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#1 rawsavon
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...looks close to being done at this point.
1st round pick this year and conditional 1st next year

My take on it:
-that is waaaaay too much for an old, broken QB that is out of shape and doesn't know the system AND is owed a lot of money
-he has never been the same after the knee and arm injuries
-really only had a couple great years, rest have been okay to 'meh'

The raiders just can't help themselves

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#2 rawsavon
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Link for those interested http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7118158/oakland-raiders-verge-getting-carson-palmer-cincinnati-bengals-sources-say
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#3 ChikaraShref
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he's not even worth a single 1st round pick...
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#4 The-Apostle
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Picking him up in a couple fantasy leagues if this goes through...
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#5 rawsavon
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Picking him up in a couple fantasy leagues if this goes through...The-Apostle
you must not have much at QB
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#6 The-Apostle
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]Picking him up in a couple fantasy leagues if this goes through...rawsavon
you must not have much at QB

I need to get rid of Romo, Hasslebeck, and most of all... GROSSMAN!
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#7 The-Apostle
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Anyway, according to fantasy the deal has gone through. Too bad both him and Alex Smith are on bye this week though... Need Rodgers to pick up the slack.
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#8 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] I need to get rid of Romo

You think Palmer will have a better fantasy year the rest of the way than Romo :?
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#9 QuistisTrepe_
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I forgot the Raiders are addicted to giving up first round picks for declining thirty-somethings. Just when they were becoming a respected franchise again, too bad.:lol:

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#10 The-Apostle
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"] I need to get rid of Romo

You think Palmer will have a better fantasy year the rest of the way than Romo :?

I have him and Hasslebeck in the same league. I also have Ray Rice and LeSean McCoy in said league. Those two are the reason I'm in second.
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#11 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"][QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"] I need to get rid of Romo

You think Palmer will have a better fantasy year the rest of the way than Romo :?

I have him and Hasslebeck in the same league. I also have Ray Rice and LeSean McCoy in said league. Those two are the reason I'm in second.

So you think Romo -with the Cowboys weak schedule -with Austin, Bryant, Witten -getting healthier WILL BE WORSE THAN Palmer -off the street -out of shape -new team -mid season -less weapons -not a very good QB post injuries...sucked with TJ 'whoseyourmamma', Ocho, and Benson ...I wish I was in your fantasy league >_>
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#12 rawsavon
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I forgot the Raiders are addicted to giving up first round picks for declining thirty-somethings. Just when they were becoming a respected franchise again, too bad.:lol:

QuistisTrepe_

Al Davis made this trade by Ouija

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Do it ****** Al Davis

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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"][QUOTE="rawsavon"] You think Palmer will have a better fantasy year the rest of the way than Romo :?

I have him and Hasslebeck in the same league. I also have Ray Rice and LeSean McCoy in said league. Those two are the reason I'm in second.

So you think Romo -with the Cowboys weak schedule -with Austin, Bryant, Witten -getting healthier WILL BE WORSE THAN Palmer -off the street -out of shape -new team -mid season -less weapons -not a very good QB post injuries...sucked with TJ 'whoseyourmamma', Ocho, and Benson ...I wish I was in your fantasy league >_>

I'm also considering picking Palmer up over Hasslebeck. >_>
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#14 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] I'm also considering picking Palmer up over Hasslebeck. >_>

I don't think he will be better than him either. Hass has been a huge surprise this year (in a good way). What was the last offensive player traded that did anything in the league that year...now add in that it is at QB + he is not very good + he has not been playing football What league are you in/send me an invite next year >_>
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"] I'm also considering picking Palmer up over Hasslebeck. >_>

I don't think he will be better than him either. Hass has been a huge surprise this year (in a good way). What was the last offensive player traded that did anything in the league that year...now add in that it is at QB + he is not very good + he has not been playing football What league are you in/send me an invite next year >_>

Okay. Would you say he's better than Grossman?
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#16 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] Okay. Would you say he's better than Grossman?

Grossman may not even play anymore/could be benched at any moment if he does. I would not start either Palmer or Grossman. But Palmer is a better bet than Grossman (unless Beck gets hurt and is out of the equation) You will know who is starting in Washington/Minnesota tomorrow Waivers go through on Thursday morning
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#17 The-Apostle
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"] Okay. Would you say he's better than Grossman?

Grossman may not even play anymore/could be benched at any moment if he does. I would not start either Palmer or Grossman. But Palmer is a better bet than Grossman (unless Beck gets hurt and is out of the equation) You will know who is starting in Washington/Minnesota tomorrow Waivers go through on Thursday morning

Meh... I'm starting Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith, who is only winning because he has Frank Gore. >_>
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#18 rawsavon
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WR's don't even do much when traded mid-season. TBH, I can't remember the last offensive player that was traded mid season and did anything of note ...now make that a QB that is out of shape and not very good post injuries You pick up who you want in your league. I am just saying that I would not pick him up unless I had 'nothing' at QB
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WR's don't even do much when traded mid-season. TBH, I can't remember the last offensive player that was traded mid season and did anything of note ...now make that a QB that is out of shape and not very good post injuries You pick up who you want in your league. I am just saying that I would not pick him up unless I had 'nothing' at QBrawsavon
I need a third QB for my Yahoo! league. I missed out on Dalton. I might consider giving Beck a shot if he starts next week. It's a gamble, but since I'd have two QBs giving him a shot would be worth it, especially since I'm not doing very well in that league.

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#20 rawsavon
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I need a third QB for my Yahoo! league.The-Apostle
do you guys play 2 qb's? if not, why do you want 3?
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#21 The-Apostle
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"] I need a third QB for my Yahoo! league.rawsavon
do you guys play 2 qb's? if not, why do you want 3?

Yes, we do. Which is why I have Rodgers, Smith and Grossman. I need one to fill in for bye weeks and Grossman has been extremely disappointing, which is why I started starting Smith, who I picked up after trading Henne.
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#22 white_sox
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[QUOTE="The-Apostle"]Picking him up in a couple fantasy leagues if this goes through...rawsavon
you must not have much at QB

Palmer was top ten in both yards and TDs last year...not exactly a slouch. He also has two emerging receivers and a beast running back. I won't say he'll set the world on fire, but he is a solid option in all formats. I'm adding him in every league.
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#24 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"][QUOTE="The-Apostle"]Picking him up in a couple fantasy leagues if this goes through...white_sox
you must not have much at QB

Palmer was top ten in both yards and TDs last year...not exactly a slouch. He also has two emerging receivers and a beast running back. I won't say he'll set the world on fire, but he is a solid option in all formats. I'm adding him in every league.

Please tell me the last offensive player to switch teams mid season and make an impact. ...also, how in shape do you think he is/how well do you think a QB will come in and play With your stats, you need to include the 3rd most picks as well (at least present a fair argument) I did not know apostle was in a 2 qb league. That means you need 20 in a 10 team league every week + everyone will have a 3rd for the bye week = pick him up But in a standard league, he would not be worth picking up IMO
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#25 Master_Live
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Raiders' stupidity never cease to amaze.
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#26 white_sox
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Please tell me the last offensive player to switch teams mid season and make an impact. ...also, how in shape do you think he is/how well do you think a QB will come in and play With your stats, you need to include the 3rd most picks as well (at least present a fair argument) I did not know apostle was in a 2 qb league. That means you need 20 in a 10 team league every week + everyone will have a 3rd for the bye week = pick him up But in a standard league, he would not be worth picking up IMOrawsavon

Carson's situation is kind of unprecedented, so there really isn't any references we have here.

I'm fairly certain Carson hasn't been drinking beer and chowing on nachos this whole time, I'd imagine he has been working out. He is a veteran, he knows the game, and the added incentive here is that he has something to prove.

INTs are hardly a factor in fantasy. Most leagues do not penalize them that hard.

I think the upside is too hard to pass up in this situation. I'm picking him up in a single QB, 12 team format. You don't think he'll be a top 25 QB after week 8 (factoring in his acclaimation to the offense, new receivers)?

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#27 Oleg_Huzwog
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The price seems a little steep, but the Raiders are in good position to make a run in the playoffs. With McFadden and the line doing their thing, it looks like they want to focus on winning now and in the near-future, rather than build for the long-term.

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#28 rawsavon
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You don't think he'll be a top 25 QB after week 8 (factoring in his acclaimation to the offense, new receivers)?

white_sox

It is not unprecedented at all.
1. A diminishing QB changing teams has happened quite a bit...and almost never ends well (Favre year with Vikes being the exception)
2. offensive players almost (I say almost only b/c you can never be 100% sure) never do anything when traded mid season...just too hard in this nfl that is all about schemes

I don't think he will be a top 20 QB by the time the fantasy playoffs roll around
...BUT even if he is top 15, what does that get you???
You can only start 1 (in what we are talking about now). If there are only 10-12 qb's starting in your league come playoff time, what good is having the 15th best QB?

I see this all the time in fantasy. People jump on players that don't help their team

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#30 IZoMBiEI
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raiders were ripped off but they were pretty desperate.

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#31 ExoticAnimal
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Raiders gave up way too much for him. So do the Raiders even have a pick in the first 4 rounds next year?
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#32 rawsavon
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The Raiders have upcoming games against Chicago, Minnesota, Green Bay, and Denver. All in the bottom third of the league in pass defense.white_sox
If you think Palmer will win you a championship then go for it man... If you think having a QB ranked 15 or worse in PPG (points per game) will be enough to get you through the playoffs...against the best teams in your league...then more power to you. Like I said though, (no matter the matchup) he will not generate enough points over 4 weeks to win it all in a league where you only start one -I would rather save that roster spot for a WR or RB that might pop given an injury He is not even worth picking up for a bye week IMO b/c he will still be trying to figure stuff out during the majority of them Though if you guys play for $, then send me an invite next year...please >_>
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#34 rawsavon
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I'd be all for doing a cash league next year, I'm not sure if we can openly talk about it on the boards or not. white_sox
oh. my bad did not know that
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#37 No_Hablo_Ingles
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They (Raiders) got ripped so hard. Bengals 2-3 years in the future may be this years Lions.
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#38 Chutebox
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[QUOTE="No_Hablo_Ingles"]They (Raiders) got ripped so hard. Bengals 2-3 years in the future may be this years Lions.

Bengals are 4-2you now lol. I still dont understand why tge raiders just didnt wait and try to trade those picks in the draft to get luck. Mind blowing stupid move.
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#39 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Bengals are 4-2you now lol. I still dont understand why tge raiders just didnt wait and try to trade those picks in the draft to get luck. Mind blowing stupid move.Chutebox
Yeah, but I don't buy into them. So far, the only good win they have were the Bills (not negating the win or anything, but bad teams can beat better teams from time to time). Other than that, they beat the Colts, Browns, and Jags - which combine for 3-14 record.
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#40 andyboiii
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I don't like giving up 2 first round picks but hey I'll take Palmer over Boller any day. Campbell was playing average and the Raiders were still winning so I can't wait to see what he can do for us in Oakland. He's always played behind a crappy team in Cincy and now that he actually has a good running attack he'll be even better
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#41 rawsavon
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I don't like giving up 2 first round picks but hey I'll take Palmer over Boller any day. Campbell was playing average and the Raiders were still winning so I can't wait to see what he can do for us in Oakland. He's always played behind a crappy team in Cincy and now that he actually has a good running attack he'll be even betterandyboiii
he had 2 probowl receivers and 3 good rb's in Cincy :? ...not the Patriots level of quality by any means, but nothing terrible on offense either around him
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#42 i5750at4Ghz
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People said the same thing about richard when we gave a 1st for him. Good trade imo. The raiders draft extremely well in the later rounds, I don't see us missing anything.
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#43 rawsavon
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People said the same thing about richard when we gave a 1st for him. Good trade imo. The raiders draft extremely well in the later rounds, I don't see us missing anything.i5750at4Ghz
Guess how many draft picks they have in 2012?
2...a 5th and a 6th

Edit:
They needed to use that first in 2012 to trade down to get more later picks

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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"]People said the same thing about richard when we gave a 1st for him. Good trade imo. The raiders draft extremely well in the later rounds, I don't see us missing anything.rawsavon
Guess how many draft picks they have in 2012? 2...a 5th and a 6th

You forget about the picks we are going to get for nnamdi and miller.
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#45 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] You forget about the picks we are going to get for nnamdi and miller.

what compensatory picks are you counting on...so then might have 4 picks in last 4-7 rounds...most likely rounds 5-7?
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#46 No_Hablo_Ingles
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Raider fans can't be so delusional to think this was a good trade... or at the very least, that they didn't give up too much
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[QUOTE="rawsavon"]he had 2 probowl receivers and 3 good rb's in Cincy :? ...not the Patriots level of quality by any means, but nothing terrible on offense either around him

he had good receivers I'll agree but this Raiders O-line is better and we have a better RB (McFadden) then any RB he's had in Cincy. teams are going to respect the run more which won't make him feel like he has to try and do it all force up passes he doesn't need to like he did in Cincy
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#48 i5750at4Ghz
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Raider fans can't be so delusional to think this was a good trade... or at the very least, that they didn't give up too muchNo_Hablo_Ingles
Cause we didn't. QB is the most important position on the field. Palmer already knows the system, has a big arm, is smart, and works hard. What else could you want in a QB? If the raiders had some huge glaring holes to fill I would be pissed. But the team is young and skilled at every single position on the field. Our only weakness as of right now is QB. Doing anything we can to get one the knows the system and is willing to work hard is a great move. Again I point back to the Seymour trade, he completely changed the mindset of that Dline and now it's one of the best in the NFL. You can go back even farther, Rich Gannon was suppose to be a stupid trade 2 time mvp, trading for an old rice a stupid trade took us to 3 afc championship games. Trading for an old rod woodson, ronnie lott, plunkett ect. Laugh while you can, Carson is going to do big things in Oakland.
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#49 i5750at4Ghz
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[QUOTE="i5750at4Ghz"] You forget about the picks we are going to get for nnamdi and miller.rawsavon
what compensatory picks are you counting on...so then might have 4 picks in last 4-7 rounds...most likely rounds 5-7?

We will most likely get a 3rd and a 4th.

Edit I forgot about Thomas Howard so add a 6th as well.

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#50 rawsavon
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[QUOTE="andyboiii"] We will most likely get a 3rd and a 4th.

...that's not how those picks work :? They are based on salary differences and playoff success to name a few of the parts. Nnamdi actually has a lower salary and might not make the playoffs. You guys are not getting a 3rd and 4th "and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player's salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League_Draft#Compensatory_picks