How to change Baseball and make it a better game

I have come up with the solution on how to make Baseball a better game for more teams and the entire league including the fan base. Its a very simple strategy and it will work. Let the Yankees win the world series for the next 10 years or so and have all the other teams throw in the towel when they play the Yankees. This way the Yankees will get tired of winning and realize that they are ruining baseball with what they are doing by having 75% of their team be an all star team. Its not right having their team being paid 2 or 3 times as much as other teams. And in some cases I have head that specific players on the Yankees make more money than other mlb teams.

Rebuttal: there's no such thing as a poor owner.

The problem isn't that the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angels, etc. spend a lot. The real problem is that the Pirates, Marlins, etc. spend so little.

Fun fact: the franchise with the highest income in 2008 was the Florida Marlins. Others cracking the top 10 include low spending Nationals, Rays, Twins, and Athletics. The Yankees were second to last.

Rebuttal: there's no such thing as a poor owner.

The problem isn't that the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angels, etc. spend a lot. The real problem is that the Pirates, Marlins, etc. spend so little.

Fun fact: the franchise with the highest income in 2008 was the Florida Marlins. Others cracking the top 10 include low spending Nationals, Rays, Twins, and Athletics. The Yankees were second to last.

Oleg_Huzwog

Here are the 2007 income numbers. Top earners include the Nationals, Marlins, Rays, Indians, Rockies, Twins, and Padres. Yankees are last on the list.

...and here's 2006. Top earners include the Marlins, Pirates, Indians, Rockies, and Brewers. Yankees are again last on the list.

Yankees operating income is in the negative becuz they pay their players so much that they can't make that money back off ticket sales and all the other things that bring in profit at ball games. As for the Detroit Tigers really being in the negative should come as no surprise seeing as their isn't a worse place to be in the US economy than Detroit.

Rebuttal: there's no such thing as a poor owner.

The problem isn't that the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angels, etc. spend a lot. The real problem is that the Pirates, Marlins, etc. spend so little.

Fun fact: the franchise with the highest income in 2008 was the Florida Marlins. Others cracking the top 10 include low spending Nationals, Rays, Twins, and Athletics. The Yankees were second to last.

Oleg_Huzwog

That may very well be true that there is no such thing as a poor owner but that doesn't mean the amounts of money that these owner possess is similar. In other words Yankees owner is a billionaire and most other teams just have owners with a couple million. Therefore the less money you possess the less likely you are to spend without any worries.

The Yankees have the kind of owner where money is no object but that doesn't mean that becuz he possesses that much money that it reflects his intellect.

Yankees operating income is in the negative becuz they pay their players so much...Sonwhy

Well, yeah. That's the point. Their ownership says **** the price, let's win. EVERY team has owners who can afford to do the exact same thing.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]Yankees operating income is in the negative becuz they pay their players so much...Oleg_Huzwog

Well, yeah. That's the point. Their ownership says **** the price, let's win. EVERY team has owners who can afford to do the exact same thing.

Do you know that for a fact (in other words how much money ever owner has)? And even if the owners do have that kind of money it doesn't mean that they care that much to the point that they are willing to run a business that doesn't make money so that away their team can win.

Most of these owners run a business to make money. I happen to think that the Yankees owner is by far one of the wealthiest owners in the entire MLB, if you can prove that he isn't than I would be that much more likely to agree with what your saying.

That is simply operating income, which is total income from day-to-day operations (i.e., ticket sales, concessions). To view the top earners of the year, you're going to want to click on revenues, which tallies everything including sponsorship deals and other non-daily revenues as well. This list will more accurately reflect the status of the league. The Yankees' payroll in 2009 was 201,449,189 according to MLBcontracts. This is more than almost 80% of the other teams in the MLB earned.

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[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]Yankees operating income is in the negative becuz they pay their players so much...Sonwhy

Well, yeah. That's the point. Their ownership says **** the price, let's win. EVERY team has owners who can afford to do the exact same thing.

Do you know that for a fact (in other words how much money ever owner has)? And even if the owners do have that kind of money it doesn't mean that they care that much to the point that they are willing to run a business that doesn't make money so that away their team can win.

Most of these owners run a business to make money. I happen to think that the Yankees owner is by far one of the wealthiest owners in the entire MLB, if you can prove that he isn't than I would be that much more likely to agree with what your saying.

From this, you don't get a complete list. But at the very least, you'd have to acknowledge that no, the Yankees are not head and shoulders above the rest in terms of owner wealth.

Lerner - Nationals - $3.2 billion
Malone - Braves - $1.5 billion
McLane - Astros - $1.4 billion
Illitch - Tigers - $1.4 billion
Steinbrenner - Yankees - $1.3 billion
Zell - Cubs - $3.0 billion
Hicks - Rangers - $1.0 billion
Lindner - Reds - $1.4 billion
Fisher - Athletics - $1.2 billion
Henry - Red Sox - $1.1 billion

And this list doesn't even mention the Pohlads - the most infamous pennypinchers in all of sports.

That is simply operating income, which is total income from day-to-day operations (i.e., ticket sales, concessions). To view the top earners of the year, you're going to want to click on revenues, which tallies everything including sponsorship deals and other non-daily revenues as well. This list will more accurately reflect the status of the league. The Yankees' payroll in 2009 was 201,449,189 according to MLBcontracts. This is more than almost 80% of the other teams in the MLB earned.

Zamboni0721

No, I purposefully chose income to highlight how much more money clubs like Florida could be spending. The Marlins could double payroll and still be turning a profit. While this obviously wouldn't put them at the same payroll level as the Yankees, Red Sox, etc... it would put them in the company of teams like the Giants and Cardinals.

this is some new concept?

The Yankees have been dominating since the 1920s - baseball has expanded several times and they are still on top most of the time.

like everyone else has for the last 90 seasons.:

Just keep hoping that your fave team wins in the years that the Damn Yankess don't.

Rebuttal: there's no such thing as a poor owner.

The problem isn't that the Yankees, Red Sox, Mets, Angels, etc. spend a lot. The real problem is that the Pirates, Marlins, etc. spend so little.

Fun fact: the franchise with the highest income in 2008 was the Florida Marlins. Others cracking the top 10 include low spending Nationals, Rays, Twins, and Athletics. The Yankees were second to last.

Thats operating income.MoonMarvel

Yes, and...?

Did I not state 'income', rather than 'revenue'?

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Thats operating income.Oleg_Huzwog

Yes, and...?

Did I not state 'income', rather than 'revenue'?

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]Thats operating income.MoonMarvel

Yes, and...?

Did I not state 'income', rather than 'revenue'?

Operating revenue minus operating expenses, before tax.

Still not following the point you're trying to make.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Yes, and...?

Did I not state 'income', rather than 'revenue'?

Operating revenue minus operating expenses, before tax.

Still not following the point you're trying to make.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]You do know what operating income is dont you?MoonMarvel

Operating revenue minus operating expenses, before tax.

Still not following the point you're trying to make.

Apparently I am. Enlighten me.

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"][QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Operating revenue minus operating expenses, before tax.

Still not following the point you're trying to make.

Oleg_Huzwog

Apparently I am. Enlighten me.

http://www.investorwords.com/3460/operating_income.html

You tell me.

[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

[QUOTE="MoonMarvel"]You're missing something.MoonMarvel

Apparently I am. Enlighten me.

http://www.investorwords.com/3460/operating_income.html

You tell me.

Okay, I'm missing interest. Which then brings us back to me still not following the point you are trying to make. Are you implying teams like Florida pay absurdly large sums of interest that negate their ability to dip into their ample profits? Or was this exchange over nothing but semantics?

make it quicker and a salary cap.Tjeremiah1988

The MLBPA would fight tooth and nail against a salary cap, even setting up strikes, so you can forget that idea. The problem is that there are too man owners who aren't putting enough effort in to win and are focusing on making money. Yes, the MLB is a business as much as a sport, but these penny pinching owners make their teams essentially meaningless for the most part, providing a poorer experience for the fans and hurting the sport. Example A being the Marlins, a team that competes fiercely considering their $40,000,000 pay roll. If they had $80,000,000 they would be serious contenders for the NL title, even against the Phillies.

Salary cap i think is what you're getting at. [QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]make it quicker and a salary cap.X360PS3AMD05

Whatever gives you that notion...and even so...

How are you gonna stop them?

Until I got tired of it the last couple seasons I umpired Little League and Pony League for 20 years.

(just to indicate I know the rules of the game)

I have had more parents than I can count yell at me to call a strike on a kid that steps out of the box.

There was never a rule against that anymore than "stepping in the bucket" or "holding the bat cross-handed" is against the rules.

It was not the kids that got to me it was the cursing obnoxious parents that gave me a pain. Also some of the managers-coaches are abusive. If they are that way to the officials how much fun can the children on their team be having? Besides I no longer have any players to coach or watch - the youngest I am related to at all is off to college in another year except for a girl who plays with dolls instead of balls. So I am not going through the abuse for someone elses children.

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]Salary cap i think is what you're getting at. [QUOTE="Tjeremiah1988"]make it quicker and a salary cap.iowastate

Whatever gives you that notion...and even so...

How are you gonna stop them?

Until I got tired of it the last couple seasons I umpired Little League and Pony League for 20 years.

(just to indicate I know the rules of the game)

I have had more parents than I can count yell at me to call a strike on a kid that steps out of the box.

There was never a rule against that anymore than "stepping in the bucket" or "holding the bat cross-handed" is against the rules.

It was not the kids that got to me it was the cursing obnoxious parents that gave me a pain. Also some of the managers-coaches are abusive. If they are that way to the officials how much fun can the children on their team be having? Besides I no longer have any players to coach or watch - the youngest I am related to at all is off to college in another year except for a girl who plays with dolls instead of balls. So I am not going through the abuse for someone elses children.

If you're gonna intentionally walk a batter, just have him automatically go to first base instead of wasting my timehaving the pitcher lob the ball to the catcher 4 times.And also, forcebatters to stay in the box instead of taking long walks to adjust themselves. :)

I only have one silly suggestion to make it higher scoring. But this is only for that reason. This will not make the game better. (Just probably more appealing to those who like scoring in sports) If players are left on base after their half of the inning is over. The next inning they return to the base they were left on and start the 0 outs from their. Pitchers Am Cry.

To add on to this sillyness. If their's 2 outs and their is a possibility of a double or triple play, succession of a double/triple play will carry outs onto the next inning.

:lol:

If you're gonna intentionally walk a batter, just have him automatically go to first base instead of wasting my timehaving the pitcher lob the ball to the catcher 4 times.And also, forcebatters to stay in the box instead of taking long walks to adjust themselves. :)

feryl06

[QUOTE="Zamboni0721"]

That is simply operating income, which is total income from day-to-day operations (i.e., ticket sales, concessions). To view the top earners of the year, you're going to want to click on revenues, which tallies everything including sponsorship deals and other non-daily revenues as well. This list will more accurately reflect the status of the league. The Yankees' payroll in 2009 was 201,449,189 according to MLBcontracts. This is more than almost 80% of the other teams in the MLB earned.

Oleg_Huzwog

No, I purposefully chose income to highlight how much more money clubs like Florida could be spending. The Marlins could double payroll and still be turning a profit. While this obviously wouldn't put them at the same payroll level as the Yankees, Red Sox, etc... it would put them in the company of teams like the Giants and Cardinals.

I recall Steinbrenner saying himself that their TV network makes more money from televising Yankee's games than they do day to day operations at the ballpark.

Get rid of the DH, make the pitcher hit. That's what I'd change. CleanPlayer

If you're gonna intentionally walk a batter, just have him automatically go to first base instead of wasting my timehaving the pitcher lob the ball to the catcher 4 times.And also, forcebatters to stay in the box instead of taking long walks to adjust themselves. :)

feryl06

Screw pitchers batting. Most of them can't even hit a beach ball. Allowing the auto out in the American League would be a terrible idea, not to mention make it less exciting.

I have come up with the solution on how to make Baseball a better game for more teams and the entire league including the fan base. Its a very simple strategy and it will work. Let the Yankees win the world series for the next 10 years or so and have all the other teams throw in the towel when they play the Yankees. This way the Yankees will get tired of winning and realize that they are ruining baseball with what they are doing by having 75% of their team be an all star team. Its not right having their team being paid 2 or 3 times as much as other teams. And in some cases I have head that specific players on the Yankees make more money than other mlb teams.

Sonwhy

Salary Cap, but we will never see this happen in our lifetime unless people stop going to games and TV ratings go in the toilet.

DH or pitchers hit, wish MLB would choose one or the other.

No hitters stepping out of the box or pitchers stepping off the mound during play unless injury TO, umps maybe call ball or strike depending on what happens.

All Star game no longer affecting anything for world series, it's just an exhibition game that means nothing.

Reduce the number of games in a season or start earlier so the play-offs/world series aren't postponed due to snowstorms.:P

Reduce the amount of commercial breaks in a game by no break in-between innings.

No intentional walks, catcher will not be allowed out of the catching position during play, no standing up before the pitch is even made.

Salary Cap, but we will never see this happen in our lifetime unless people stop going to games and TV ratings go in the toilet.

DH or pitchers hit, wish MLB would choose one or the other.

No hitters stepping out of the box or pitchers stepping off the mound during play unless injury TO, umps maybe call ball or strike depending on what happens.

All Star game no longer affecting anything for world series, it's just an exhibition game that means nothing.

Reduce the number of games in a season or start earlier so the play-offs/world series aren't postponed due to snowstorms.:P

Reduce the amount of commercial breaks in a game by no break in-between innings.

No intentional walks, catcher will not be allowed out of the catching position during play, no standing up before the pitch is even made.

Blkthorne

[QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Get rid of the DH, make the pitcher hit. That's what I'd change. duxup

[QUOTE="Blkthorne"]

Salary Cap, but we will never see this happen in our lifetime unless people stop going to games and TV ratings go in the toilet.

DH or pitchers hit, wish MLB would choose one or the other.

No hitters stepping out of the box or pitchers stepping off the mound during play unless injury TO, umps maybe call ball or strike depending on what happens.

All Star game no longer affecting anything for world series, it's just an exhibition game that means nothing.

Reduce the number of games in a season or start earlier so the play-offs/world series aren't postponed due to snowstorms.:P

Reduce the amount of commercial breaks in a game by no break in-between innings.

No intentional walks, catcher will not be allowed out of the catching position during play, no standing up before the pitch is even made.

metswonin69

NFL has revenue sharing and salary cap both can't see why MLB couldn't do it too. Not saying get rid of commercials completely, just cut 2-3 minutes off for each inning and you save 18-27 minutes a game, teams could make up for the loss of money with merchandise/ticket prices/higher commercial fees, can't tell me there is no way to offset the lose, they already have $50 hotdogs what is $1 more? Do pitchers really need 20-25 warm-up pitches between innings?? Thought managers were always worried about pitch counts, no wonder pitchers blow out their arms so much. Finally for the intentional walk deal, yeah pitchers could just throw outside but then that might lead to more wild pitches.I don't have anything against pitch-outs, but you don't see catchers standing before the pitch is even made otherwise the runners would know there was a pitch-out coming.

[QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

I have come up with the solution on how to make Baseball a better game for more teams and the entire league including the fan base. Its a very simple strategy and it will work. Let the Yankees win the world series for the next 10 years or so and have all the other teams throw in the towel when they play the Yankees. This way the Yankees will get tired of winning and realize that they are ruining baseball with what they are doing by having 75% of their team be an all star team. Its not right having their team being paid 2 or 3 times as much as other teams. And in some cases I have head that specific players on the Yankees make more money than other mlb teams.

metswonin69

[QUOTE="metswonin69"][QUOTE="Sonwhy"]

I have come up with the solution on how to make Baseball a better game for more teams and the entire league including the fan base. Its a very simple strategy and it will work. Let the Yankees win the world series for the next 10 years or so and have all the other teams throw in the towel when they play the Yankees. This way the Yankees will get tired of winning and realize that they are ruining baseball with what they are doing by having 75% of their team be an all star team. Its not right having their team being paid 2 or 3 times as much as other teams. And in some cases I have head that specific players on the Yankees make more money than other mlb teams.

DA_B0MB

You do realize that in the past 22 World Series only twice has the team with the best record in baseball ended up winning?

A lot of us dislike the DH but the rules have changed a few times over the years when the owners voted to make alter them.

Nothing we can do about it. And yes the game went faster at one time but that was because they played them without putting around and wasting time.

ALSO they hardly ever used relief pitchers and just got out and threw the damn ball and did not all act like prima donasl.

Now that they are over paid and pampered and the managers are not longer in charge.

Back in those days the players did not have control of the teams - - even the stars wanted to play long enough to save enough money so they could afford to buy a farm on which to retire.....now they are do damn rich they can buy a small city during their first season so where is the incentive to play their best

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Get rid of the DH, make the pitcher hit. That's what I'd change. CleanPlayer

A lot of us dislike the DH but the rules have changed a few times over the years when the owners voted to make alter them.

Nothing we can do about it. And yes the game went faster at one time but that was because they played them without putting around and wasting time.

ALSO they hardly ever used relief pitchers and just got out and threw the damn ball and did not all act like prima donasl.

Now that they are over paid and pampered and the managers are not longer in charge.

Back in those days the players did not have control of the teams - - even the stars wanted to play long enough to save enough money so they could afford to buy a farm on which to retire.....now they are do damn rich they can buy a small city during their first season so where is the incentive to play their best

iowastate

[QUOTE="duxup"][QUOTE="CleanPlayer"]Get rid of the DH, make the pitcher hit. That's what I'd change. CleanPlayer

[QUOTE="iowastate"]

A lot of us dislike the DH but the rules have changed a few times over the years when the owners voted to make alter them.

Nothing we can do about it. And yes the game went faster at one time but that was because they played them without putting around and wasting time.

ALSO they hardly ever used relief pitchers and just got out and threw the damn ball and did not all act like prima donasl.

Now that they are over paid and pampered and the managers are not longer in charge.

Back in those days the players did not have control of the teams - - even the stars wanted to play long enough to save enough money so they could afford to buy a farm on which to retire.....now they are do damn rich they can buy a small city during their first season so where is the incentive to play their best

metswonin69