Why do people say John Wall is overrated?

When he plays for one of the worst teams in the NBA, yet he puts up 15 points and 9 assists a night. And had a triple double already. :/

When he plays for one of the worst teams in the NBA, yet he puts up 15 points and 9 assists a night. And had a triple double already. :/

Snakemaster9

1. He won't be Rookie of the year (That's only be because Blake Griffin is having the best Rookie season I have personally ever seen)

2. He came into the NBA with unreal, franchise changing talent yet the Wizards still suck (He has the talent and franchise changing ability, but he's a point guard which by default means he won't be able to single-handedly change a franchise without surrounding pieces)

3. They don't watch him play.

Those are the only 3 reasons they I could come up with. Correct me if I forgot something.

Historically, his Rookie year stats are similar to CP3's, D-Rose, etc. and better then D-William's. He really has to learn how to limit his TOs. Magic averaged 4 TOs a game his rookie year, and CP3 averaged a high amount as well, both learned to limit their TOs. Currently, John Wall's Assist/TO ration is about 2:1, that's fine for a rookie PG, but you can not be thought of as Elite with that. Elite Point Guards manage a 3:1 or in CP3's case 4:1 Assist:TO ratio.

I'm also pissed at the lack of recognition Wall gets for his rookie season. I've done a little research and he's only the second rookie to average 15, 8 and 1.5 steals in his first season (Phil Ford was the only other one). He doesn't have great shooting percentages and he turns the ball a few times, so that works against him, but his team is so crappy I can't put all the blame on him.

I don't think he's overrated, if anything he's getting underrated because of Blake Griffin, and he plays a much, much tougher position (PG) than Blake (PF).

Foreal.

I mean, 1 game he got that triple double, with 6 steals and only 1 TO.

Hes the only rookie besides Magic Johnson to do that in the first 6 games. He got a triple double , 6 games into his NBA career.....

He's a horrendous defender and one dimensional offensively.

Also, his team is insignificant.

It's because out of the 3 major sports in the US basketball is a game that can be won with only one good player. In the NFL and MLB you can't do that, there's too many positions that need to be at least adequate. In the NBA take a bunch of scrubs and add a premier player and you have a playoff team (especially in the East)

The point guard is the most important position in the sport right now and Wall was amazing in college and it sets up high expectations.

It's fair to call him overrated because he is, he hasn't made that team his and that's what any top tier rookie should do.

On the other hand it's not like he's terribly overrated, he should be doing better. He shouldn't be turning the ball over so much and he should be able to close out games better then he's been doing by being the focal point of offense and defense in the 4th quarter.

I expect him to be better because he's shown that he can do all that he needs to at various points of the season, the reason he's overrated is because he hasn't been able to put it all together for long stretches of the season

It's fair to call him overrated because he is, he hasn't made that team his and that's what any top tier rookie should do.

On the other hand it's not like he's terribly overrated, he should be doing better. He shouldn't be turning the ball over so much and he should be able to close out games better then he's been doing by being the focal point of offense and defense in the 4th quarter.Jaysonguy

Point Guards aren't like Shooting Guards or Forwards, they can't really single-handedly win a game night in and night out without surrounding pieces that support them. Most Rookie point guards have Turn over problems, as I stated earlier Magic averaged 4 per game, and CP3 (who now averages like 1) averaged about the same. Point Guards rarely come in an dominate like a Forward does (think LeBron and Griffin) because their main job is to run the entire offense, something that is difficult for most rookies. His defense isn't very good though :/

[QUOTE="Jaysonguy"]It's fair to call him overrated because he is, he hasn't made that team his and that's what any top tier rookie should do.

On the other hand it's not like he's terribly overrated, he should be doing better. He shouldn't be turning the ball over so much and he should be able to close out games better then he's been doing by being the focal point of offense and defense in the 4th quarter.No_Hablo_Ingles

Point Guards aren't like Shooting Guards or Forwards, they can't really single-handedly win a game night in and night out without surrounding pieces that support them. Most Rookie point guards have Turn over problems, as I stated earlier Magic averaged 4 per game, and CP3 (who now averages like 1) averaged about the same. Point Guards rarely come in an dominate like a Forward does (think LeBron and Griffin) because their main job is to run the entire offense, something that is difficult for most rookies. His defense isn't very good though :/

I know what you mean, Wall can make the passes and then literally the ball is out of his hands and whatever happens happens.

I think where I see Wall not "living up" in some areas is because we've seen flashes at various points of the season yet it's never been consistent. He CAN defend but for whatever reason it's not able to click for an entire game or even a half, that's the sort of thing that brings in criticism.

With the turnovers I could forgive that if the defense was better. If you give the other team another possession but you also take a possession away with your D you're fine in my book as a young player and if you're not going all out on D then you can gather yourself and make smarter plays on offense.

I really think that he's on schedule to be a very good player, it's just that he has turnovers PLUS no D that draws the most criticism, if he had just one of those I think no one would give him any flak

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When he plays for one of the worst teams in the NBA, yet he puts up 15 points and 9 assists a night. And had a triple double already. :/

No_Hablo_Ingles

1. He won't be Rookie of the year (That's only be because Blake Griffin is having the best Rookie season I have personally ever seen)

2. He came into the NBA with unreal, franchise changing talent yet the Wizards still suck (He has the talent and franchise changing ability, but he's a point guard which by default means he won't be able to single-handedly change a franchise without surrounding pieces)

3. They don't watch him play.

Those are the only 3 reasons they I could come up with. Correct me if I forgot something.

Historically, his Rookie year stats are similar to CP3's, D-Rose, etc. and better then D-William's. He really has to learn how to limit his TOs. Magic averaged 4 TOs a game his rookie year, and CP3 averaged a high amount as well, both learned to limit their TOs. Currently, John Wall's Assist/TO ration is about 2:1, that's fine for a rookie PG, but you can not be thought of as Elite with that. Elite Point Guards manage a 3:1 or in CP3's case 4:1 Assist:TO ratio.

Blake griffin didnt have the best rookie season every Allen iverson had the best rookie season he **** on mj on his rookie season

louisfoxton

Seeing as Iverson was drafted when I was... 4 maybe 3, I never got to see his Rookie year thus he is not included and my statement stands.

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When he plays for one of the worst teams in the NBA, yet he puts up 15 points and 9 assists a night. And had a triple double already. :/

louisfoxton

1. He won't be Rookie of the year (That's only be because Blake Griffin is having the best Rookie season I have personally ever seen)

2. He came into the NBA with unreal, franchise changing talent yet the Wizards still suck (He has the talent and franchise changing ability, but he's a point guard which by default means he won't be able to single-handedly change a franchise without surrounding pieces)

3. They don't watch him play.

Those are the only 3 reasons they I could come up with. Correct me if I forgot something.

Historically, his Rookie year stats are similar to CP3's, D-Rose, etc. and better then D-William's. He really has to learn how to limit his TOs. Magic averaged 4 TOs a game his rookie year, and CP3 averaged a high amount as well, both learned to limit their TOs. Currently, John Wall's Assist/TO ration is about 2:1, that's fine for a rookie PG, but you can not be thought of as Elite with that. Elite Point Guards manage a 3:1 or in CP3's case 4:1 Assist:TO ratio.