I can't believe how people can come up with dump things like : " teh game is 1080i , it's only upscaled to 1080p 11!1!1! " . 1080 = 1080 . the only difference between the 2 resolution , it's the way the picture is rendered on the screen . Stop being dumb people and start thinking . here a link , it might teach you something : http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/24/ask-hdbeat-how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-1080i-and-1080/ There is so such thing as 1080i upscaled to 1080p . since it's the same freaking scale . maybe the SW IQ will rise now
Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.
Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.ramey70
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution .
[QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.Prid3r
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution . Not exactly. They are displayed on the screen entirely differently.
Natively outputting p and i make all the difference in the world when it comes to games.
Without making a long post, you can check on it your self.
Natively, 1080i @60Hz = a max of 30fps. (half a frame for each refresh) 1080p @ 60hz = a max of 60fps (one frame for each refresh)
1080i upsacled to 1080p @ 60Hz is still a max of 30fps. Yes it's smoother, because the whole frame is rendered in one pass, but it's rendering the same frame twice, thus a max of 30 fps.
It's not the same, big deal for games, although for movies very close. I don't see what the problem with 720p is, although I don't own a 50+" HDTV.
I have a 56" 1080p set and I can't tell the difference when I'm feeding a 1080p signal or 1080i signal. I do notice a major difference in the actual display however (I have an older 57" 1080i set as well). Â
I did not think there was ever an arguement about the actual scale being changed..... 1080 is 1080 The arguement is over the actual differences between interlaced and progressive. In reality you cant tell a difference on a TV less than 50 inches or that an average HD tv is not playing a rapidly moving picture like a sports broadcast. It does require significantly more bandwidth to broadcast interlaced signals.
I did not think there was ever an arguement about the actual scale being changed..... 1080 is 1080 The arguement is over the actual differences between interlaced and progressive. In reality you cant tell a difference on a TV less than 50 inches or that an average HD tv is not playing a rapidly moving picture like a sports broadcast. It does require significantly more bandwidth to broadcast interlaced signals.Tib3ron
i think that it's the other way around. interlaced requires less bandwdth because only half of the data is transfered in the same amount of time. Effectiely 720p and 1080i should require approximately the same bandwidth because 720 is (roughly) half the pixels of 1080, and i is half of p.
I can't believe how people can come up with dump things like : " teh game is 1080i , it's only upscaled to 1080p 11!1!1! " . 1080 = 1080 . the only difference between the 2 resolution , it's the way the picture is rendered on the screen . Stop being dumb people and start thinking . here a link , it might teach you something : http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/24/ask-hdbeat-how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-1080i-and-1080/ There is so such thing as 1080i upscaled to 1080p . since it's the same freaking scale . maybe the SW IQ will rise now Prid3r
You are totally wrong about 1080p and 1080i being the same resoolution.  1920 x 1080 is the resolution for 1080p  and 1366 x 768 is the resolution for 1080i.   That is a huge difference. Check your facts before you argue.
[QUOTE="Prid3r"]I can't believe how people can come up with dump things like : " teh game is 1080i , it's only upscaled to 1080p 11!1!1! " . 1080 = 1080 . the only difference between the 2 resolution , it's the way the picture is rendered on the screen . Stop being dumb people and start thinking . here a link , it might teach you something : http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/24/ask-hdbeat-how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-1080i-and-1080/ There is so such thing as 1080i upscaled to 1080p . since it's the same freaking scale . maybe the SW IQ will rise now VladTheImpaler
You are totally wrong about 1080p and 1080i being the same resoolution.  1920 x 1080 is the resolution for 1080p  and 1366 x 768 is the resolution for 1080i.   That is a huge difference. Check your facts before you argue.
[QUOTE="Prid3r"]I can't believe how people can come up with dump things like : " teh game is 1080i , it's only upscaled to 1080p 11!1!1! " . 1080 = 1080 . the only difference between the 2 resolution , it's the way the picture is rendered on the screen . Stop being dumb people and start thinking . here a link , it might teach you something : http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/24/ask-hdbeat-how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-1080i-and-1080/ There is so such thing as 1080i upscaled to 1080p . since it's the same freaking scale . maybe the SW IQ will rise now VladTheImpaler
You are totally wrong about 1080p and 1080i being the same resoolution.  1920 x 1080 is the resolution for 1080p  and 1366 x 768 is the resolution for 1080i.   That is a huge difference. Check your facts before you argue.
It's ironic that you're telling him to check his facts when you haven't even checked your own. :|
1366 x 768 is in the same league as 720p. You may see televisions advertising 1080i with that resolution and the image is scaled down to 1366 x 768 instead of the full 1920 x 1080 resoultion it's set to display in.
^^ I second that. 1920x1080 is 1080, regardless of interlaced or progressive. michaelareb0001
The big difference is that 1080p requires pumping twice as much graphical data in the same amount of time as 1080i. Read some of the posts above to learn the difference.
It's ironic that you're telling him to check his facts when you haven't even checked your own. :|
1366 x 768 is in the same league as 720p. You may see televisions advertising 1080i with that resolution and the image is scaled down to 1366 x 768 instead of the full 1920 x 1080 resoultion it's set to display in.
The_Game21x
Well, let's just say it's a lot easier to accomodate a 1080i signal with only 768 physical lines of resolution, since only 540 lines are updated per cycle.
It's ironic that you're telling him to check his facts when you haven't even checked your own. :|
1366 x 768 is in the same league as 720p. You may see televisions advertising 1080i with that resolution and the image is scaled down to 1366 x 768 instead of the full 1920 x 1080 resoultion it's set to display in.
HuusAsking
Well, let's just say it's a lot easier to accomodate a 1080i signal with only 768 physical lines of resolution, since only 540 lines are updated per cycle.
That's exactly what I was trying to say but I couldn't think of the right words.
[QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.Prid3r
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution . Umm No... Interlace it scans every other line... Progressive scans everyline.. So 1080p gives better resolution...
[QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.GloverD
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution . Umm No... Interlace it scans every other line... Progressive scans everyline.. So 1080p gives better resolution...More specifically, in the time a 1080i signal transmits the data from half the screen, a 1080p signal transmits the entire screen.
1366 x 768 can display both 720p and 1080i, since it has enough pixels that it can accomidate both 540 simeltaneous lines (1080i) or 720 simeltaneous lines (720p). 1080p TVs are the true holy grail though because they have 1080 simeltaneous lines, which is double the resolution of 1080i and nearly 30% more than 720p.
[QUOTE="Prid3r"]I can't believe how people can come up with dump things like : " teh game is 1080i , it's only upscaled to 1080p 11!1!1! " . 1080 = 1080 . the only difference between the 2 resolution , it's the way the picture is rendered on the screen . Stop being dumb people and start thinking . here a link , it might teach you something : http://www.engadgethd.com/2006/07/24/ask-hdbeat-how-can-i-tell-the-difference-between-1080i-and-1080/ There is so such thing as 1080i upscaled to 1080p . since it's the same freaking scale . maybe the SW IQ will rise now VladTheImpaler
You are totally wrong about 1080p and 1080i being the same resoolution. 1920 x 1080 is the resolution for 1080p and 1366 x 768 is the resolution for 1080i. That is a huge difference. Check your facts before you argue.
1366 x 768 can display both 720p and 1080i, since it has enough pixels that it can accomidate both 540 simeltaneous lines (1080i) or 720 simeltaneous lines (720p). 1080p TVs are the true holy grail though because they have 1080 simeltaneous lines, which is double the resolution of 1080i and nearly 30% more than 720p.Timstuff
It's ironic that you're telling him to check his facts when you haven't even checked your own. :|
1366 x 768 is in the same league as 720p. You may see televisions advertising 1080i with that resolution and the image is scaled down to 1366 x 768 instead of the full 1920 x 1080 resoultion it's set to display in.
HuusAsking
Well, let's just say it's a lot easier to accomodate a 1080i signal with only 768 physical lines of resolution, since only 540 lines are updated per cycle. MY GOD, THE IGNORANCE! Seriously people, why is this so hard to understand? A 1080i frame HAS TO BE 1920 pixels wide AND 1080 pixels tall! A 1080i frame IS NOT 540 lines tall. It CANNOT fit in a 1366x768 screen without being SCALED. Yes, 1080i only updates 540 lines per cycle, but those 540 lines are ALTERNATING. The screen itself STILL NEEDS 1080 lines in order to fully display a 1080i frame with no scaling.
[QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.HuusAsking
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution . Umm No... Interlace it scans every other line... Progressive scans everyline.. So 1080p gives better resolution...More specifically, in the time a 1080i signal transmits the data from half the screen, a 1080p signal transmits the entire screen. WRONG. What you say is only true IF you have a video source that sends out brand-new frames 60 times per second (i.e. at 60fps). HOWEVER, the VAST majority of 1080p content does NOT refresh at 60fps. All television content is hard-locked at 30fps, and all film content is hard-locked at 24fps. And there will only be a handful of games at 1080p 60fps. At 30fps and 24fps, 1080p is NO BETTER THAN 1080i in terms of the amount of USABLE VIDEO DATA delivered, because both only deliver 24 or 30 frames per second, depending on the source content. In fact, at 30fps, 1080p is half as efficient as 1080i because 1080p sends every complete frame twice in order to keep up with the 60Hz signal, whereas 1080i just sends the complete frame once and lets the target device handle the deinterlacing.
[QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.ramey70
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution . Not exactly. They are displayed on the screen entirely differently. They're are still the same RESOLUTION. Only difference is Interlaced and Progressive scan.
[QUOTE="ramey70"][QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much._AsasN_
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution . Not exactly. They are displayed on the screen entirely differently. They're are still the same RESOLUTION. Only difference is Interlaced and Progressive scan. And if you have a good de-interlacer, they're virtually indistinguishable.
From what I understand 720p is superior to 1080i unless your watching some slow paced movie flick. Because at least the 720p isn't working as hard as the 1080i at its frames per second. 1080p is the first to offer 60 frames per second I believe. Im personally saving for a Westinghouse 37 inch 1080p. Here is a helpful link about it. http://www.westinghousedigital.com/1080p_tour.html
[QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.Prid3r
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution .
Actually, 1080p runs at twice the refresh rate of 1080i.
[QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.psycotictaratua
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution .
Actually, 1080p runs at twice the refresh rate of 1080i. Which doesn't really matter, since 95% of all content available at 1080p runs at 30fps anyway.
I have a 56" 1080p set and I can't tell the difference when I'm feeding a 1080p signal or 1080i signal. I do notice a major difference in the actual display however (I have an older 57" 1080i set as well). ramey70
becuase your tv will basically use an internal line double to convert the image to 1080p
[QUOTE="XboxUnderground"]TC, I don't understand your point here nothing
I have a 56" 1080p set and I can't tell the difference when I'm feeding a 1080p signal or 1080i signal. I do notice a major difference in the actual display however (I have an older 57" 1080i set as well). ramey70
becuase your tv will basically use an internal line double to convert the image to 1080p Line doubler.....? :| It's called deinterlacing. No lines are doubled.
[QUOTE="HuusAsking"][QUOTE="GloverD"][QUOTE="Prid3r"][QUOTE="ramey70"]Scale? The resoultion of 1080i and 1080p is the same. However one is interlaced and one is progressive. They are not the same in that since and there is a significant difference as far as display goes. As far as signal, eh not so much.magus-21
other then the way the picture is brought to the screen ( interlace , Progressive ) , everything is the same about the 2 resolution . Umm No... Interlace it scans every other line... Progressive scans everyline.. So 1080p gives better resolution...More specifically, in the time a 1080i signal transmits the data from half the screen, a 1080p signal transmits the entire screen. WRONG. What you say is only true IF you have a video source that sends out brand-new frames 60 times per second (i.e. at 60fps). HOWEVER, the VAST majority of 1080p content does NOT refresh at 60fps. All television content is hard-locked at 30fps, and all film content is hard-locked at 24fps. And there will only be a handful of games at 1080p 60fps. At 30fps and 24fps, 1080p is NO BETTER THAN 1080i in terms of the amount of USABLE VIDEO DATA delivered, because both only deliver 24 or 30 frames per second, depending on the source content. In fact, at 30fps, 1080p is half as efficient as 1080i because 1080p sends every complete frame twice in order to keep up with the 60Hz signal, whereas 1080i just sends the complete frame once and lets the target device handle the deinterlacing.Mentioning 1080p assumes 1080p60. Otherwise, it isn't worth arguing. Now, suppose you have a genuine 1080p60 source (such as a special BluRay disc or a properly-supported 1080p60 game), what then?
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