343i and Microsoft possibly discussing canceling Halo Infinite for the Xbox One (Rumor)

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#1 ProtossRushX
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https://www.videogameschronicle.com/news/halo-infinite-could-drop-its-xbox-one-version-its-been-claimed/

I mean this would go against everything Phil Spencer stands for about xbox's cross-gen strategy to support the xbox one and xb1 x for the next 2 years.

Some things in the article are saying that the game currently runs below 900p on xb1 and xb1 s and that it could be delayed as far out as 2022.

Where do you stand on this? Do you want the better game on just the X-series platform or do you want it cross-gen and be able to still play it on xb1 too?

Where do you Stand here?

As for me I think they should go all out with a next gen only route for the game. Even if it only is like an expansion of an xb1 at this point since it was original developed for the xb1 it probably can't be a true next gen game.

Still it would be better for the game at this point to probably ditch the xb1 version even if it pisses off some fans like x owners and stuff. Eh they had a good run for what 2 years or so.

They really need this to be the best halo ever and I don't think it can be if its on xb1 this could be a blessing in disguise. It's awkward for Phil to go back on his word here but its what's best for the game, and its what's best for business.

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#2 I_P_Daily
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@ProtossRushX: What's your gamertag for the 18th time???

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#3 SUD123456
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What would Craig do?

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#4  Edited By Telekill
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Umm? Yay?

Doesn't matter what they do with it, I wouldn't be buying an Xbox or the game.

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#5 GoldenElementXL
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Never use a YouTuber as a source.

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#6 ProtossRushX
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@goldenelementxl said:

Never use a YouTuber as a source.

There an article a "xbox leaker" named "sponger" from resetera found all this stuff out

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No one likes you Tc.

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#8 lundy86_4
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Doubtful.

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#9 GoldenElementXL
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@ProtossRushX: You have a link to a thread or post? I’m not seeing anything

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#10 NathanDrakeSwag
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They should cancel the whole game and shut 343 down.

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#11  Edited By Sevenizz
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I think it’s time to give some posters a cool down of how many threads they can create in a week. Maybe once a week? I don’t support a ban - (even though the amount of fake treads this poster creates is astronomical), but definitely a cool down. A plastic box he doesn’t even own is pushing his sanity to its limit.

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@goldenelementxl said:

@ProtossRushX: You have a link to a thread or post? I’m not seeing anything

It's a post from an Xbox "insider" at ResetEra. He also claims the game will be pushed into 2022. I would typically say it's horseshit, but Xbox insiders NEVER share bad news about Xbox-related stuff... so, maybe? Grain of salt I guess. The games press is running with it anyway.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-game-studios-otxi-grounded-in-reality.267597/page-31#post-43275327

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@lundy86_4 said:

Doubtful.

What if 343i just can't build a great game for the x-series x and still scale it down all the way to xb1 .

You've got 5 systems and 343i not great as it is they can barely do one system right.

XB-series x

XB-series s

XB One X

XB One and XB One S

Thats basically 5 systems spanning 2 generations maybe they can't do it all. Maybe thats why Halo Infinite wasn't looking great in the gameplay department.

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#16 schu
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I think it's a really good idea. It will make the game better because they won't have to support the old stuff. Move on. That's how console generations work.

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#17  Edited By sakaiXx
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@schu said:

I think it's a really good idea. It will make the game better because they won't have to support the old stuff. Move on. That's how console generations work.

Cerny was right all along.

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#18 GoldenElementXL
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@BenjaminBanklin: There’s Era mods vouching for the insider. Hmm...

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#19 onesiphorus
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Gamers need to use discernment when reading sources as most of them are questionable. The nature of the Internet makes false information easily available.

If something is too good to be true, then it is.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@goldenelementxl said:

@ProtossRushX: You have a link to a thread or post? I’m not seeing anything

It's a post from an Xbox "insider" at ResetEra. He also claims the game will be pushed into 2022. I would typically say it's horseshit, but Xbox insiders NEVER share bad news about Xbox-related stuff... so, maybe? Grain of salt I guess. The games press is running with it anyway.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-game-studios-otxi-grounded-in-reality.267597/page-31#post-43275327

A moderator of that site did vouch for sponge butI I really have no idea how resetera works.

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#21  Edited By nepu7supastar7
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@ProtossRushX:

If Halo Infinite tanks, it's not going to be because of its performance. Canceling the Xbone version will only hurt sales so....unless 343i wants to shoot themselves in the foot, I see no benefit from this. It's just the fucking graphics we're talking about! That's not going to make the game good.

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LOL.........Cowspot continues.

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@BenjaminBanklin said:
@goldenelementxl said:

@ProtossRushX: You have a link to a thread or post? I’m not seeing anything

It's a post from an Xbox "insider" at ResetEra. He also claims the game will be pushed into 2022. I would typically say it's horseshit, but Xbox insiders NEVER share bad news about Xbox-related stuff... so, maybe? Grain of salt I guess. The games press is running with it anyway.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/xbox-game-studios-otxi-grounded-in-reality.267597/page-31#post-43275327

It would be a wise decision at this point to cut ties with Xbox One version cause the tech itself is outdated and even the base Xbox One will have issues of running the game. I get that Phil wants to support cross-gen but stuff like this isn't going to work.

One thing about the ResetEra. It was never proven he made it up nor can anyone provide proof of him admitting he made it up. We only have the word of ResetEra, he stands by his comments and says that time will prove him right. And another thing that Ahmed guy was actually banned from ResetEra for making stuff up and Jason Schreier is a proven Sony fanboy.

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#24 deactivated-5f58f7bf5ecf3
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Bu...bu....but I thought Halo: Infinite was doing fine, and there were no problems? I thought they outsourced so late in development because the game was perfectly fine?

/s

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#25 Ant_17
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But Phil said the bone wasn't holding next gen back?

It's just a pc.

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Well personally I wouldn’t care if they drop the Xbox One version but it would suck for those who want that version. If it causing that much of a problem though then they should probably just drop it. Sometimes sacrifices must be made.

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@Ant_17 said:

But Phil said the bone wasn't holding next gen back?

It's just a pc.

He could be pivoting again.

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#28 WitIsWisdom
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but I thought the Xbox One wouldn't hold the Xbox Series X back... very interesting.

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@subspecies_ii said:

Bu...bu....but I thought Halo: Infinite was doing fine, and there were no problems? I thought they outsourced so late in development because the game was perfectly fine?

/s

You talking about that Sperasoft thing that was announced a year prior? From this thread?

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/343-so-incompetent-they-called-a-second-dev-to-fix-33502334/?page=1

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#30 mrbojangles25
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It was a big mistake (imo) to make a flagship title "cross-gen". Should have just gone all-in and make it for the new system.

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#31  Edited By Basinboy
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Personally I’m in favor of the move, in theory. I don’t know if it’s going to fix the perceived problems but I’m on the side that thinks trying to keep older devices alive is counterproductive, especially with games from 1st party studios.

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#32  Edited By deactivated-5f58f7bf5ecf3
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@fedor said:
@subspecies_ii said:

Bu...bu....but I thought Halo: Infinite was doing fine, and there were no problems? I thought they outsourced so late in development because the game was perfectly fine?

/s

You talking about that Sperasoft thing that was announced a year prior? From this thread?

https://www.gamespot.com/forums/system-wars-314159282/343-so-incompetent-they-called-a-second-dev-to-fix-33502334/?page=1

Um, yep. Game was troubled from the start. Obvs, dude.

Slight sarcasm aside, are you trying to argue that 4 years into a 5 year development cycle isn't late in said development cycle?

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@Sevenizz said:

I think it’s time to give some posters a cool down of how many threads they can create in a week. Maybe once a week? I don’t support a ban - (even though the amount of fake treads this poster creates is astronomical), but definitely a cool down. A plastic box he doesn’t even own is pushing his sanity to its limit.

At least he's posting something regularly. Sounds like someone is jelly.

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#34 Zero_epyon
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That’s an easy rumor to start since there are some who would like this to happen.

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#35 deactivated-5f58f7bf5ecf3
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@Sevenizz said:

I think it’s time to give some posters a cool down of how many threads they can create in a week. Maybe once a week? I don’t support a ban - (even though the amount of fake treads this poster creates is astronomical), but definitely a cool down. A plastic box he doesn’t even own is pushing his sanity to its limit.

How about a mandate that he starts making anti-PS5 threads instead.

Let's see you complain then.

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#36 LouiXIII
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@ProtossRushX: If it happens I wouldn't be surprised. Phil is known to back pedal.

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#37 ProtossRushX
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Nah. It should be a very simple thing to scale games between the two systems.

Dude are you Phil Spencer himself? You parrot everything he says about how everything is just a PC now and can scale up and down and how easy it is. But with the news now your saying eh if its too big deal for 343i eh just cut it loose. Dude you just said how easy was to include xb1 before. You pivot as much as Phil does.

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#38 Archangel3371
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@ProtossRushX: I believe that comment was made in relation to the Series S and Series X systems not the Xbox One and the Xbox Series systems.

However I did think that it wouldn’t have been too difficult to make games compatible with both this current gen and next gen systems but if I’m wrong then I’m wrong. I’m not a programmer or hardware engineer so it’s not like I’m going to stake any claims on that either way.

Anyway if it’s proving to be too difficult of a task then I simply don’t have a problem with them dropping. Just like I don’t have a problem with a developer who makes a game that is cross-gen. 🤷‍♂️

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Wondering. Xbox one sure is not a good machine but is xbox ignoring Xbox one X as well? Thought that thing is well capabled.

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@Archangel3371 said:

@ProtossRushX: I believe that comment was made in relation to the Series S and Series X systems not the Xbox One and the Xbox Series systems.

However I did think that it wouldn’t have been too difficult to make games compatible with both this current gen and next gen systems but if I’m wrong then I’m wrong. I’m not a programmer or hardware engineer so it’s not like I’m going to stake any claims on that either way.

Anyway if it’s proving to be too difficult of a task then I simply don’t have a problem with them dropping. Just like I don’t have a problem with a developer who makes a game that is cross-gen. 🤷‍♂️

No you weren't talking just about s and x cause you said this too. So you are not a dev then why did you make all those claims you could have just said you prefer cross gen for a few years and left it at that. But you went further tried to call out people didn't do cross-gen cause it's so easy. You should apologize Sony and Insomniac Games couldn't scale there game back cause it wasn't as easy as you thought there making a next gen title they can't magically make it work on ps4 dude. Look at 343 trying.

@Archangel3371 said:

I think cross gen is fine for the first couple of years. It usually takes that long for devs to start truly taking advantage of the new hardware anyway. Plus it’s not like they can’t make the games scalable, PCs have been doing it pretty much forever.

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#41  Edited By LouiXIII
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@ProtossRushX said:
@Archangel3371 said:

Nah. It should be a very simple thing to scale games between the two systems.

Dude are you Phil Spencer himself? You parrot everything he says about how everything is just a PC now and can scale up and down and how easy it is. But with the news now your saying eh if its too big deal for 343i eh just cut it loose. Dude you just said how easy was to include xb1 before. You pivot as much as Phil does.

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#43 Archangel3371
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@ProtossRushX: Why’d you waste your time getting that other post? Like I said that first quote you got of mine was in reference to the Series S and Series X and scaling between those two systems but I did also admit to saying similar about cross-gen games just like in that second quote that you pulled up.

Where exactly did I “call out people” about it though? Can’t say that I recall doing that exactly.

Regardless like I said it’s not like I’m a programmer or hardware engineer so it’s not like I was trying to put any degree of credibility on what I was saying. If I’m wrong then I’m wrong. Maybe some developers would be more adept at making cross-gen titles, maybe not.

I really don’t care that much either way personally. I think that it’s a good thing to do if you can but if it’s really too difficult then so be it.

Apologize to Sony or Insomniac? I really don’t think that they care if I did or not. 😅

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#44 Archangel3371
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@louixiii: What “bullshit” though? Like I told him that was between scaling games between the Series X and Series S. It’s not like I’m trying to force my opinions as holding any more credibility then anyone else’s.

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#45  Edited By Chozofication
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I honestly can't believe an xbox one version was even considered. They need games to show off the series x, not games to hold it back.

It's funny because it's not even so much a power issue, but technical expertise is (seemingly) lacking in infinite and they spread themselves too thin. I mean they'll never be bungie ; odst night levels are something to see. Reach was great besides the blur.

Best 343 ever did was halo 4, and even then it missed bungie's technical high notes.

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#47  Edited By Daredevils2k
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If true, sucks for the people who bought the most powerful brick ever made hoping to play halo INF. But I feel this is for the best for xbsex owners.

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The funniest part about all of this, if true, is the folks that insist on arguing that XSX is not being held back by the XB1. I mean, it should be pretty obvious by this point.

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#49 BenjaminBanklin
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@davillain- said:

It would be a wise decision at this point to cut ties with Xbox One version cause the tech itself is outdated and even the base Xbox One will have issues of running the game. I get that Phil wants to support cross-gen but stuff like this isn't going to work.

One thing about the ResetEra. It was never proven he made it up nor can anyone provide proof of him admitting he made it up. We only have the word of ResetEra, he stands by his comments and says that time will prove him right. And another thing that Ahmed guy was actually banned from ResetEra for making stuff up and Jason Schreier is a proven Sony fanboy.

I personally think it's a given that the Xbox One version is doomed. it doesn't seem like nursing the current gen is an idea MS wants to do anymore since they flip-flopped on the notion pretty quick. ResetEra's insiders usually have pretty bad track records though, as a lot of them tend to be console fanboys clout chasing with wish lists. E3 time is particularly bad. They've run so many insiders off the site it would make your head spin.

I never saw Jason Schreier as a console fanboy. The difference between him and the other goons is he's an actual accredited journalist, with sources. Not just a game journalist, which isn't even a journalist at all, just a glorified PR enthusiast like any entertainment-based rag. So the things he says tend to check out at least.

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#50 hardwenzen
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They should have done this the second the game was announced for the seriousBox. Or at least only release the multiplayer portion for the Xbone. Since they haven't done this, they've spent too much time with Xbone version, now both versions are ruined, and for the game to look good, they would need to rework a bunch of shit, which would take an addtional 2 plus years. It ain't happening, so no matter what happens, the end product on the seriousBox will look bad.