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#1 deactivated-5b7a4a209ddaf
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I think, when we all saw Sonic was going to be playable on Brawl, we jump out of happines. But, did his appearance altered the sales on the game? I have to say yes, after all I wanted SSBB badly because Sonic finally appeared on it, and I bought a wii to play it. Also, did you like him? A fast character with only close combat attacks? I did, indeed SuperSonic is the best Final Smash in my opinion.

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#2 Outer_Raven
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I think so too. Sonic was 1 of the best characters in Brawl, bcuz of it's fast attacks and his final smash imo.
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According to Sakurai, Sonic was the most requested fighter for Brawl. Ever since the original on the N64, people wanted Sonic in Smash Bros. When Melee came out, not long before Sonic Adventure 2 got ported to the GC and speculation arose that Sonic and Tails were in it. Of course they weren't, but rumor has it they wanted to add them but the game was too far along in development and given Luigi's Mansion wasn't the killer app for the GC Nintendo thought it would be and they needed to get Melee on the market.

But we have to remember, people love Sonic, they just hate the crappy games he gets being put into. Most were happy to have Sonic in a good console game again. Oh sure there were some haters out there who didn't think Sonic deserved a spot given he hadn't had a REALLY good game since the Dreamcast (or farther back for some) but Nintendo was aware of those fans hence why Green Hills was his stage instead of something more contemporary. Most people think of Green Hill Zone when they think of Sonic.

But as a fighter he was well balanced. Some didn't like his lack of a really powerful B attack but remember that he was the fastest character so his trick was to run around to avoid getting hit then counterattack. Not to mention his final smash was almost cheap.

And God am I sick of listening to the tweener fans complain that all of Sonic's friends were playable. If you want to play a fighting game with Sonic and his friends, go buy Sonic Battle. It's Super Smash Bros. Brawl not Sonic and his annoying friends beat the crap out of everyone! Though I will admit I was surprised that they didn't have a Shadow color scheme for Sonic's alternate costume especially given they had Dark Link, Fusion Samus, Daisy (for Peach) and not a Shadow or Silver color for Sonic.

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#4 Soniczero1993
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Shadow was already an Assist Trophy, tis why.
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#5 macrules_640
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I think Sonic worked pretty well in Brawl.
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According to Sakurai, Sonic was the most requested fighter for Brawl. Ever since the original on the N64, people wanted Sonic in Smash Bros. When Melee came out, not long before Sonic Adventure 2 got ported to the GC and speculation arose that Sonic and Tails were in it. Of course they weren't, but rumor has it they wanted to add them but the game was too far along in development and given Luigi's Mansion wasn't the killer app for the GC Nintendo thought it would be and they needed to get Melee on the market.

But we have to remember, people love Sonic, they just hate the crappy games he gets being put into. Most were happy to have Sonic in a good console game again. Oh sure there were some haters out there who didn't think Sonic deserved a spot given he hadn't had a REALLY good game since the Dreamcast (or farther back for some) but Nintendo was aware of those fans hence why Green Hills was his stage instead of something more contemporary. Most people think of Green Hill Zone when they think of Sonic.

But as a fighter he was well balanced. Some didn't like his lack of a really powerful B attack but remember that he was the fastest character so his trick was to run around to avoid getting hit then counterattack. Not to mention his final smash was almost cheap.

And God am I sick of listening to the tweener fans complain that all of Sonic's friends were playable. If you want to play a fighting game with Sonic and his friends, go buy Sonic Battle. It's Super Smash Bros. Brawl not Sonic and his annoying friends beat the crap out of everyone! Though I will admit I was surprised that they didn't have a Shadow color scheme for Sonic's alternate costume especially given they had Dark Link, Fusion Samus, Daisy (for Peach) and not a Shadow or Silver color for Sonic.

kbaily

kill me for saying this, but I would like to see Knuckles or Shadow on another super smash, heck even Amy is a better idea than Peach, she at least have the Piko Piko Hammer :P

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#7 chocolate1325
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I think he was a good character although it was hard to knock opponents of his speed gave him a good advantage and he could jump really high.
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#8 macrules_640
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His final smash was pretty awesome too which lead to having it banned in tournaments. lol
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#9 ULTRABAT
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I think it helped sales too. and he is my absolute favorite character!

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You also got to love how Sonic saved everyone in the Subspace Emissary as well.

 

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You also got to love how you saved everyone in the Subspace Emissary as well.

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I would like to see Sonic a bit more important role in the SSE, and wolf should have been supporting the Master Hand

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#12 macrules_640
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You got to remember the reason why Sonic showed up so late in the Subspace Emissary is because he's not as popular in Japan as he is here in the States and Europe hence why he did show up as late as he did.

 

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#13 Mister__Awesome
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You also got to love how Sonic saved everyone in the Subspace Emissary as well.

 

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It was epic when he came out of nowhere and hit Tabu the way he did got me yelling, "ITS SONIC!"

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And the way he put his classic pose with the finger shaking was epic as well.

 

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And the way he put his classic pose with the finger shaking was epic as well.

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except if you are one of my friends that hates when sonic shakes his finger :P

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#16 macrules_640
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I know some people hate it, but come on Sonic's been doing that since Sonic The Hedgehog.
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I know some people hate it, but come on Sonic's been doing that since Sonic The Hedgehog.macrules_640

and stopped doing it after Sonic pocket adventure :P (as far as I know)

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#18 macrules_640
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Yeah, but it gave Sonic that old school feeling to him.
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#19 -SpikyBlueHero-
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Meh. Picked up Brawl at launch, and the progress I've made in it is quite pathetic. If Sonic was easier to unlock, the game would've kept my interest far longer than it did. He was the primary reason why I bought my copy, after all.
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Meh. Picked up Brawl at launch, and the progress I've made in it is quite pathetic. If Sonic was easier to unlock, the game would've kept my interest far longer than it did. He was the primary reason why I bought my copy, after all.-SpikyBlueHero-

you can always brawl lots of time to unlock him

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#21 macrules_640
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Yeah I didn't like it either, but once I unlocked Sonic it was awesome.

 

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#22 Mister__Awesome
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Spamming the "Your too SLOW!" taunt to my friends is awesome, it annoys them constantly :P
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Spamming the "Your too SLOW!" taunt to my friends is awesome, it annoys them constantly :PMister__Awesome

You know I really hate stupid dick kids that do that. It's not funny and people tend to not want to play with someone who constantly taunts. The sames goes for Kirby and Captain Falcon players. That and people who don't want to actually have fun with the game and they always pick Final Destination with no items. What can I say? I"m one of those weirdos who bought the game to have fun.

Honestly I like playing Brawl because unlike most of you I didn't buy it for ONE character. Honestly Sega should just make Virtua Fighter vs. Sega Superstars already. Since that's really what you all want.

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Sonic was a nice addition, I just don't like how they tried to balance him. He was too fast, and he was half the time too weak, but then his Final Smash was too powerful.

However, I can say I didn't get Brawl FOR SONIC. I got it since I liked Melee and knew Brawl was even better, and I have to admit: Me + Pikachu + GameCube Controller = my best combo. :P

I hate Thunderspammers though. >_> Spammers in general are just god awfully annoying.

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I already was planning to buy it, with or without Sonic, adding sonic accelerated things though

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#26 Cloud_765
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I already was planning to buy it, with or without Sonic, adding sonic accelerated things though

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This. Sonic was more or less another reason to get the game.

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#27 kbaily
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[QUOTE="nunchuk28"]

I already was planning to buy it, with or without Sonic, adding sonic accelerated things though

Cloud_765

This. Sonic was more or less another reason to get the game.

I always dreamed of Sonic in Smash Bros. since the original came out on the N64. Hell I dreamed of Mario and Sonic in a game together since Sonic first appeared in '91.

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[QUOTE="Cloud_765"][QUOTE="nunchuk28"]

I already was planning to buy it, with or without Sonic, adding sonic accelerated things though

kbaily

This. Sonic was more or less another reason to get the game.

I always dreamed of Sonic in Smash Bros. since the original came out on the N64. Hell I dreamed of Mario and Sonic in a game together since Sonic first appeared in '91.

I didn't even existed at that time so I can't say the same

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#29 macrules_640
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I already planned on buying Brawl even before Sonic was in it.

 

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#30 koolkat14
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Man, l wish l had a wii. Sonic or no sonic, l still wish l can buy this game
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#31 macrules_640
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Well it's one of the good games for the Wii that's for sure.

 

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#32 sonicphc
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If anything, Sonic's just a different character to play as that's not a clone. He's the fastest of any character, he's got by FAR the simplest move set, and he's great at doing lots of small, rapid attacks to build up damage. Oh, and his recovery kicks ass in both height and the fact that he can STILL ATTACK after using it. Oh, and his final smash is completely ovepowered.

He's got no real way of sending people flying though, so you've got to rack up the damage much higher before the kill with Sonic than you do with other characters.

Sonic was a well balanced and varied addition, as was Snake. Thus, it was a good move. After all, you can only do so much with nintendo characters and 3 Foxes

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#33 piplup1036
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Yes I think it waz. But why waz he an unlockable charater tho?
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#34 kbaily
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Yes I think it waz. But why waz he an unlockable charater tho?piplup1036

First of all, I hate lolspeak unless it's used in cute pictures of kitties.

Secondly, I was annoyed that Nintendo poised Sonic with the regular "newcomers" on the site as well as on the back of the box but had to be unlocked. Possibly done by Nintendo to con those who were only buying the game for Snake and Sonic into having to play as one of their characters first.

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#35 Cloud_765
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He's got no real way of sending people flying though, so you've got to rack up the damage much higher before the kill with Sonic than you do with other characters.

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3 Foxes... yeah, I always wonder WHY THE HELL did they need Fox, Falco, AND Wolf... :?

But in any case, why did I quote this piece of the message? I can't get the hang of racking up too much damage as Sonic, hence why I lean toward Pikachu and Toon Link.

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#36 macrules_640
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I've used Sonic a few times and he's pretty good, but he's light and can easily be knocked out.

 

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#37 kbaily
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[QUOTE="sonicphc"]

He's got no real way of sending people flying though, so you've got to rack up the damage much higher before the kill with Sonic than you do with other characters.

Cloud_765

3 Foxes... yeah, I always wonder WHY THE HELL did they need Fox, Falco, AND Wolf... :?

But in any case, why did I quote this piece of the message? I can't get the hang of racking up too much damage as Sonic, hence why I lean toward Pikachu and Toon Link.

I think Falco stayed because fans ranted when they heard all the clones were going to be removed and there were a lot of requests for Wolf as well but what pisses me off is they had two clones of Fox (which dumbass fans will defend are not clones) and yet they couldn't put Krystal in game just to add another decent female to this sausage fest. The only females in Brawl are Samus, two princesses (one who sucks and the other who's only useful half the time), a CPU eskimo and maybe Jigglypuff. I was even hoping with Peach this time around they might have gotten ideas from Super Princess Peach and used her mood powers where she could make whirlwinds, fire and water as well as heal herself.

Krystal could've used the mystical staff from Adventures and shot ice, fire, earthquakes and summoned a dinosaur as a final Smash. See! That's original and wouldn't have made her another Fox clone. And if not her, why not any of the lovely ladies from Fire Emblem? Titana rules!

But I could complain all day about Ganondorf's CF cloned set despite having tons of Zelda game fodder to work from or wasting a slot on that ROB robot who no one would've missed.

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#38 Cloud_765
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or wasting a slot on that ROB robot who no one would've missed.kbaily

I believe the only reason R.O.B. was put in was to pay him back for helping the NES sell in toy stores back when game consoles were frowned upon so Nintendo decided to have a free R.O.B. toy with all sold NESs.

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[QUOTE="Cloud_765"][QUOTE="sonicphc"]

He's got no real way of sending people flying though, so you've got to rack up the damage much higher before the kill with Sonic than you do with other characters.

kbaily

3 Foxes... yeah, I always wonder WHY THE HELL did they need Fox, Falco, AND Wolf... :?

But in any case, why did I quote this piece of the message? I can't get the hang of racking up too much damage as Sonic, hence why I lean toward Pikachu and Toon Link.

I think Falco stayed because fans ranted when they heard all the clones were going to be removed and there were a lot of requests for Wolf as well but what pisses me off is they had two clones of Fox (which dumbass fans will defend are not clones) and yet they couldn't put Krystal in game just to add another decent female to this sausage fest. The only females in Brawl are Samus, two princesses (one who sucks and the other who's only useful half the time), a CPU eskimo and maybe Jigglypuff. I was even hoping with Peach this time around they might have gotten ideas from Super Princess Peach and used her mood powers where she could make whirlwinds, fire and water as well as heal herself.

Krystal could've used the mystical staff from Adventures and shot ice, fire, earthquakes and summoned a dinosaur as a final Smash. See! That's original and wouldn't have made her another Fox clone. And if not her, why not any of the lovely ladies from Fire Emblem? Titana rules!

But I could complain all day about Ganondorf's CF cloned set despite having tons of Zelda game fodder to work from or wasting a slot on that ROB robot who no one would've missed.

yeah, I expected Crystal in. But why so much hate to ROB? after all, he's not a clone. I already heard silly fans saying "if waluigi isnt on the next super smash (which isn't very probable to exist) I won't buy it" as if waluigi could have moves. Their rants were to invent moves like CF (at least Captain F have muscles and a franchise) or to use tennis and gold moves (add miis then, they are more popular than a jackass that looks stupid, is stupid and likes country, gosh, he borned so I hate him)

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#40 macrules_640
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Yeah I thought most of the characters in Brawl were well balanced.

 

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I don't get why people want Waluigi and Daisy in SSBB given their only purpose mostly is to be filler for the sports/party games. I mean Daisy only appeared in one actual Mario game (Super Mario Land on the GB) and she in the game already as Peach's alternate costume and I've often said "what the hell would Waluigi do anyway?" But at times, Mario fans are just as bad as Sonic fans when it comes to characters. Just because they appear in every Mario sports/party game does mean they need to be clogging up the SSBB roster when that's open to non-Mario and now third party characters. As for Miis, some wanted them as a customizeable fighter however that then renders the rest of the characters useless because everyone would rather see themselves fight. The same thing happened in Mario Kart Wii. You see a lot more Miis online than Nintendo characters and despite the ridiculously huge roster in MKWii you don't see a lot of people using Baby Daisy (waste of space).

Then again, if they ever made Sega Superstar Brawl the Sonic fans would be just as bad if Jet or Marine wasn't playable.

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I don't get why people want Waluigi and Daisy in SSBB given their only purpose mostly is to be filler for the sports/party games. I mean Daisy only appeared in one actual Mario game (Super Mario Land on the GB) and she in the game already as Peach's alternate costume and I've often said "what the hell would Waluigi do anyway?" But at times, Mario fans are just as bad as Sonic fans when it comes to characters. Just because they appear in every Mario sports/party game does mean they need to be clogging up the SSBB roster when that's open to non-Mario and now third party characters. As for Miis, some wanted them as a customizeable fighter however that then renders the rest of the characters useless because everyone would rather see themselves fight. The same thing happened in Mario Kart Wii. You see a lot more Miis online than Nintendo characters and despite the ridiculously huge roster in MKWii you don't see a lot of people using Baby Daisy (waste of space).

Then again, if they ever made Sega Superstar Brawl the Sonic fans would be just as bad if Jet or Marine wasn't playable.

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#43 macrules_640
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That's true you can't please everyone.

 

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Then again, if they ever made Sega Superstar Brawl the Sonic fans would be just as bad if Jet or Marine wasn't playable.

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wait, who could want Marine? she's just an annoying little pest, well. I suppose there is when the fans comes.

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You see a lot more Miis online than Nintendo characters and despite the ridiculously huge roster in MKWii you don't see a lot of people using Baby Daisy (waste of space).kbaily

let's just be thankful theres no fat baby wario or retarded baby waluigi on MKWii

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#46 kbaily
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[QUOTE="kbaily"]

Then again, if they ever made Sega Superstar Brawl the Sonic fans would be just as bad if Jet or Marine wasn't playable.

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wait, who could want Marine? she's just an annoying little pest, well. I suppose there is when the fans comes.

Stupiest Character suggestions I've seen for Brawl:

Leon from Starfox: yeah another Fox clone because 3 wasn't enough.

Waluigi: He debuted in a TENNIS game!

Daisy: SHE'S already Peach's alternate costume!

Shy Guy....really

Toad....being pulled out of Peach's dress wasn't good enough.

Any other F-Zero character. Never mind they had to build CF from the ground up.

Think of the lamest Pokemon ever....it's been suggested.

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[QUOTE="nunchuk28"][QUOTE="kbaily"]

Then again, if they ever made Sega Superstar Brawl the Sonic fans would be just as bad if Jet or Marine wasn't playable.

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wait, who could want Marine? she's just an annoying little pest, well. I suppose there is when the fans comes.

Think of the lamest Pokemon ever....it's been suggested.

Hmmm, meowth or Mr Mime?

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#48 macrules_640
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Dahh they just needed to add the important characters not the lame ones.

 

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#49 koolkat14
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Dahh they just needed to add the important characters not the lame ones.

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Yeah, well. Can you tell me who are the important characters macrules?

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#50 macrules_640
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Well to me the important characters would be the ones that represent Nintendo the best and their franchises.