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he had good receivers I'll agree but this Raiders O-line is better and we have a better RB (McFadden) then any RB he's had in Cincy. teams are going to respect the run more which won't make him feel like he has to try and do it all force up passes he doesn't need to like he did in Cincyandyboiii
Cincy had 2 pro bowl WR's, 3 good RB's (2 pro bowlers), a pro bowl QB, and an o-line that got all those players to the pro bowl :?
You guys have McFadden, but he is just not that important in this NFL b/c RB's are not that important.
-if you think I am mistaken, please find the last great RB to lead a team to a super bowl...it has been a long, long time
The fact is that Palmer is just not that good after major leg and arm injuries.
Cause we didn't. QB is the most important position on the field. Palmer already knows the system, has a big arm, is smart, and works hard. What else could you want in a QB? If the raiders had some huge glaring holes to fill I would be pissed. But the team is young and skilled at every single position on the field. Our only weakness as of right now is QB. Doing anything we can to get one the knows the system and is willing to work hard is a great move. Again I point back to the Seymour trade, he completely changed the mindset of that Dline and now it's one of the best in the NFL. You can go back even farther, Rich Gannon was suppose to be a stupid trade 2 time mvp, trading for an old rice a stupid trade took us to 3 afc championship games. Trading for an old rod woodson, ronnie lott, plunkett ect. Laugh while you can, Carson is going to do big things in Oakland.i5750at4GhzYou over paid for Palmer, that isn't even debatable. Rationalize however you wish. Oakland will win 2-4 more games this year
Not a fair trade, but Oakland had to do it. What happens to Campbell now?monkeytoes61He only has one year on the contract, we most likely IR him and then don't pick him up again.
People need to learn the difference between fair trades and trades teams NEED to make. Of course this isn't fair value. But what are they supposed to do, roll with Boller or Garrard? No, they needed a QB. Yeah, the price is way too steep, but they really didn't have a choice. In case nobody noticed, Palmer had a solid year in 2010, and is coming to a great situation where they have a great running game and some weapons. I like this trade from both teams' perspectives.
[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Cause we didn't. QB is the most important position on the field. Palmer already knows the system, has a big arm, is smart, and works hard. What else could you want in a QB? If the raiders had some huge glaring holes to fill I would be pissed. But the team is young and skilled at every single position on the field. Our only weakness as of right now is QB. Doing anything we can to get one the knows the system and is willing to work hard is a great move. Again I point back to the Seymour trade, he completely changed the mindset of that Dline and now it's one of the best in the NFL. You can go back even farther, Rich Gannon was suppose to be a stupid trade 2 time mvp, trading for an old rice a stupid trade took us to 3 afc championship games. Trading for an old rod woodson, ronnie lott, plunkett ect. Laugh while you can, Carson is going to do big things in Oakland.No_Hablo_InglesYou over paid for Palmer, that isn't even debatable. Rationalize however you wish. Oakland will win 2-4 more games this year I disagree. Would love to here your rebuttal. 2-4 more games my butt. KC = 2 easy wins Denver = win Chargers = 2 wins MIN = win MIA = win Thats 7 easy wins right there, even if we drop 2 of those we still make the playoffs.
No clue. When was the last time a division has ever been so weak as the AFC west. .i5750at4GhzBasically every year in the NFC West...
[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] No clue. When was the last time a division has ever been so weak as the AFC west. .No_Hablo_InglesBasically every year in the NFC West... LOL too true, but they don't have a team to take advantage of that fact. Well maybe the 49ers now.
[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Raider fans can't be so delusional to think this was a good trade... or at the very least, that they didn't give up too muchi5750at4GhzCause we didn't. QB is the most important position on the field. Palmer already knows the system, has a big arm, is smart, and works hard. What else could you want in a QB? If the raiders had some huge glaring holes to fill I would be pissed. But the team is young and skilled at every single position on the field. Our only weakness as of right now is QB. Doing anything we can to get one the knows the system and is willing to work hard is a great move. Again I point back to the Seymour trade, he completely changed the mindset of that Dline and now it's one of the best in the NFL. You can go back even farther, Rich Gannon was suppose to be a stupid trade 2 time mvp, trading for an old rice a stupid trade took us to 3 afc championship games. Trading for an old rod woodson, ronnie lott, plunkett ect. Laugh while you can, Carson is going to do big things in Oakland. Ok, but now Jason is as good as gone after this season and you wasted that trade. Teams won't offer much for him either. Why not try the season with what they had and then use those pics to get one of the good QBs coming in next year's draft?
[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Cause we didn't. QB is the most important position on the field. Palmer already knows the system, has a big arm, is smart, and works hard. What else could you want in a QB? If the raiders had some huge glaring holes to fill I would be pissed. But the team is young and skilled at every single position on the field. Our only weakness as of right now is QB. Doing anything we can to get one the knows the system and is willing to work hard is a great move. Again I point back to the Seymour trade, he completely changed the mindset of that Dline and now it's one of the best in the NFL. You can go back even farther, Rich Gannon was suppose to be a stupid trade 2 time mvp, trading for an old rice a stupid trade took us to 3 afc championship games. Trading for an old rod woodson, ronnie lott, plunkett ect. Laugh while you can, Carson is going to do big things in Oakland.i5750at4GhzYou over paid for Palmer, that isn't even debatable. Rationalize however you wish. Oakland will win 2-4 more games this year I disagree. Would love to here your rebuttal. 2-4 more games my butt. KC = 2 easy wins Denver = win Chargers = 2 wins MIN = win MIA = win Thats 7 easy wins right there, even if we drop 2 of those we still make the playoffs. Chargers are easy wins? lol. What is with Raider fans....
We will most likely get a 3rd and a 4th.i5750at4Ghz3rd to a 5th is a huge difference Also, you are waaaaaay off on his Nnamdi's salary this year http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/nnamdi-asomugha/ 1 million base + 9 million bonus = 10 million This versus 3 year 45 million deal with the Raiders http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-02-20/sports/17190636_1_franchise-tag-nnamdi-asomugha-raiders-uniform The formula counts salary the most + post season success...strike out on both counts So you will get a very low pick based on not signing much. That's it, sorry. Also, the Zach Miller loss would have brought you a good pick b/c of the salary jump (even though Seattle won't do anything in the Post season). BUT You guys signed Boss to a huge deal http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/zach-miller/ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/kevin-boss/ ...so sorry on that front as well (little salary difference at position + you guys have a better chance at post-season success)
[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]Raider fans can't be so delusional to think this was a good trade... or at the very least, that they didn't give up too muchChuteboxCause we didn't. QB is the most important position on the field. Palmer already knows the system, has a big arm, is smart, and works hard. What else could you want in a QB? If the raiders had some huge glaring holes to fill I would be pissed. But the team is young and skilled at every single position on the field. Our only weakness as of right now is QB. Doing anything we can to get one the knows the system and is willing to work hard is a great move. Again I point back to the Seymour trade, he completely changed the mindset of that Dline and now it's one of the best in the NFL. You can go back even farther, Rich Gannon was suppose to be a stupid trade 2 time mvp, trading for an old rice a stupid trade took us to 3 afc championship games. Trading for an old rod woodson, ronnie lott, plunkett ect. Laugh while you can, Carson is going to do big things in Oakland. Ok, but now Jason is as good as gone after this season and you wasted that trade. Teams won't offer much for him either. Why not try the season with what they had and then use those pics to get one of the good QBs coming in next year's draft? Cause we just drafted a QB....
We will most likely get a 3rd and a 4th.i5750at4Ghz3rd to a 5th is a huge difference Also, you are waaaaaay off on his Nnamdi's salary this year http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles/nnamdi-asomugha/ 1 million base + 9 million bonus = 10 million This versus 3 year 45 million deal with the Raiders http://articles.sfgate.com/2009-02-20/sports/17190636_1_franchise-tag-nnamdi-asomugha-raiders-uniform The formula counts salary the most + post season success...strike out on both counts So you will get a very low pick based on not signing much. That's it, sorry. Also, the Zach Miller loss would have brought you a good pick b/c of the salary jump (even though Seattle won't do anything in the Post season). BUT You guys signed Boss to a huge deal http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/zach-miller/ http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/kevin-boss/ ...so sorry on that front as well (little salary difference at position + you guys have a better chance at post-season success) Even still we will end up with 2 or 3 late round picks. Based on the last 5 years or so we will do just fine with those. Well maybe Al is gone none so things might not go as well without his eye for talent.
[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] Our Defense just allowed 42 yards rushing, the lowest about in 4 years, and 12 of those were by the QB. I think our Defense is starting to gel together. Better we get the kinks out now. If we go to the Playoffs (I think we will, but bias here) and make a run at the SB, that 4 game losing streak will be the think that united usrawsavonYou played the Redskins...the Redskins that benched their QB. Slow down a little on that praise Also, you guys almost let them come back and win a game they should never have been in We had this conversation a while back. I told you how unimportant DB's are in this NFL (with the rules the way they are). I am glad to see Philly just now caught on to what I was saying (Cro Mo was on the block) The eagles are severely flawed on D. Their QB is fragile. VY is the backup ...they aren't going anywhere. Though good luck paying all those corners :lol:
This is so true. The difference between an average db and an elite db has never been so small. The NFL is extremly offesive friendly right now.
You played the Redskins...the Redskins that benched their QB. Slow down a little on that praise Also, you guys almost let them come back and win a game they should never have been in We had this conversation a while back. I told you how unimportant DB's are in this NFL (with the rules the way they are). I am glad to see Philly just now caught on to what I was saying (Cro Mo was on the block) The eagles are severely flawed on D. Their QB is fragile. VY is the backup ...they aren't going anywhere. Though good luck paying all those corners :lol:[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"] Our Defense just allowed 42 yards rushing, the lowest about in 4 years, and 12 of those were by the QB. I think our Defense is starting to gel together. Better we get the kinks out now. If we go to the Playoffs (I think we will, but bias here) and make a run at the SB, that 4 game losing streak will be the think that united usi5750at4Ghz
This is so true. The difference between an average db and an elite db has never been so small. The NFL is extremly offesive friendly right now.
That's still putting it lightly...We had this conversation a while back. I told you how unimportant DB's are in this NFL (with the rules the way they are). I am glad to see Philly just now caught on to what I was saying (Cro Mo was on the block) rawsavonI heard nothing about DRC... I heard Asante, but whatever. The Eagles were listening to offers earlier this year for a cb. Them having a CB on the market has nothing to do with their struggle. [QUOTE="rawsavon"] The eagles are severely flawed on D. Their QB is fragile. VY is the backup ...they aren't going anywhere. Though good luck paying all those corners :lol: Vick hasn't missed a game this year... calling Vick, who gets hit more than any other QB, fragile is simply wrong. I'll add this to my sign when I get the chance
I really think that the cliche that you "Build your team from the inside out" is the way to go. If I was rebuilding, I would make sure my lines are good before drafting/adding toys (QBs, WRs, RBs, etc) or playmakers (CBs, safeties, etc).
Same. I don't care how good you skill players are, without the big men up front to protect them they are worthless.I really think that the cliche that you "Build your team from the inside out" is the way to go. If I was rebuilding, I would make sure my lines are good before drafting/adding toys (QBs, WRs, RBs, etc) or playmakers (CBs, safeties, etc).
monkeytoes61
add what? ...though I would be careful, they will mod you for sig'ing people without permissionrawsavonDon't really care... at worse, I change the username.
But yes, Vick is fragile. He only played 1 full season and missed parts of over half the games this year. He is a tiny, tiny man playing with very large men. It is not his fault. It is just physics and biology.rawsavonAre you really count the Redskins game where he got dirt in his eye and missed 2 plays? Vick has played 14-16 games basically every year as a starter. He has had 1 terrible injury against the Ravens in the Pre-Season.
So the Eagles are: 1. paying corners a ton of money in a cap league...a position that make little difference in the game compared to QB, WR, O line, D line, LB's (They have a QB, RB, WR, and a Dline. They somewhat have an Oline, but I wish it was better.) 2. their LB's are terrible and have 5 years experience...total (among the starters) 3. Their O line lets their QB get killed (Not last game. They used shorter drops, hopefully that will continue) 4. their QB is fragile (hasn't missed a game yet...) 5. they have beat the winless rams and the redskins ...they are one of the most flawed teams in the NFL I will say that I find it hilarious when normal people know what to do more than those in charge of a team. And if they didn't know from intelligence, they needed only to look at the recent 'Skins 'All Star' teams to see what not to dorawsavon
As far as being flawed, I agree with you, but I'd like to get... poetic here.
I read an article a while ago that when making a story, your main character should start out with 5 or more flaws. But at the end of the story all flaws should be resolved.
They are flawed, yet they haven't been beaten badly. Their loses are all close (ATL, Giants, SF, Bills. Bold is currently leading the Division) one score games.
[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"][QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] Cause we didn't. QB is the most important position on the field. Palmer already knows the system, has a big arm, is smart, and works hard. What else could you want in a QB? If the raiders had some huge glaring holes to fill I would be pissed. But the team is young and skilled at every single position on the field. Our only weakness as of right now is QB. Doing anything we can to get one the knows the system and is willing to work hard is a great move. Again I point back to the Seymour trade, he completely changed the mindset of that Dline and now it's one of the best in the NFL. You can go back even farther, Rich Gannon was suppose to be a stupid trade 2 time mvp, trading for an old rice a stupid trade took us to 3 afc championship games. Trading for an old rod woodson, ronnie lott, plunkett ect. Laugh while you can, Carson is going to do big things in Oakland.i5750at4GhzYou over paid for Palmer, that isn't even debatable. Rationalize however you wish. Oakland will win 2-4 more games this year I disagree. Would love to here your rebuttal. 2-4 more games my butt. KC = 2 easy wins Denver = win Chargers = 2 wins MIN = win MIA = win Thats 7 easy wins right there, even if we drop 2 of those we still make the playoffs. this is just hilarious :lol: :lol: :lol:
Don't really care... at worse, I change the username. No_Hablo_Inglesdoesn't matter...take it from me (and my experiences with blurayhidef)
Are you really count the Redskins game where he got dirt in his eye and missed 2 plays? Vick has played 14-16 games basically every year as a starter. He has had 1 terrible injury against the Ravens in the Pre-Season. No_Hablo_Ingles
you mean the 'skins game where he got another concussion???
...you buying that grass in the helmet line? He looked woozy and played terrible after that. Concussion or sucked...take your pick
Vick is fragile (you need to count games where he missed parts of them as well as they affect the team just the same...see VY INT)
As far as being flawed, I agree with you, but I'd like to get... poetic here.ROFL.I read an article a while ago that when making a story, your main character should start out with 5 or more flaws. But at the end of the story all flaws should be resolved.
They are flawed, yet they haven't been beaten badly. Their loses are all close (ATL, Giants, SF, Bills. Bold is currently leading the Division) one score games.
No_Hablo_Ingles
Will use that in future sports discussion (character development...lol)
you mean the 'skins game where he got another concussion???They tested him for a concussion and he passed. After he came back in he ran for 31 yards and played decent (we owned TOP throughout the game) I count those games. The concussion he suffered against the Falcons was a freak injury, and has nothing to do with his size. His bruised hand is a different matter, he simply didn't fall down correctly. We'll see. The division is certainly not out of reach, and we have 3 straight home games coming up. 3 very winnable games
...you buying that grass in the helmet line? He looked woozy and played terrible after that. Concussion or sucked...take your pickVick is fragile (you need to count games where he missed parts of them as well as they affect the team just the same...see VY INT) ROFL.
At this point, that is all any Eagle fan can do...get 'poetic'Will use that in future sports discussion (character development...lol)
rawsavon
They tested him for a concussion and he passed. After he came back in he ran for 31 yards and played decent (we owned TOP throughout the game) I count those games. The concussion he suffered against the Falcons was a freak injury, and has nothing to do with his size. His bruised hand is a different matter, he simply didn't fall down correctly. We'll see. The division is certainly not out of reach, and we have 3 straight home games coming up. 3 very winnable games[QUOTE="rawsavon"] you mean the 'skins game where he got another concussion???
...you buying that grass in the helmet line? He looked woozy and played terrible after that. Concussion or sucked...take your pickVick is fragile (you need to count games where he missed parts of them as well as they affect the team just the same...see VY INT) ROFL.
At this point, that is all any Eagle fan can do...get 'poetic'Will use that in future sports discussion (character development...lol)
No_Hablo_Ingles
If you want to believe that (about the concussion or lack there) and could not tell by the way he was acting/playing/walking that something was wrong, then more power to you.
-keep in mind that they come easier and easier the more you get them
But you sure have given a lot of excuses ITT for ALL HIS MANY injuries
If you want to believe that (about the concussion or lack there) and could not tell by the way he was acting/playing/walking that something was wrong, then more power to you.his injuries are minor. Yes, I will believe you, some guy/girl who has no internal knowledge of the injury at all, over Andy Reid, MV7, and Joe Banner. After the 'concussion' he ran 31 yards, then went out of bounds -after he went out of bounds he kicked a ball that was set up on a tee then proceeded to apologize to the cheerleader that it almost hit. Vick after the hit 5/8 30 yards, 31 yards rushing He got hurt late in the third, and his team had the lead.
-keep in mind that they come easier and easier the more you get themBut you sure have given a lot of excuses ITT for ALL HIS MANY injuries
rawsavon
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