back the games because we keep buying the same stuff, and leaving the creative stuff on the shelves. No console is holding back the other, if that were the case then multiplats would look much better on the "superior" platform as they did last gen. This gen, they are so close it is not worth mentioning. Its tough to compare exclusives because they look different to every person, and supporters of that respective console will never concede to the other. These statements and articles are meant to fuel the console war and get web hits, nothing more. Looks like they succeeded ;)Gue1

This year GOWIII won most of the best graphics award and last year was Uncharted 2. You can't argue against a fact...

PS3 exclusives are proof that the ps3 is more powerful. If the 360 were more powerful, as you say, than its exclusives would prove otherwise.

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[QUOTE="aia89"] carmack himself said that the 360 can push more polygons than the PS3 and that the only big limitation for the 360 is the dvd limited storage.

aia89

this is extremely amusing.

not only are you trying to defeat my proven fact, your quoting outdated sources.

Because a few months ago John carmack came out and said that the ps3 is marginally more powerful than the xbox 360. Do you know what marginally means? it means by an insignificant amount. So it goes without saying, that both of these platforms are largely the same hardware wise.

It's true that the 360's xenos graphics chip is superior to the ps3's rsx gpu, but on the flipside, the ps3's cell is superior to the xbox 360's xenon cpu.

And what the cell can do to go beyond the limitations of its gpu, is offload graphics processing to the cell's spe's. So therefore, these two consoles are extremely close in power, the only difference is the ps3 has a non - pc like and unique architecture.

And if you try to bring on paper performance of hardware into this argument, you'll look even more misinformed.

So the best thing to do would be to stop.

link or it didn't happen

Link

It happened. It's funny that you don't understand what a marginal difference is.

EDIT: the link got kind of messed up somehow, you'll have to scroll all the way down almost.

PS3 exclusives are proof that the ps3 is more powerful. If the 360 were more powerful, as you say, than its exclusives would prove otherwise.

Pug-Nasty

I don't understand that. When Gears 1 came out, no game on the PS3 could touch it. Does that mean the 360 was more powerful?

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PS3 exclusives are proof that the ps3 is more powerful. If the 360 were more powerful, as you say, than its exclusives would prove otherwise.

waltefmoney

I don't understand that. When Gears 1 came out, no game on the PS3 could touch it. Does that mean the 360 was more powerful?

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[QUOTE="theuncharted34"]

this is extremely amusing.

not only are you trying to defeat my proven fact, your quoting outdated sources.

Because a few months ago John carmack came out and said that the ps3 is marginally more powerful than the xbox 360. Do you know what marginally means? it means by an insignificant amount. So it goes without saying, that both of these platforms are largely the same hardware wise.

It's true that the 360's xenos graphics chip is superior to the ps3's rsx gpu, but on the flipside, the ps3's cell is superior to the xbox 360's xenon cpu.

And what the cell can do to go beyond the limitations of its gpu, is offload graphics processing to the cell's spe's. So therefore, these two consoles are extremely close in power, the only difference is the ps3 has a non - pc like and unique architecture.

And if you try to bring on paper performance of hardware into this argument, you'll look even more misinformed.

So the best thing to do would be to stop.

theuncharted34

link or it didn't happen

Link

It happened. It's funny that you don't understand what a marginal difference is.

EDIT: the link got kind of messed up somehow, you'll have to scroll all the way down almost.

I understand what "marginal difference" means, it's just that I needed the link to have a good read and to compare that content to what it was stated in this very section where someone linked a video with Carmack stating that the 360 is the superior system. thanks for the link

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

aia89

jesus... Why did I take you seriously?

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[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

PS3 exclusives are proof that the ps3 is more powerful. If the 360 were more powerful, as you say, than its exclusives would prove otherwise.

navyguy21

I don't understand that. When Gears 1 came out, no game on the PS3 could touch it. Does that mean the 360 was more powerful?

Sure was, the ps3 hadn't even released yet (at least in the states). Since then a lot of games have come out for ps3 that not only look better in a still photo, but look better in motion. When the 360 has a game that looks better than anything on ps3, if it ever gets one again, you will have proof that it is more powerful, until the ps3 gets a game, if it does, that disproves that.

Simple enough?

Sure was, the ps3 hadn't even released yet (at least in the states). Since then a lot of games have come out for ps3 that not only look better in a still photo, but look better in motion. When the 360 has a game that looks better than anything on ps3, if it ever gets one again, you will have proof that it is more powerful, until the ps3 gets a game, if it does, that disproves that.

Simple enough?

Pug-Nasty

So the PS3 hardware was upgraded for the US release? Interesting.

I think both consoles are about on par. PS3 has advantages over 360 and vice versa.

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PS3 exclusives are proof that the ps3 is more powerful. If the 360 were more powerful, as you say, than its exclusives would prove otherwise.

waltefmoney

I don't understand that. When Gears 1 came out, no game on the PS3 could touch it. Does that mean the 360 was more powerful?

when Gears came out, it was just the unreal 3 engine which never saw light on the ps3 untill 2007 with unreal tournament 3. now uncharted: drake's fortune got released that year and looked pretty beast. Was the general consensus that it looked better than gears 1? i honestly don't remember. Never even tried the game until like mid 2008.

Neither console is holding the other back. Their strengths and weaknesses have been revealed and they belong to each console respectively. How would the consoles hold eachother back when it comes to exclusives? They wouldn't - this argument is pointless.

[QUOTE="Pug-Nasty"]

Sure was, the ps3 hadn't even released yet (at least in the states). Since then a lot of games have come out for ps3 that not only look better in a still photo, but look better in motion. When the 360 has a game that looks better than anything on ps3, if it ever gets one again, you will have proof that it is more powerful, until the ps3 gets a game, if it does, that disproves that.

Simple enough?

waltefmoney

So the PS3 hardware was upgraded for the US release? Interesting.

Yeah, that's all I said.

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

theuncharted34

jesus... Why did I take you seriously?

Most devs are interested in going multiplat to have almost double the userbase to market their game too, so these games will have the weaknesses of both systems and not very much of their strengths. Bluray in particular, where the dev could spend all that money to make complex video files and content like in MGS4 but what's the point if only half the potential market will see it?? Plus, it would probably sour relations with MS to release a ps3 version with more content

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

aia89

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[QUOTE="aia89"] yes but in the graphics department 500 >>> 275 million polygons, so theoretically the 360 can do more than the ps3, but it lacks devs that focus on pushing the hardware. aia89

jesus... Why did I take you seriously?

I'm not the one posting theoretical numbers that are numbers if the xbox 360 were only pushing raw polygon's without any textures, lighting or effects :|

I'm pretty sure I've defended the 360 in arguments as many times as I have the ps3, and I don't even own a 360. having both consoles doesn't keep someone from being a fanboy. which I doubt you do own both. And if you did, again, it doesn't keep you from acting how you just did.

They're the same. :)

Developers are holding back the games because we keep buying the same stuff, and leaving the creative stuff on the shelves. No console is holding back the other, if that were the case then multiplats would look much better on the "superior" platform as they did last gen. This gen, they are so close it is not worth mentioning. Its tough to compare exclusives because they look different to every person, and supporters of that respective console will never concede to the other. These statements and articles are meant to fuel the console war and get web hits, nothing more. Looks like they succeeded ;)navyguy21

Console fanboys say stuff like this, then say that pc graphics aren't that much better. System wars sure is funny.

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for around the 124,457 time, the playstation 3 and the xbox 360 are pretty much on par.

theuncharted34

Sadly, nobody in SW will want to hear this. Cows especially.